In AZ? Tired of DCSE not enforcing? Act Fast

[damnclassybroad]

What is the name of your state? AZ

If the state has been giving you the enforcement run around let your voice be heard! Greg Mocker of Kpho is going to do a story about how the state is not even attempting to collect on behalf of Custodial Parents. If this has happened to you email Greg Mocker at [email protected] and tune in either Thursday at 10 or friday at 5. I cant be the only one!

 

[abstract99]

That is a crock of crap. New York Florida, California, and Arizona are some of the toughest states when it comes to child support enforcement. Don_t like how you are being represented? Then get a lawyer. And don_t tell me about how you can_t afford it because there are thousands of non-custodial parents out there that struggle to have the right to see their child(ren) and don_t even have the option of getting state assistance. The somehow find a way to do it themselves without their government doing it for them. Yeah they are there to protect your rights but lets face it, they have thousands of cases a month. Don't believe me? Go down to your local courthouse and you will see roughly 100 cases being heard a day that has a CP represented by the state. Granted, it will take some time but they are definitly out there helping.
I was in arrears for an accident that I had but I was still making the monthly payment every month. After 13 months of timely payments I still got a letter fromt eh state saying that they were representing my ex to get the arrears (which I was also paying on even without a court order telling me I had to) paid off faster. Just to give you an idea, at the time my CS was 500 a month. I was sending my ex 1k a month and they still found it necessary to take me to court. Luckily for me not only were they laughed out but they assigned my monthly arrears payment at only 50 a month as opposed to the 500 I was paying towards it.

Edit: My arrears payment was a lot of money and I know you are thinking that at only 500 a month it would take a while to gather up that type of arrears ballance. With that being said, my arrears was so high because when I got into my accident I was paying roughly 1500 a month. After 11 months of only being able to pay 300 a month and waiting for the child support to get lowered doe to my inability to work I accumulated an arrears ballance of just over 13,000. No hard feelings though, done and over with.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

What is the name of your state? AZ

If the state has been giving you the enforcement run around let your voice be heard! Greg Mocker of Kpho is going to do a story about how the state is not even attempting to collect on behalf of Custodial Parents. If this has happened to you email Greg Mocker at [email protected] and tune in either Thursday at 10 or friday at 5. I cant be the only one!

And your legal question was...?
keep this crap off this forum.

 

[fairisfair]

That is a crock of crap. New York Florida, California, and Arizona are some of the toughest states when it comes to child support enforcement. Don_t like how you are being represented? Then get a lawyer. And don_t tell me about how you can_t afford it because there are thousands of non-custodial parents out there that struggle to have the right to see their child(ren) and don_t even have the option of getting state assistance. The somehow find a way to do it themselves without their government doing it for them. Yeah they are there to protect your rights but lets face it, they have thousands of cases a month. Don't believe me? Go down to your local courthouse and you will see roughly 100 cases being heard a day that has a CP represented by the state. Granted, it will take some time but they are definitly out there helping.
I was in arrears for an accident that I had but I was still making the monthly payment every month. After 13 months of timely payments I still got a letter fromt eh state saying that they were representing my ex to get the arrears (which I was also paying on even without a court order telling me I had to) paid off faster. Just to give you an idea, at the time my CS was 500 a month. I was sending my ex 1k a month and they still found it necessary to take me to court. Luckily for me not only were they laughed out but they assigned my monthly arrears payment at only 50 a month as opposed to the 500 I was paying towards it.

Edit: My arrears payment was a lot of money and I know you are thinking that at only 500 a month it would take a while to gather up that type of arrears ballance. With that being said, my arrears was so high because when I got into my accident I was paying roughly 1500 a month. After 11 months of only being able to pay 300 a month and waiting for the child support to get lowered doe to my inability to work I accumulated an arrears ballance of just over 13,000. No hard feelings though, done and over with.

