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goodboy

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?

OHIO

I called in to tell my boss that I would not be able to come to work because I had to attend a counseling appointment. My wife and dad were at home, and my brother had just pulled up, and knocked on the door. My wife let him in, and right behind him was my boss who just barged in and demanded to know where I was. What's up with that?
 
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cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
That's your boss being a jerk. However, it does not come even remotely close to meeting the legal definition of a hostile work environment and it does not violate any employment laws.

I suppose if you have a death wish with regards to your employment and don't mind being fired, you could probably contact the police and complain of criminal trespass or something on that line.
 

mlane58

Senior Member
Guess your boss smelled a rat as you were supposed to be at a couseling session and yet there you are at home---Wow! busted!
 

goodboy

Junior Member
mlane58 said:
Guess your boss smelled a rat as you were supposed to be at a couseling session and yet there you are at home---Wow! busted!

I wasn't at home. This is what I was told happened,.
 

goodboy

Junior Member
cbg said:
That's your boss being a jerk. However, it does not come even remotely close to meeting the legal definition of a hostile work environment and it does not violate any employment laws.

I suppose if you have a death wish with regards to your employment and don't mind being fired, you could probably contact the police and complain of criminal trespass or something on that line.
I see. So it's not against the law for an employer to barge into your home uninvited and demand to know where you are. For the record, I was at the appointment. WHat I've told you is how the incident was described to me when I got home.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
I said it was not against any EMPLOYMENT law.

I also pointed out a direction you could go with regards to other laws.
 

goodboy

Junior Member
cbg said:
That's your boss being a jerk. However, it does not come even remotely close to meeting the legal definition of a hostile work environment and it does not violate any employment laws.

I suppose if you have a death wish with regards to your employment and don't mind being fired, you could probably contact the police and complain of criminal trespass or something on that line.

I was just curious about this specific incident, but since you brought it up, I may as well detail what was going on at the store.

I'm a professional retail salesperson in the piano business. I was injured on the job 20 months ago when I picked up a piano. I did not file a w/c claim because I thought at the very least the owner's would take care of my co-pays, scripts, and the like. I was wrong. I've been in pain management since then and in November, my doctor discovered peripheral neuropathy, 2 compressed discs, and some seizure activity. I was put on some serious anti-convulsive meds, which made it very very hard for me to wake up in the morning. I made my employer aware of the situation and asked that they please accomodate me by switching the schedule around to allow me to come in for the afternoon shift (12-8) which is quite reasonable. From then on, I was subject to a horrible environment. THey demanded I bring in my scripts to prove I had epilepsy. They discussed my situation including details of my health to 3rd parties. They suspended me after a month due to "my continued absences and tardiness" when I convinced them to let me back, they tried to substantially cut my compensation, increased my hours, wouldn't allow me to go to lunch like the other salesman did, and when I was able to leave I was interrogated and asked to bring lunch back. When I had a Dr.'s appt, I had to get the doctor on the phone to prove that's where I was going. One evening I tried to talk to one of the owner's about how I felt like they were treating me unfairly and he screamed, "WELL **** YOU!...**** YOU!...**** YOU, just **** YOU OK? I DON"T CARE, **** YOU!"
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
If you had filed a workers compensation claim, you would have had some protections. You chose not to do so.

Based on the information you have provided, it is POSSIBLE (not definite) that you may have some protections under FMLA or the ADA, or even both. However, even if you do, that does not make your boss's action in the initial post a violation of employment law.
 

goodboy

Junior Member
cbg said:
If you had filed a workers compensation claim, you would have had some protections. You chose not to do so.

Based on the information you have provided, it is POSSIBLE (not definite) that you may have some protections under FMLA or the ADA, or even both. However, even if you do, that does not make your boss's action in the initial post a violation of employment law.

What about disclosing details of my condition to 3rd parties, asking me to 'prove' that I am sick...
 

vsaunders

Junior Member
piggyback on OP in ohio

i was assualted at work by another employee (snatched walkie talkie out of my hand) with resulting injury (prior work injury re-aggravated...i am a 50+ afr. am. woman working in security). i have received workers comp for all injuries, incl. result of the latest assault. i have been repeatedly harrassed @ work since injuries and haven't received requested accomodation. latest, doctor found i would need accomodation at work and requested job description w/ accomodation in writing to see if appropriate for return. employer sent 2 large security officers to my home before business hrs to deliver job desc. personally, as well as certified letters to my physician and my home. the assault that occured has never been fully investigated even tho i made incident and police report. my witness (another security employee) was intimidated into changing his statement. i'm afraid to return to work...advice please?
 

algerad

Junior Member
workplace injuries.

