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pip

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What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state?

I am a UK citizen but have been libelled and defamed on an internet forum by a poster resident in Idaho, USA. His identity is no secret.

I suppose my first question must be--if i am to take legal action in this case, should i do so with a UK lawyer or one in Idaho?

Thank you
Pip
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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pip said:
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state?

I am a UK citizen but have been libelled and defamed on an internet forum by a poster resident in Idaho, USA. His identity is no secret.

I suppose my first question must be--if i am to take legal action in this case, should i do so with a UK lawyer or one in Idaho?

Thank you
Pip

My response:

Question One: What was the libelous statement?

Question Two: How much money do you have?

IAAL
 
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pip

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Internet Defamation

Thanks for the rapid response.

This is the relevant paragraph from a lengthy post

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Some of the folks who try incessantly to post here are conscious saboteurs.

For instance, one MI6 operative, ‘Xxxx Xxxxxxx,’ has tried to get on here under 30
fake IDs, and a CIA fellow, ‘Yyyyy Yyyyyyyy,’ tried under 64 fake IDs ;-)

‘Xxxx’ initiated a telephone threat campaign late last year in England which has
extended to America lately. That’s why I’m outing him here. I bet he’s getting his
wrinkly old spy fanny whacked for this now ;-) Before, he contented himself with a
voluminous email slander campaign. He’s the MI6 agent in charge of destroying this
network, so if you get a call from an anxious, high-pitched, whiny fellow with an
Eton accent saying that if you don’t stop gifting you’ll die, then it’s probably ol’
Phake Xxxx, and let us know, okay? We like to keep track of stuff like this.
Actually, getting a threat from him is sort of like winning a prize, so
congratulations!
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I am actually named with my christened name where i have put 'Xxxxs'.

I am not nor have i ever been an MI6 agent, or any sort of undercover policeman.

I am not a member of this forum this was posted on. I have not applied in my own name or any other. (i already know i am not welcome)

I have not made any of the alleged phone calls.

The alleged "voluminous email slander campaign" is a fantasy also. I have emailed this man and others of the same accusing mindset up until some time last summer. I maintain that no slander or libel was contained in any of that, simply protests of innocence of this sort of accusation.

I have never sought to destroy what he calls "this network". On the contrary. I would be happy to see it thrive, but would rather it were sane and that this defamation cease.

In various ways and by implication this has gone on since late in 2002. I was first named in similar vain in March of this year. This is just the latest and was published yesterday (12th)

I may say that the post containing this paragraph is not only 'inside' the forum but on the sites homepage as it's latest 'come on in' piece.

I haven't bothered to go into it, but also on that same homepage is another 'piece' by another of this band of heroes in which i am named again and by implication branded as a black-magician and killer!

I am editing in an answer to your 'how much money do i have' question. The short answer is very little. I am 62 and effectively medically retired. I have only a state pension and not much extra.

Cheers
Pip
 
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pip

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Some days have passed and i am wondering why there has been no further response to my questions.

If i've committed some faux pas or it isn't something anybody wants to comment on, then say so and i can stop wasting time checking in here.

Yes i'm in the UK, perhaps that offends??

The libeller is an Idaho citizen and the forum hosting ISP is in Seattle so i thought the question might be relevant to this American forum.

If there is to be no response, there is not much point in going into anymore detail.

Am i to infer from the amused 'kitty kitty' remark, offered in ignorance of any detail, that the prospect of redress for anything like this is simply laughable, or does it mean something else?

Well say so.

pip
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

I've been waiting for you to answer both of my questions. Don't just gloss over the responses and questions to you, and then answer only that which you want to respond. I asked you two questions.

IAAL
 

jmeloow

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Yes... I believe one of your first obstacles will be showing that the statements made on the website have actually caused you some kind of personal damage.

I can use this forum right here and say you are stupid or say you are gay and I can do it all day long... I don't know you and you don't know me.... I obviously don't know if what I have said is true or not, but you would have to show some kind of actual damages as a direct result of what I have said. Doesn't really matter if it just hurts your feelings.... although 'emotional distress' is getting to be a pretty popular thing these days.

I wonder... if you are not a member of the site and have never tried to enter it, how did you become aware of the existence of these postings in the first place?
 
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pip

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To IAAL.
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I thought i had answered your questions, i was certainly not trying to 'gloss over' them.

My understanding of libel may be faulty. I thought it's essence inhered in the untruth of the statement and it's capacity to damage.

So to your first question "what was the libellous statement?"

These 4 statements are factually untrue:-

#1; "For instance, one MI6 operative, ‘Xxxx Xxxxxxx,’ has tried to get on here under 30 fake IDs,....."