Thank you for proof, I WAS still wondering if you were a total moron. By the way, just so you don't continue to blither like an idiot, CSE does NOT represent the custodial parent, they represent the STATE. And by the way, Arizona is currently ranked 44th in collection of child support arrearages, (oh, and that would be out of fifty, in case you got that wrong too)

 

[abstract99]

Thank you for proof, I WAS still wondering if you were a total moron. By the way, just so you don't continue to blither like an idiot, CSE does NOT represent the custodial parent, they represent the STATE.

Yes, thank you, I was aware of that. It is still the CP that benefits from the arrangement though. My point to OP was be that if she doesn't like how the state is helping her then she does and always will have the option to get a lawyer. Was I wrong?

 

[abstract99]

And by the way, Arizona is currently ranked 44th in collection of child support arrearages, (oh, and that would be out of fifty, in case you got that wrong too)

Where did you get that? Did that study include in it the amount of cases heard, the judges rulings ect? Don't tell me that you just pulled up some site that showed the CS arrearage for that state because just because the NCP doesn't pay doesn't mean that the CP's don't get their day in court for it. Though it is still not a legal representation, they are there to help the CP's.

And isn't that kinda the point too? OP is demanding that instead of her taking any actions, she wants the state to go out there and do it. Now she is having some reported do up a story that will be heard by thousands of people and thus cause more tension and stress for the understaffed office there in Phoenix.

 

[fairisfair]

Yes, thank you, I was aware of that. It is still the CP that benefits from the arrangement though. My point to OP was be that if she doesn't like how the state is helping her then she does and always will have the option to get a lawyer. Was I wrong?

No actually it is the CHILD that benefits from the "arrangement", well at least that is how it is supposed to work, actually the state doesn't come out too bad either as far as recouping their assistance payments. These are cases where either there 1) is no child support order or 2) there is a child support order that is not being paid on. These services are generally used as a last resort by CP's because you can bet your a$$ that they would be better served by their own attorney. And you are talking about parents who are struggling to FEED their children, not pick them up for the weekend.

 

[abstract99]

well at least that is how it is supposed to work

Those would be the key words.

And you are talking about parents who are struggling to FEED their children, not pick them up for the weekend.

Struggling to feel their kids? HA! My ex lives in a 250k house, works a job that pays a lot (a recent discovery, but she has been doing it for a while) a year, wears designer clothes, takes AT LEAST 4 or 5 vacations a year. Not only that but she has an attorney. Now I know that there are a lot of people out there that DO need this and the state is doing what they can. I read OP's posts. She has a secure job as a teacher (though it might not pay a WHOLE LOT) it is still a decent living and I am sure that she could set enough aside to afford a lawyer.
I think that the CSE angency is great and I applaud what they have done. It is people like OP that are givng them a bad rap and making their jobs all that much harder. Can you imagine after that story runs how bogged down the lines are gonna be at the agency? Not only will they have to deal with tons of Poed people but they will also have to deal with tons of other people calling wanting their case heard as well.

 

[fairisfair]

Where did you get that? Did that study include in it the amount of cases heard, the judges rulings ect? Don't tell me that you just pulled up some site that showed the CS arrearage for that state because just because the NCP doesn't pay doesn't mean that the CP's don't get their day in court for it. Though it is still not a legal representation, they are there to help the CP's.

And isn't that kinda the point too? OP is demanding that instead of her taking any actions, she wants the state to go out there and do it. Now she is having some reported do up a story that will be heard by thousands of people and thus cause more tension and stress for the understaffed office there in Phoenix.

