Hiding the children

[Winsome]

What is the name of your state? IN My ex has taken the kids to Florida citing a 3 day trip. Then sends me a message saying she is in the hospital and will not be back until further notice. Will not respond to my further queries about the children's whereabouts, who they are with, and refuses them contacting me. I have been making multiple calls to the kids on their phone without any success. Any advise would be helpful. Thanks

 

[LdiJ]

What is the name of your state? IN My ex has taken the kids to Florida citing a 3 day trip. Then sends me a message saying she is in the hospital and will not be back until further notice. Will not respond to my further queries about the children's whereabouts, who they are with, and refuses them contacting me. I have been making multiple calls to the kids on their phone without any success. Any advise would be helpful. Thanks

What kind of co-parenting relationship did you have with mom prior to this? Is this something unusual or is it something else?

 

[quincy]

What is the name of your state? IN My ex has taken the kids to Florida citing a 3 day trip. Then sends me a message saying she is in the hospital and will not be back until further notice. Will not respond to my further queries about the children's whereabouts, who they are with, and refuses them contacting me. I have been making multiple calls to the kids on their phone without any success. Any advise would be helpful. Thanks

After briefly reading through your other 5 threads on the issues you have had with your ex-wife, I understand that your ex-wife has primary custody, you have joint legal, and you had a contempt hearing scheduled in May over your ex-wife’s violations of the terms of your divorce/custody agreement. Is this all correct?

You also previously stated that your children are supposed to be with you mid-week and every other weekend. Is this still correct?

If the above is correct, has your ex-wife’s vacation in Florida and her hospitalization interfered yet with any of your visitations?

Are you typically in touch with your children on the days you are not with them?

Does your ex-wife have friends or family in Florida?

By the way, it is best on this forum to keep all related questions to a single thread so necessary background information does not have to be searched for or repeated over and over again.

 

[Winsome]

What kind of co-parenting relationship did you have with mom prior to this? Is this something unusual or is it something else?

Very difficult. Nothing unusual, she just does not want to support the father-child relationship and hinders it as much she can. Last year, she was ordered to take mental health counseling. Mom was held in contempt for custodial interference, and other issues in the past.

After briefly reading through your other 5 threads on the issues you have had with your ex-wife, I understand that your ex-wife has primary custody, you have joint legal, and you had a contempt hearing scheduled in May over your ex-wife’s violations of the terms of your divorce/custody agreement. Is this all correct?

Correct

You also previously stated that your children are supposed to be with you mid-week and every other weekend. Is this still correct?

Correct!

If the above is correct, has your ex-wife’s vacation in Florida and her hospitalization interfered yet with any of your visitations?

It will when they will not be back tomorrow.

Are you typically in touch with your children on the days you are not with them?

I call them, but without much success. The Judge asked that I provide them a phone, but 19 times out of 20, I do not get a call back. They are scared to reciprocate when they are with my ex.
I got a text 3 days ago from an unrecognized number which had the children saying 'they are fine in FL, mom is in the hospital, your phone is not allowing us to make calls'. I asked them to call and the address they are at. No response. It sounds like someone else wrote it for them using their email id.

Does your ex-wife have friends or family in Florida?

I do not know. When I called the unrecognized number, a lady claimed she is my ex's cousin, the number is her son's phone, and the kids are with her. I asked her for the address. She didn't tell. My subsequent attempts to contact that number went in vain.

By the way, it is best on this forum to keep all related questions to a single thread so necessary background information does not have to be searched for or repeated over and over again.

From here on, I will use this thread for future issues. Thank you.

 

[quincy]

Very difficult. Nothing unusual, she just does not want to support the father-child relationship and hinders it as much she can. Last year, she was ordered to take mental health counseling. Mom was held in contempt for custodial interference, and other issues in the past.

Correct

Correct!

It will when they will not be back tomorrow.

I call them, but without much success. The Judge asked that I provide them a phone, but 19 times out of 20, I do not get a call back. They are scared to reciprocate when they are with my ex.
I got a text 3 days ago from an unrecognized number which had the children saying 'they are fine in FL, mom is in the hospital, your phone is not allowing us to make calls'. I asked them to call and the address they are at. No response. It sounds like someone else wrote it for them using their email id.

I do not know. When I called the unrecognized number, a lady claimed she is my ex's cousin, the number is her son's phone, and the kids are with her. I asked her for the address. She didn't tell. My subsequent attempts to contact that number went in vain.

From here on, I will use this thread for future issues. Thank you.

Thank you for answering all of my questions.

Although I know it is troubling not to know where your children are and how to contact them, as of right now your ex-wife has not infringed on your visitation rights. She is allowed to vacation with the children without interference.

In other words, your problems don’t really start until tomorrow when your ex-wife fails to deliver the children to you on your scheduled visitation day.

In the meantime, you can do an online search of the telephone number that was used for the text. That might turn up a name and location.

I hope your ex-wife is okay. It can be scary to be hospitalized in another state. Good luck.