Yo goodboy,
Sorry to read about the events you are going through. Unfortunately there are quite a few employers out there that care only for the dollar they can get and not the about the people helping them get it.
As I live in the state of Washington we have one year from the date of injury to file a claim with l&i. As far as a workplace related illness and exposure we get two years to file. What are the statutes in your state?

I will venture to guess you went home after sustaining the injury thinking it was mild and took the next day off to recover. When things got worse you went to the Dr.'s office?
I also get the impression that your employer gave you the impression that they would handle the cost involved ,so as to avoid raising their insurance cost ?
If so, Did they reimburse any of your cost? If not you might be able to go after them in court. Check your local employment laws or consult with a legal adviser.
As far as the incident that happened at your home, that is an iffy situation.
Though he ( your boss) has no right to check up on you like he did, I would'nt call it workplace harasment. Obviously, you are not at work. Considering the treatment you are receiveing at work it could be construed as plain old harassment. Again check your local statute for intent and definition. Some statutes are worded to combat physical threats and violence.

Now to your last question about your privacy, in 1996 congress madated a program called hipaa. ( Health insurance portability and accountability act) This was put in place to protect your private healthcare information by restricting who can see what.
Mainly it was instituted as regulations for health care providers and insurance companies as third parties were getting the private information and using it for various reasons. It required all identifiable information to be removed from health records where possible.
Another aspect of the rule gives you, the patient, the ability to control who has access to your information. You can tell your Dr. or hospital who they can or can not divulge healthcare information to. If you fail to specify a recipient for your information , then it can only be discussed with you and only those who are immediately responsible for your care. If your boss asks your Dr. about your situation your Dr. can not ,without your permission, tell him anything.
As far as your boss goes , the rule of thumb is: If you told him in confidence
as to what the issue is, he is not allowed to divulge that information. As this is a workplace injury, the details should be found in your employee file and as such it is confidential information. ( There is a specific ruling on this and I will have to hunt it down for you. If you choose to do the research, you should find it under the heading of privacy act. Or employee privacy act.)
Gbg is correct in asserting that there are privacy protections under fmla and ada but these would be different for your situation. ( unless you are taking extended time off for your injuries.)

Fmla ( family medical leave act ) was originally put in place to protect working women who wanted to start a family and not quit their jobs. This allowed them a way to have children stay at home for awhile to get things situated and not fear the loss of their jobs. It was amended to include roles of necessity ( The caring of sick parents ,children or self in the event of lengthy recovery times. " in a nutshell." ) Usually the employee would inform the employer of their intent to take time off for fmla. The employer is allowed to ask for validity of the request,( and usually will) but the information must remain confidential.

Ada ( Americans with disability act) Affords disabled Americans the same rights and protections that the protected class are given ( i.e Inclusion to the civil rights act barring discrimination based on race creed color sex and disabilities.) The employer may not ask any questions in regards to the persons health or physical condition unless it is a bona fide condition of employment. Even if the disabled person offers information in regards to health and well being , it is classified.

The basic intent of all this is , our society has become to nosy in one anothers affairs as to try and profit off of one anothers misery and suffering . This to the point that one of our sacred sense of self was compromised; our health information. In all it has been used as a tool to create judgement and theories in regards to our lifestyles and habits. The other sacred sense of self.
 

mitousmom

Member
The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) protects employees who are determined to be qualified individuals with a disability (QUID). It's not clear whether your condition would be considered a disability under the ADA. Not all individuals with epilepsy are considered to QUIDs.

If you are a QUID, you can request that your employer attempt to accommodate you to allow you to perform the essential duties of your job. Your employer can require that you provide it with sufficient medical information to make the determination of your disability status and to determine whether it can provide you a reasonable accommodation because of your disability. It can also require your to submit supporting evidence for your absences. These rules apply to all employers covered by the ADA regardless of the cause of the disability.

That you believe that your disability was caused by a work related injury or accident is a completely separate issue that probably would have been covered by Workman's Compensation, had you filed a claim. As algerad noted, you probably should determine whether the statute of limitations (SOL) has expired for filing a claim. It might be worthwile to file a claim even if you are told that the SOL or filing period has expired. You might want a formal determination on that issue.

As a general matter, the federal Privacy Act governs what the federal government can disclose from information in maintains on an individual. The Privacy Act doesn't govern the disclosure of information maintained by private entities. The ADA has confidentiality provisions and EEOC's guidelines at www.eeoc.gov specify what an employer can ask and what it can do with the medical information it receives.
 

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