Do you live in Arizona, do you deal with CSE in Arizona??? A ruling in any court does not put food on the table or money in the bank, so what, someone gets a day in court, so what, they get a child support order, if there is no one there to assist in enforcing that order. What exactly does it mean??? nothing, that is what. I do live in Arizona, I do deal with CSE, both as a custodial parent, and as a volunteer with my local DES office. Yes, the caseworkers are overworked, generally because not all of them are doing their jobs, mostly, to be quite honest, they really could care less, the general attitude seems to be, if we look, we will find them, if we find them, we will have to work the case. In my own situation, my ex, lived in phoenix, worked in phoenix, owned a financed vehicle, had a driver's license, was employed and being 1099'd, rented a home through a real estate company, had a bank account in his name and the state "couldn't find him" Really, get over the idea that CSE is some kind of free legal aid to bitchy ex's. That is ludicrous.

 

[fairisfair]

Those would be the key words.


Struggling to feel their kids? HA! My ex lives in a 250k house, works a job that pays a lot (a recent discovery, but she has been doing it for a while) a year, wears designer clothes, takes AT LEAST 4 or 5 vacations a year. Not only that but she has an attorney. Now I know that there are a lot of people out there that DO need this and the state is doing what they can. I read OP's posts. She has a secure job as a teacher (though it might not pay a WHOLE LOT) it is still a decent living and I am sure that she could set enough aside to afford a lawyer.
I think that the CSE angency is great and I applaud what they have done. It is people like OP that are givng them a bad rap and making their jobs all that much harder. Can you imagine after that story runs how bogged down the lines are gonna be at the agency? Not only will they have to deal with tons of Poed people but they will also have to deal with tons of other people calling wanting their case heard as well.

Yeah, right, I am sure that the CSE office is just jam packed right now with CP's who make 250K a year, sitting on steel metal chairs, in a dirty, understaffed office, waiting for 2-3 hours to see an overworked caseworker, who will spend 5 minutes with them, have them fill out an update on absent parent information form and send them on their way. Then they can get back to that Hawaiin cruise and shopping trip to Scottsdale Fashion Park that they have been putting off.

 

[abstract99]

Do you live in Arizona, do you deal with CSE in Arizona???

No/ I did

Do you live in Arizona, do you deal with CSE in Arizona??? A ruling in any court does not put food on the table or money in the bank, so what, someone gets a day in court, so what, they get a child support order, if there is no one there to assist in enforcing that order. What exactly does it mean??? nothing, that is what.

And that is their fault? Just because the NCP doesn't pay diesn't mean that the CS office doesn't do their job. You can't squeeze blood from a rock. You are taking the mentality that the dads just don't WANT TO pay so don't get all judgemental on me. When I posted I acknowledged that there are probably people out there that DO need the money. You are just flat out saying that they don't care and have the money but don't want to pay. When I was behind I lived in a rented home (that provided shelter for my kids), drove a vehicle (that allowed the kids to spend time with me), spent money on gorceries (that fed my kids), had a drivers license (that allowed me to go where I needed to go, including court), lived in El Mirage, worked in El Mirage, owned a bank account (that had no money in it because though I had all of these things I was still struggling).

Plain and simple, if OP wants something done then she should get herself a lawyer.

Yeah, right, I am sure that the CSE office is just jam packed right now with CP's who make 250K a year, sitting on steel metal chairs, in a dirty, understaffed office, waiting for 2-3 hours to see an overworked caseworker, who will spend 5 minutes with them, have them fill out an update on absent parent information form and send them on their way. Then they can get back to that Hawaiin cruise and shopping trip to Scottsdale Fashion Park that they have been putting off.

Bull, you and I both know that though a CP can actually go into the office and apply, there are ways to get the ball rolling without doing that.

Really, get over the idea that all of the NCP's out there are just trying to avoid their child support office and it is people's hard earned and taken tax money that should be spent to get money from a parent that doesn't have any when there are kids out there that need serious medical attention whose parent's cannot afford it and there isn't enough people or money left for the state to spend on getting those kids treatment.
A friend of mine had a child die of cancer that probably could have been treated but she was a low income parent whose husband had died in a car accident. The puplic health agency was so overbooked that the child never got the treatment that she needed and died. Don't you think that money should be spent on things like that?
These moms chose the fathers, if they don't like the fact that they don't pay then they shouldn't overhaul a system of people trying to do what they can by calling up reporters and causing problems.