 

[Winsome]

Thank you. I reverse looked-up the number. It is showing a different state. I called the number and it sounds like a dubious one. The problem is ex has the children's passports, she was ordered mental health counseling, and has a history of alienation. I do hope she is ok if she had an accident, but it does look like there is a drama going on

 

[quincy]

Thank you. I reverse looked-up the number. It is showing a different state. I called the number and it sounds like a dubious one. The problem is ex has the children's passports, she was ordered mental health counseling, and has a history of alienation. I do hope she is ok if she had an accident, but it does look like there is a drama going on

From the review of your previous threads, it appears that your relationship with your ex is a continuous drama. You might not find much relief until your youngest child turns 18.

Good luck.

 

[LdiJ]

Thank you. I reverse looked-up the number. It is showing a different state. I called the number and it sounds like a dubious one. The problem is ex has the children's passports, she was ordered mental health counseling, and has a history of alienation. I do hope she is ok if she had an accident, but it does look like there is a drama going on

It might not be an accident, it might be COVID or something else. Have you attempted to call your ex's phone for more information? If your children are of school age (and I assume that they are since you have provided them a phone) then the children need to be back for school. That is an additional problem.

Where do the kids go to school? You might contact the school to make sure that they are still enrolled, in case you are worried about her trying to not come back at all. You might even drive by her home to see if she still looks like she lives there. Does she have a good job that she would not want to risk?

I would not react to this until you make a little more effort to see what is going on. I you rush to court for contempt, and she really was sick in the hospital, then the judge won't be happy with you. If the whole "sick in the hospital" is a rouse of some sort on her part, then the judge will not be happy with HER.

 

[Winsome]

I have tried to contact her multiple times. I have S15 and D11. I talked to their school and found some female called them to notify their absence. She is corresponding with her attorney and told her about her surgery, but did not reveal the address it seems. I visited her house this afternoon. Her car was missing. She has kept a red bag in front of her door. Sparsely in India, few do this to ward off evil people and bring destruction to them But net net, she has covered her tracks well. There is no flight itinerary to verify upon. She can also say her friend was driving and met with the accident.

I went to the local police and they were able to talk to her, but she did not reveal her address to them as well. I called the police depts in FL and they said they cannot trace her without an address.

To your other questions, she works in different hospitals around the area, works weekdays and weekends for a lucrative cash in hand. Income is underreported to the Court as well as to the IRS. Takes unemployment insurance and government provided health care. Has a good more than half a million from the assets she received from the divorce, but cries and claims poverty in the Court and other officials. Model behavior for someone who wants to get away by using the system.

 

[quincy]

I have tried to contact her multiple times. I have S15 and D11. I talked to their school and found some female called them to notify their absence. She is corresponding with her attorney and told her about her surgery, but did not reveal the address it seems. I visited her house this afternoon. Her car was missing. She has kept a red bag in front of her door. Sparsely in India, few do this to ward off evil people and bring destruction to them But net net, she has covered her tracks well. There is no flight itinerary to verify upon. She can also say her friend was driving and met with the accident.

I went to the local police and they were able to talk to her, but she did not reveal her address to them as well. I called the police depts in FL and they said they cannot trace her without an address.

To your other questions, she works in different hospitals around the area, works weekdays and weekends for a lucrative cash in hand. Income is underreported to the Court as well as to the IRS. Takes unemployment insurance and government provided health care. Has a good more than half a million from the assets she received from the divorce, but cries and claims poverty in the Court and other officials. Model behavior for someone who wants to get away by using the system.

I suggest you concentrate on one issue at a time.

The children are apparently safe, which should reassure you, and it sounds as if the police were able to reach your ex-wife by phone. Her attorney also has spoken to her. It sounds like your ex-wife is really hospitalized.

It might be easy for you to believe that she is lying. I wouldn’t rush to that judgment without knowing more.

 

[LdiJ]

I have tried to contact her multiple times. I have S15 and D11. I talked to their school and found some female called them to notify their absence. She is corresponding with her attorney and told her about her surgery, but did not reveal the address it seems. I visited her house this afternoon. Her car was missing. She has kept a red bag in front of her door. Sparsely in India, few do this to ward off evil people and bring destruction to them But net net, she has covered her tracks well. There is no flight itinerary to verify upon. She can also say her friend was driving and met with the accident.

I went to the local police and they were able to talk to her, but she did not reveal her address to them as well. I called the police depts in FL and they said they cannot trace her without an address.

To your other questions, she works in different hospitals around the area, works weekdays and weekends for a lucrative cash in hand. Income is underreported to the Court as well as to the IRS. Takes unemployment insurance and government provided health care. Has a good more than half a million from the assets she received from the divorce, but cries and claims poverty in the Court and other officials. Model behavior for someone who wants to get away by using the system.

Someone can have half a million in assets and still be cash poor. A perfect example would be assets that consisted of a house and retirement funds. If you need somewhere to live and to eventually retire some day, then neither of those assets are available to pay for current expenses.

 

[stealth2]

The children are apparently back in town.

 

[quincy]

The children are apparently back in town.

That’s good news for Winsome.

 

[Zigner]

The children are apparently back in town.

That would be good - but how did you find this out?

 

[stealth2]

That would be good - but how did you find this out?

Down the street and around the corner, where the guys hang out.