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riverat

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I live in California my daughter has resided with me for 9 yrs...she is 9...her father has never really been around...only when it was convienient for him...he now as of 4/200 has resided in Ohio...we verbally agreed for her to go and visit for 2 weeks this summer...she is to come home on monday 7/30 and he has now just called and stated that she wants to live out there with him...my problem is neither one of us has ever filed for custody (not ever thinking that i needed to) so now he says he will not force her on the plane if she doesn't want to...shes been out there since 7/17. what can i do...? ithe only thing i have is a support order and all of her legal docs and proof that she has resided with me since day 1. can anyone help...i am so devestated and hurt?
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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riverat said:
I live in California my daughter has resided with me for 9 yrs...she is 9...her father has never really been around...only when it was convienient for him...he now as of 4/200 has resided in Ohio...we verbally agreed for her to go and visit for 2 weeks this summer...she is to come home on monday 7/30 and he has now just called and stated that she wants to live out there with him...my problem is neither one of us has ever filed for custody (not ever thinking that i needed to) so now he says he will not force her on the plane if she doesn't want to...shes been out there since 7/17. what can i do...? ithe only thing i have is a support order and all of her legal docs and proof that she has resided with me since day 1. can anyone help...i am so devestated and hurt?

My response:

You should never have let her out of California's jurisdiction without custody orders. You apparently knew this could happen, and now it has. Now, it's going to take months, and a boatload of money to get her back - - legally.

You need to immediately see an attorney to start the process of obtaining custody orders. If you wait too long, California will lose jurisdiction, and you'll wind up fighting in Ohio.

Get going to a Family Law attorney on Monday morning.

IAAL
 
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riverat

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i thank you for your reply...i never really did think this would happen...he has been in & out of her life for 9 yrs then he moved away...until recently (about when i filed for support) he has never really been close to her...so many times he let her down she sat by the window lots of times waiting because he said he'd be there to see her or waiting for him to call her...until finally about the last year or so she just gave up waiting and when hed call at times shed talk...she went and visited him last yr for 6 weeks and we had no problems...but now he says she is deciding to stay there and he will not force her to come home...shes 9 and has been there for a week and a half going places and doing things and of course who wouldnt want to stay and do all of that...i have already notified the authorities and they have taken a report and i will be getting in touch with an attorney first thing monday. how do people do these things...i have never withheld her from seeing him or talking to him...i dont understand.........
 
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deefran

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I have a question about this IAAL. If she has a support order for him to pay CS to her, doesn't that mean that the state considered her as the Custodial parent?
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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deefran said:
I have a question about this IAAL. If she has a support order for him to pay CS to her, doesn't that mean that the state considered her as the Custodial parent?

My response:

Now, that is an excellent question.

From a "logic" standpoint, one would think so because it stands to reason that the parent who is receiving CS, is also the one with legal custody. Makes sense. But, in California, that is not necessarily so.

A parent can receive CS in one of two different ways, and our writer gave us a clue to that answer:

1. One way is through court process; and,

2. The other is through a State agency.

She said, ". . . we verbally agreed for her to go and visit . . . " and, "my problem is neither one of us has ever filed for custody (not ever thinking that i needed to)." If there was a "verbal" agreement, that tells me that a custody/visitation schedule is not necessarily in place. But, her next sentence is, of course, dispositive on the issue.

The latter remark tells me she, more than probably applied through a State agency, rather than went to court. However, if she did go to court, it was probably "agreed" between them, for whatever reason, that she would not check the box on the form requesting "custody" - - opting only for "child support". But, something happened along the way, and after child support was in place, something changed his mind about custody - - perhaps this was his plan all along.

In California, if you don't check the box (i.e., if you don't ask), you don't get. Therefore, one issue does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with the other.

Again, a very, very good question !

IAAL
 
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riverat

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Just so you know...i did file for CS through the San bernardino County District Attorney Child Support Division
and was told because i did inquire...that they did not deal with any custody issues...so therefore i had no box to check. I have been pondering the whole custody issue for sometime now but due to the fact that 1) i never felt threatened by the father as to him ever wanting custody of her...and 2) i am in the situation where i cannot really afford attorney fees and we make too much for any free help. i've been stuck trying to and hoping that something like this would never happen...the father showed interest in the child when convinient for him...as of the CS order he has now shown more interest...for 9 yrs everything has been ok now all of a sudden he decides to let a 9 yr old who he sees once a yr...decide that she doesnt want to come home...shes been there a since the 17th...last yr for 6 weeks...never seeing this coming...hes going to try and uproot her from this family where she has her own room & privacy and place her in a 2bd apartment with 2 other children...is that fair to her?
 
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riverat

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ok as of today...i signed all paperwork 9 a.m. this morning...its been filed...and they notified the father that there was a court hearing on friday...now my question (i seem to forget these things when i need them) is why do you think the father is acting so calm? Do you think he has someone out in ohio that is telling him that he is doing nothing wrong? and what if he doesnt show or have anyone represent him in his place? what we filed was something like UCCJA or something to that affect.
 

LegalBeagle

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The calm can easily be destroyed when money is brought up. Everything was ok until you initiated your request for CS. I am surprised that people do not realize money changes a great deal and that the moment you hurt him financially, the calm was going to disappear.

He is obviously ignorant of the problems.. but, in some way, he is not doing anything legally wrong. There is no custody order and he has decided to keep the child. He probably does not believe you are going to do anything or that you will delay your action until it is too late.

Your child is only 9 and very easy to influence. You only have his word that she wants to stay and might have a completely different opinion if you got her away from him.

I am sure you file something along side the UCCJA affidavit. That form is to detail the location of the child over the last x years etc. He will need to be at the hearing or represented..
 
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riverat

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i did find out today that the "father" did hire an attorney to represent him...i have another question...i DO NOT trust his parents after all this...we (his parents & I) have had a pretty decent relationship up until now, infact 2 summers ago they (his parents)moved to ohio (the father moved there last yr...cant live with out his mommy!) and i sent my child out there to visit them for about 6 weeks with absolutely no problems...now they are totally agreeing with what he is doing, my question is can i have something written up in the custody papers in regards to his parents? as far as i dont trust them as much as i dont trust the "father"? and if for some sick reason they try and pull a "unsafe" problem with the return of the child what will happen? the whole family ( fathers fam.) has really never liked my husband (been together 6 yrs, child is 9) and my husband is the one who has been financially supporting my child, there has NEVER been any kind af abuse. OH! also the father has had arrests in the past for drugs. and he beat up one of his ex girlfriends and she had to go to the emergency room and i picked her up and she stayed at my house...she was with him for a couple years (lived together) and my child had visited at times, would this be considered a witness...i am still friends with her, she said shed write an afidavid signed and notorized and mailed to me...she lives in a diff. state.....thanx for any advice.....
 

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