 

[fairisfair]

This discussion has never been about NCP wanting to pay or not pay. Ever. It is about your concept of CSE supporting and providing legal assistance to the CP. And you can Blah Blah Blah all you want, that will not change the fact that they DO NOT. HAVE NOT. WILL NOT. Yes, plain and simple if she wants something done, she does need a lawyer, because the state organization that we all pay taxes to fund to do this job, is undereducated, undermotivated, understaffed and underpaid. No, they are not doing a "awesome job", they are doing an increasingly POOR job.

And, no you and I don't both "know" of any way other than to go to the CSE office and apply to open a child support case, cause I have spent many an hour in there waiting my turn. So, wherever this magical child support office is, where everyone is doing a bang up job, where you never have to wait, and are surrounded by highly paid and educated clients, I wish you would share it with the rest of us, cause I want my file transferred.

And, yes there are NCP who do pay their support, unfailingly. I just don't happen to know many of them, and you don't happen to be one either. Did your kids eat less those months that you couldn't pay the full amount, did they shower less to save electricity, maybe they slept outside part of the time to cut down on the rent??? Or maybe your ex just picked up the slack, but then again that's her job right?? She makes good money right?? What exactly is YOUR job??

I am not saying that NCP's shouldn't have homes, bank accounts and driver's licenses, what I am saying is that on NEW CASES, not old ones, not ones that they are trying to collect on, just on basic NEW CASES, they state cannot find someone when given all of that information. That is ridiculous. As for collections, yes, given the option of picking your kid up in your vehicle or paying your support and being sure that he eats this month, yes YOU SHOULD BE SELLING THAT CAR TO MEET YOUR OBLIGATIONS. If you are doing that, then what do you care who is looking for you, or how they are doing it. You have nothing to hide. But don't worry, in Arizona, you don't even need to hide, they aren't looking!

As for the cancer story? a really pitiful attempt to divert attention to a situation that in no way relates.

 

[abstract99]

It is about your concept of CSE supporting and providing legal assistance to the CP, that will not change the fact that they DO NOT. HAVE NOT. WILL NOT.

Though it is still not a legal representation, they are there to help the CP's.

Read b4 you type.

And, no you and I don't both "know" of any way other than to go to the CSE office and apply to open a child support case, cause I have spent many an hour in there waiting my turn. So, wherever this magical child support office is, where everyone is doing a bang up job, where you never have to wait, and are surrounded by highly paid and educated clients, I wish you would share it with the rest of us, cause I want my file transferred.

You would have to ask my ex because I would bet both of my legs that with her having 4 kids that she would not drive 200 miles to sit in a child support office for 5 hours (and now that the case is in my state I can definitly guarentee that she did not fly her butt all the way here to get my state to try to get the arrears as well (which was thrown out ecause I have paid my arrears ballance and she was trying to collect money that I had paid almost a year b4 that). And if you are on state aid the child support office will get involved even without your request.

And, yes there are NCP who do pay their support, unfailingly. I just don't happen to know many of them, and you don't happen to be one either.

You don't know me, how do you know what my situation was? And just so you know, I was injured because the saffety equiptment that I was given by my job malfunctioned. It required months of rehab abd surgeries. By all means, you know so much, exactly how do I make an income while sitting on the operating table? The child support eventually got reduced due to it but until I could get it retroactived it was me that had to be in court once a month.

Did your kids eat less those months that you couldn't pay the full amount, did they shower less to save electricity, maybe they slept outside part of the time to cut down on the rent??? Or maybe your ex just picked up the slack, but then again that's her job right?? She makes good money right?? What exactly is YOUR job??