#2; "‘Xxxx’ initiated a telephone threat campaign late last year in England which has extended to America lately."

#3; "Before, he contented himself with a voluminous email slander campaign."

#4; "He’s the MI6 agent in charge of destroying this network,....."

Their capacity to damage will emerge, i hope, later on.

Your second question i thought i had given the sort of answer you wanted, but apparently not. I'll try again. You asked "how much money do you have?"

Right now i have £10 in my back pocket and 64pence in change. I have a current account which is £300 overdrawn against a limit of £450, so £150 of the banks money to go.

Credit cards are not maxed out and something approaching £1500 could be available, but crippling to do so.

Disposable income after housing costs (rent and council tax) is around £105 a week.

No savings. I don't know what else i can tell you.

To Legal Beagle and jmeloow.
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To answer your questions i have to give a little more background to this business.

The forum which carried the post i am complaining about is one of maybe 6 forums all concerned with a particular sort of activism. It's tricky to talk about and remain discrete. The 'network' as one might call it would probably be regarded as part of the lunatic fringe by most ordinary people. It seems relevant to emphasise that none of this activity is in any way illegal or life threatening. I'm sorry to be so cryptic, but it seems appropriate at present.

The point of relevance here is that within the community of people who are part of or connected to this network, reputation is very significant. To be called an 'agent' is tantamaount to being named a paedophile or adulterer at your local church. The concerns of this network impact on areas that have been a passionate life interest of mine for over 30 years. It is in this sort of context that this ongoing libel is and has been damaging.

I think it fair to say that inspite of the general hugeness of the internet at large, when it comes to pools of shared interest one can find it to be quite a small world. I am a member on various forums and often find it incumbent upon me--in the sense that honesty dictates--to tell moderators of this 'history' before they learn it from elsewhere. Either this or change my name.

The forum in question, in it's present state and on it's present servers is only a couple of months old. It can be read (all except some private elements--which i have not seen) by any member of the public. I have never tried to register as a member and so have only read what is publically accessible, including the libellous post. Lets call it forum D.

Before forum D started (in March, i think) the same people had run another forum of the same name but on a different ISP's servers since September 2003. I shall call *that* forum C. Since 'D' started, it is not active and remains only as an archive.

In it's turn forum C started life as a breakaway from another large and still running forum i shall call B. Forum B in turn started out in early summer of 2002 as a breakaway from the original and still going strong forum A.

I initially became involved in this circus at all when i joined forum B (and A) in november 2002. Everything was fine, i was not a troublesome poster and never had to be 'moderated' until suddenly in March 2003 i found i was banned from forum B and all my posts expunged. I emailed the owner and others to find out why, but nobody ever replied. It was some time before i could 'join enough dots' to make sense of what had happened. I think i had been the subject of a character assassinating private email campaign which started inside the first 2 weeks of my joining the thing, the core of which was the accusation that i was this MI6 agent, with a license to kill and alsorts of paranoid nonsense. After March '03 this was aired in many public posts in such a way that all would know who was accused though my real name scarcely mentioned.

I had no means of reply beyond protests of innocence via email to the 6 people i figured were making the accusations. They replied to none of it. Finally realising that it was all futile i gave up writing to them around August last year. By definition my protests of innocence are lies. Think witch trials and you have something like the model.

For completeness i should say that i did join forum C in the name i was known by, made one post which was deleted and account closed in about half an hour. A little later i joined it again with another user name with a similarly short life. That was the full extent of it. Forum D, which carries the libel i have aired here, i have never attempted to join.

pip
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

Okay, I'll get right to the point. You don't have a pot to piss in, let alone enforce some imagined "right" you have with an attorney who would know international law.

So, what this all boils down to is that your post amounts to nothing more than "mental masturbation".

That's why I asked.

IAAL
 
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pip

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Thank you IAAL

You could have got 'right to the point' after my second post.

Can you explain in what sense the "right" is imagined? If that is really the case, the matter of money is irrelevant isn't it? If i had a family member who was a millionaire for instance, and prepared to fund an action, you seem to be suggesting it would still be pointless.

Do i understand you properly?

pip
 
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krispenstpeter

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Get a REAL job! REAL attorneys aren't on this site!
But real idiots are.

Thank you for proving once again why I retired at 45. :rolleyes:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
Notice the language IAAL uses. "Pot to piss in." "Mental Masturbation."

**A: I for one enjoy reading the responses by IAAL and the metaphors he employs in his writings.
 
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krispenstpeter

Guest
Not to mention the Semiphores he sends out or the conifers that don't grow under his feet :D
 
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