landlords with no morallity

[Qtiem1]

To whom it may concern:
I have recently had to deal with the unscrupulous vermin known as my landlords. I do not have the mental nor physical energy to fight them anymore. There seems to be no court or lawyer in existance that feels moral obligations are of any importance these days. Our country is so focussed on following the written laws that we seem to have forgotten about the obvious ones such as;
- treating people with respect,
- oral contracts being upheld, and even
- morallity.
Why are people allowed to keep conning and decieving others, just because they can worm their way around all of the legal jargon? Why are some landlords able to continue renting places out when they are constantly complained about? In my case, I had called The Department of Fair Housing to get advice and file a complaint, I filed a complaint with the City of Long Beach's Building Inspector, and have spoken to many different legal aid agencies and law firms and in each of the cases there was someone who stated that they had heard of my landlords ( and not in a good way ). Yet, there is no one willing to assist me in putting a hault on their unfair ways of dealing with others without my paying them obsene amounts of money. I have even told lawyers that the could keep ALL of any judgement awarded... they just won't risk it!
Thus, since I cannot imagine taking them to court to get damages for the money I have lost due to missing work, money I have spent trying to make my apartment enjoyable, money spent on lagal help and all of the mental anguish I have been subjcted to, maybe I can get the public to think about changing our tolerance of all of the deceptive practices going on right before our eyes in our own communities and to our own friends and family members. If anyone know of any recources for getting publicity, my ears are open, as well as my mind! Please don't let them continue to get away with all that they get away with!
Somebody - anybody, tell me that there are still some people left who don't think that we should tolerate deception as long as it is not directly affecting us.
Sincerely,
Jeannie R.
Long Beach, CA

[Edited by Qtiem1 on 01-02-2001 at 10:55 PM]

 

[dnjcomp]

Jeannie,

I am not a lawyer and any opinion given here is strickly that, an opinion.

I understand exactly what you are going thru. I have been there and dealt with it. What these landlords count on is drawing the battle out for so long that it soon becomes no longer worth the trouble to fight them. I do know that there are lawyers out there that will fight these people but they are few and difficult to find. I would recommend that you look for one outside your area of residence as it may be easier to get one to help you who would be less likley to ever have to deal with your landlord out side of the court.

I would also recommend locating a copy of the CA hand book of tennant rights and responsibilities. This little booklet will explain in detial your rights and responsibilities as a tennant.

Hope this helps.

 

[Qtiem1]

Thank you for showing interest in my story. I have already read the handbook of tenants' rights and it did not help in court. As I said before, our system only seems to focus on their written laws and agreements - not on an agreement made in good faith. That is just something I believe was put in the handbook to keep us from giving up when our landlords try and screw us. If we all knew that we did not have a chance in hell of winning then the courts would lose a lot of our dollars.

As far as my exparience and the experiences Iof other former tenants go, the courts have protected our despicable landlords and thrown us out like yesterday's news.
I pity anyone who must deal with Helen and Henry B.

 

[LL]

So, you don't like the written laws.

Too bad, because those are the ones we go by.

And just what kind of "moral laws" are superior to these?

Your problems seem to be:

Landlords don't treat you with respect.
Small wonder, seeing your letter.
If your landlord decided to divorce you for being bitchy, I can't say that I blame him. Is that why you think you should be compensated for money you have spent trying to make your apartment enjoyable? Why aren't you enjoying it?

Morality?
What kind of morality are we talking about here?
Do you know that recently, the California court allowed a couple to discriminate and not rent to an unmarried couple?
This is in California, of all places. Now that's morality.
Now, what's your problem?

It always amazes me how people who signed written rental agreements, suddenly come up with these oral promises that that they say were promises, but were not in the written agreement. It may interest you to know that my lease contains the following clause:

This lease contains the entire agreement between LESSEE and LESSOR relating to the leasing of the demised premises. No representation which is not incorporated herein shall be binding upon LESSOR, and all representations which have been made are incorporated herein or, if not so incorporated, shall be deemed to have been waived by LESSEE. All preliminary negotiations between the parties are merged into, and superseded by, the provisions of this lease.

I don't need to have this clause in the lease. In fact, my best argument to a Judge, after asking him to enforce this clause (in the lease or not) is to point out that the tenants' signature (indicating their agreement) shows that they had notice that everything promised was embodied in the written lease. The Judge always nods when I say that, and I get a favorable judgement. (Tim C, its your turn. You owe me a clause)

Based on your letter QT whatever, it seems to me that justice prevailed in your case.

 

[Qtiem1]

response to youngwhatever

It sounds to me that you and my landlords read the same book of landlord-tenant ethics! You seem to be very bitter... what happened? Did someone you considered a pissant turn the tables on your money-driven world of deceiving people by using jumbled contract jargon? These "laws" that we are presently governed by were written before most of us were born you ignorant, greedy fool! I would love to meet you in person! You probably sneak around and peer into your tenants windows like my landlords do - don't you?!

 

[HomeGuru]

Qtiem1,
I am the HomeGuru and live at the Real Estate Law forums. You have a right to post questions and respond to other posts with your opinion. Your last couple of posts are not cute and seem to be a personal attack at younglsm.
Please refrain from personal mudslinging against any of our writers as it is of absolutely no benefit to the readers of this website.
We can all live in peace here even if we have our diferences of opinion.

Thank you,
HomeGuru

 

[Qtiem1]

home guru

So, you don't like the written laws.

Too bad, because those are the ones we go by.

And just what kind of "moral laws" are superior to these?

Your problems seem to be:

Landlords don't treat you with respect.
Small wonder, seeing your letter.
If your landlord decided to divorce you for being bitchy, I can't say that I blame him. Is that why you think you should be compensated for money you have spent trying to make your apartment enjoyable? Why aren't you enjoying it?

Morality?
What kind of morality are we talking about here?
Do you know that recently, the California court allowed a couple to discriminate and not rent to an unmarried couple?
This is in California, of all places. Now that's morality.
Now, what's your problem?

It always amazes me how people who signed written rental agreements, suddenly come up with these oral promises that that they say were promises, but were not in the written agreement. It may interest you to know that my lease contains the following clause:

This lease contains the entire agreement between LESSEE and LESSOR relating to the leasing of the demised premises. No representation which is not incorporated herein shall be binding upon LESSOR, and all representations which have been made are incorporated herein or, if not so incorporated, shall be deemed to have been waived by LESSEE. All preliminary negotiations between the parties are merged into, and superseded by, the provisions of this lease.

I don't need to have this clause in the lease. In fact, my best argument to a Judge, after asking him to enforce this clause (in the lease or not) is to point out that the tenants' signature (indicating their agreement) shows that they had notice that everything promised was embodied in the written lease. The Judge always nods when I say that, and I get a favorable judgement. (Tim C, its your turn. You owe me a clause)

Based on your letter QT whatever, it seems to me that justice prevailed in your case.

i'm not sure who's stuff you read and do not read. if you and young guy are buds i can accept your biased attack this time. if you are going to attempt to be fair - because i do admit that i did personally attack youngthing - you should repremand both guilty parties!
why did you not say anything negative to him about all of the negative replies he gave to others because he did not agree with their version of THEIR stories. He gets a kick out of hurtiing someone when they are weak - well, i get a kick out of kicking those like him! Remember... this is a place people come to seek advice. Atleast that's what the name states (freeadvice.com) When i see young dud stop attacking others including myself, i will then stop attacking him.
Do you work in the court system?

 

[Qtiem1]

i give up. let the sleazy landlords of the world rule it for all i care!