I drive a forlift around all day. Does it matter? My children needed no more or no less while they were in my home than they were in hers, we shared joint custody with 50/50 visitation. And if we were still married when I got into my accident the YES it would be my ex that would have had to pick up the slack. Sucks for her but was it my fault?

As for collections, yes, given the option of picking your kid up in your vehicle or paying your support and being sure that he eats this month, yes YOU SHOULD BE SELLING THAT CAR TO MEET YOUR OBLIGATIONS. If you are doing that, then what do you care who is looking for you, or how they are doing it. You have nothing to hide. But don't worry, in Arizona, you don't even need to hide, they aren't looking!

They still had food, I watched them every night because my ex worked and when they were at school I provided lunches. The kids ate at moms roughly 6 meals a month (every other weekend) and I sent her at least 300 a month. I think that will cover 12 happy meals from McDonalds. My car would have sold for roughly 300 dollars because I bought it cheap (or rather, my ife bought it since I didn't have much of an income).

If you are doing that, then what do you care who is looking for you, or how they are doing it. You have nothing to hide.

That's the point, I had nothing to hide, I still paid what I could (every penny I had to spare). Took out a personal loan when my kid got sick and my ex refused to pay for him to go to the doctor under her insurance because "he could just wait it out". HE COULD HAVE DIED (turned out he had mono). They still came after me.

You can sit here and say you don't feel they do enough, I feel otherwise. My case aside I think that they have helped a lot of parents out there and it is crazy to try to slander them on the news like that. I'm entitled to my opinion so get over it.

 

[GrowUp!]

What is the name of your state? AZ

If the state has been giving you the enforcement run around let your voice be heard! Greg Mocker of Kpho is going to do a story about how the state is not even attempting to collect on behalf of Custodial Parents. If this has happened to you email Greg Mocker at [email protected] and tune in either Thursday at 10 or friday at 5. I cant be the only one!

Who the hell cares?! I am a journalist and this is a "story" that is probably being promoted to be a big deal, but isn't. Ooh, they're gonna do a story on how a state agency isn't doing their job.

And how many people do you (they) really think are going to be surprised by this?! MAYBE enough to fill a phone booth.

The Feds can't even do their job properly (see "Hurricane Katrina") and you think the state's gonna be any different?

Ya know what they (the TV station) doesn't get?! You do a general survey (and not on here either) and you'll find that hard-working, tax-paying citizens do NOT feel remotely sorry for those collecting child support.

There was a paper here in Cleveland that did a story several months ago on how this woman was collecting child support and she wasn't getting it. Oh and this same woman was collecting welfare and wasn't working and, IIRC, was living off a Section 8 VOUCHER (not housing by the way...BIG difference!!).

And you should've seen the letters that came in about this story. You wanna guess what the general consesus of those letter were?

"We, the taxpayers are putting money in her pocket and putting a roof over her head and she has the nerve to complain she isn't getting child support on time?!...gimme a break. We're busting our humps working 40 hour-plus work weeks & it still isn't enough with gas prices, heating fuel, etc....Get off your lazy, no-good a** and get a job and shut up!"

No pity for her at all!

I can guess how this TV "story" is gonna go. SOmething along the lines of:
- the NCP can't be located
- woman calls CSE office (insert number) times a day
- there is a (insert number) month delay or until case is heard, etc.
- the staff is over-loaded with cases
- the CSE budget is (insert dollar amount here) per year
- maybe the story will focus on some officers within the agency who have big salaries, nice cars, etc. and how that's being wasted when more people can be hired.
- the CP is probably working some measely slightly-over minimum wage gig.
- the story probably won't focus on how many cases it has in its' file and/or how many it processes on average a month.
- and it won't focus on the fact that ALL CSE offices work for the state, not any of the parents.

So, is this alleged journalist going to do a follow-up on how the same CSE office screws NCP's and it takes them months, maybe a year-plus to fix their mistake??

I didn't think so...you never hear any of those. And that's a prime story of an agency not doing their job.