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Help with California intestate/probate process

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sarrijuve

New member
California

I wonder if someone could help me.

So unfortunately, my Mom’s elderly brother and his son (so my uncle and cousin) both passed away in a house fire a couple of years ago. My uncles Estate was in a trust which stated that everything went to his son first and his sister (my Mom) was the contingent beneficiary.

Anyway, as far as we know, his son didn’t have a will. Or at least if he did it would have gone up in smoke. He was never married and had no children and had only named his father as the beneficiary on his life insurance policy.

My understanding is that we can claim his estate under intestate rules of succession. If I understand it correctly, as his parents are deceased and he was never married nor has any children, the next line of succession is aunties and uncles which would be my Mom. He had other aunties and uncles on his Moms side (she passed over 10 years ago) but they have all since passed away too. I know the law states the decendants of those aunties and uncles would be entitled to their share.

This is where the problem is. We have no idea who these people are or even how to contact them. My cousin was not close to that side of his family. The house burned down so any address books or contact information would have been lost.

I am asking how the California courts will deal with this sort of situation. Do we simply appoint an executor (my Mom is his next of kin so presumably she has the right) and we file the papers to claim the estate as his heir or will they expect us to undertake this lengthy and expensive process of trying to find any other heirs? Do they trust the heir or do they expect proof? My Mom’s name and address is already in my Uncles trust thankfully so we can easily prove she is his Auntie but it’s the descendants on the other side of the family that I am not sure about.

Any help would be appreciated. We of course do have a lawyer working on my Uncles estate but it’s been extremely expensive so I’m keen to avoid asking him these billable questions. I would rather be armed with the right information for when we start the process for my cousins estate.
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Are you talking about "claiming" your cousin's estate? If yes, then what is the value of the estate?
 

sarrijuve

New member
Well based on what we know from the bank and the life insurance policy, there is more than 150k so I know it will need to go through a probate.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Well based on what we know from the bank and the life insurance policy, there is more than 150k so I know it will need to go through a probate.
The estate will likely need to be probated. YOU don't get to "appoint" an administrator...that is the court's job. Yes, you need to follow all applicable laws regarding notification of creditors and various other due-diligence requirements. It's probably wise to get the attorney involved.

EDIT: Are you sure the life insurance proceeds didn't go to an alternate beneficiary?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
California

I wonder if someone could help me.

So unfortunately, my Mom’s elderly brother and his son (so my uncle and cousin) both passed away in a house fire a couple of years ago. My uncles Estate was in a trust which stated that everything went to his son first and his sister (my Mom) was the contingent beneficiary.

Anyway, as far as we know, his son didn’t have a will. Or at least if he did it would have gone up in smoke. He was never married and had no children and had only named his father as the beneficiary on his life insurance policy.

My understanding is that we can claim his estate under intestate rules of succession. If I understand it correctly, as his parents are deceased and he was never married nor has any children, the next line of succession is aunties and uncles which would be my Mom. He had other aunties and uncles on his Moms side (she passed over 10 years ago) but they have all since passed away too. I know the law states the decendants of those aunties and uncles would be entitled to their share.

This is where the problem is. We have no idea who these people are or even how to contact them. My cousin was not close to that side of his family. The house burned down so any address books or contact information would have been lost.

I am asking how the California courts will deal with this sort of situation. Do we simply appoint an executor (my Mom is his next of kin so presumably she has the right) and we file the papers to claim the estate as his heir or will they expect us to undertake this lengthy and expensive process of trying to find any other heirs? Do they trust the heir or do they expect proof? My Mom’s name and address is already in my Uncles trust thankfully so we can easily prove she is his Auntie but it’s the descendants on the other side of the family that I am not sure about.

Any help would be appreciated. We of course do have a lawyer working on my Uncles estate but it’s been extremely expensive so I’m keen to avoid asking him these billable questions. I would rather be armed with the right information for when we start the process for my cousins estate.
If your mom was the contingent beneficiary of your uncle's trust then she gets whatever is in the trust without worrying about your cousin's other relatives The trust passes outside of any estate. If you are talking about your cousin's estate not including the trust, then if there are other potential heirs you would have to track them down.
 

adjusterjack

Senior Member
We of course do have a lawyer working on my Uncles estate but it’s been extremely expensive so I’m keen to avoid asking him these billable questions.
That's foolish.

Without knowing everything about everything, nobody on the internet will be able to give you any helpful comments other than ask your lawyer.
 

Dandy Don

Senior Member
Your attorney will advise you whether a search for the other heirs is needed. If such a search is required, you can hire the services of a local genealogist, who will be able to compile a family history/search for heirs within a reasonable amount of time.
 

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