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HOA suing me for unpaid fees AFTER Foreclosure - Need HELP w/ Negotiation / Mediation

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Jan0004

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? FLORIDA

In March 2015, my home was Foreclosed on and title bought by the originator, Fannie Mae. Through a combination of my misreading of the Florida Statues and poor advice, I assumed up to 12 months of HOA fees would be paid by the final buyer (but I failed to read the full statute which includes "OR 1% of the mortgage, whichever is lesser"). Thinking I was clear of this and the fact I was (and currently still am) in financial distress, I stopped making HOA fees for a total of NINE (9) months (until the foreclosure was finalized / title issued). Apparently, Fannie Mae paid the HOA only 1% of the mortgage ($850), which left a balance on the nine (9) months of unpaid HOA monthly dues (from 7/1/2014 to 3/1/2015).

So, the HOA is suing me for the balance of those HOA Dues, plus interest, plus attorney fees, plus late fess, plus court costs (it is all in their complaint). My pre-trial Conference is this Friday (the 18th) and I will certainly be asking for mediation.

My questions are as follows:

(1) The INTEREST being charged in their own statement (I have a copy) makes no sense. In the statement, they specify "interest calculated on assessments only, not late fees, with a periodic interest rate of 18% and a monthly rate of 1.5%" ... their statement has nine months of unpaid monthly HOA fees at $260/mo which totals $2,340 (9 monhts). Keep in mind, I was current with my HOA fees since June 2014. Thus, technically, late fees/interest, to my knowledge, should not begin until August 2014 (July at the earliest). Their statement is charging a whopping and mathematically incorrect interest amortization total of $845. This could mean, even if I immediately started owing the full $2340 on July 2014, that THEIR interest charge (not compounded) is equivalent to a ~36% interest rate!!! My calculations for the true interest rate I would owe are much lower (I have a detailed month-to-month spreadsheet ready to present during pre-trial/mediation). So, besides presenting this hug discrepancy at mediation, is there anything else I can do to contest their error and possibly use this to my advantage in furthering my negotiation?

(2) Their statement does not account for the $850 payment towards the dues that Fannie Mae gave the HOA after Title was issued. if Title was issued on 4/1/2015, then should I not DEDUCT $850 in dues from their statement (essentially lessening the interest rate burden on the total owed since 4/1/2015). Any other charges (attorney fees, late fees, court costs) do not satisfy the statutory requirement for a common expense and are not collectible as part of the safe harbor statute. Thus, i assume the $850 (1% of the mortgage) payment that Fannie Mae gave them SHOULD go directly towards paying down the actual HOA dues. if this is correct, then my interest rate charge calculations will be less as well, Is this correct and can i argue this, too? Any specific laws or lingo i can use would be helpful.

(3) Their statement makes it clear that they are basing their outrageous interest charges ONLY for the period starting from 7/1/2014 to 3/1/2015 (which makes their total interest charge of $845 even MORE ridiculous. Thus, given that their COMPLAINT is specifically stating that their claim/suit is for that period only, can I not claim, as well, that they should only be requesting the PROPER interest amount for the period of 7/1/2014 to 3/1/2015; And NOT from 4/1/2015 to today's date? If they need to correct their claim then they need to cancel their claim and refile. So, am I correct in thinking this? Because if that is what their claim states, then the true compounded interest rate is MUCH less than what they claim.

(4) I am self employed and have no other property (my only possession is my car and it is significant to my self-employment and is only worth $1800 on Kelly Blue Book -- I own it outright). I have been in financial hardship for many years and have no immediate prospects; and live month to month. Thus, I am a terrible candidate for them to continue and get a judgment on me. However, I do have a relative that is willing to help me out but ONLY at 50% of their claim (I may or may not be able to get more). What are THE BEST steps / negotiating stance I can take to possibly reduce the total? besides the above "interest Charge" discrepancy, how can I negotiate to reduce or eliminate the other fees (attorney fees, court, late fees, etc). Should i start at 25% then HOPE they will negotiate at 50%? (As I have read in other threads).

All your help and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for your time.
 
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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Is this small claims? If so, then go to court and argue your side. They aren't going to be forced to refile, but if the court believes you then they will only be awarded a lower amount.

ETA: This is already headed to court, they have no incentive to forgive attorney and court fees since they already paid them out.
 

FlyingRon

Senior Member
If the HOA didn't have the property liened or they were not senior enough that they could get covered by the foreclosure sale (which in the case of mortgaged property, usually only covers the first mortgage), then they indeed have recourse against you.

You are right that you are confused. The twelve month thing is how long it has to be in arrears before the HOA can foreclose on their own volition.

You can certainly challenge miscalculations of the interest (and I agree, if that number is interest alone, it can't possibly be that high). But you don't get any "advantage" in catching their error as far as anything else goes.

There's not enough information here to calculate whether the "fencepost" of the first payment made by Fannie Mae should be credited to your arrearage. You can certainly make that argument as well.

I'd respond with your calculation and offer to settle based on that figure.
 
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FlyingRon

Senior Member
Is this small claims? If so, then go to court and argue your side. They aren't going to be forced to refile, but if the court believes you then they will only be awarded a lower amount.

ETA: This is already headed to court, they have no incentive to forgive attorney and court fees since they already paid them out.
Doubt it's small claims as he's got a pre trial conference scheduled. They don't do that for small claims.
 

Jan0004

Junior Member
Doubt it's small claims as he's got a pre trial conference scheduled. They don't do that for small claims.
Yes, it is set in the Small Claims Court Division -- Action: OTHER CIVIL $2,500.01 TO 5,000.00.

Thank you for all the great responses thus far ... So, I have never been through this. I know I can ask for mediation at pre-trial. What can I do (besides what I have already pointed out) to successfully negotiate this down and forego going to trial?

In other words, what can I do to negotiate this amount in ANY way? I think I have a shot at their interest calculations and, as FlyingRon stated. whether they would accept the Fannie MA payment to be calculated into my arrearage. Any of you have any successful tactics? I am truly under financial hardship so I am not sure if being candid with them about the fact that they stand to have no chance in collecting will make them more amenable to reducing / negotiating.

ANY potentially successful tactics would be gratefully appreciated.

All comments & details are welcome.

Thank you.
 
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