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sogwap

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What is the name of your state? Florida

I rented in July 2007 and I left my rental on November 1, 2007. I had a month to month lease and was certain to research the Florida landlord/tenant laws before and during the time I rented. The landlord was not the best to say the least. The air conditioning was not working properly and it took him six weeks to get it taken care of. Then the refrigerator was not working properly and he never did fix that.

Anyway, I adhered to the law in all aspects. I gave 30-day written notice and I made sure that he had a forwarding address. I left the house in a better condition then when I moved into it. I replaced a few oulet covers that were cracked. All of the non-working bulbs were replaced and I cleaned the garage out completely.

The lease stated that my security deposit should be returned within 21 days of vacating the premises. 21 days came and went and it is now 35 days. I contacted him several times via email, usps and phone. Finally he contacted me back via email stating that I needed to be patient because I was not his only client and that his money situation was not at it's best. I was sympathetic but contacted him back stating the "law" and that patience was NOT necessary on my part since the "law" states that I am entitled to my security deposit return within 21 days of vacating.

I was sympathetic to him thorughout my stay at his rental house. He always made it known that his "investments" were not doing so well. I was understanding and patient. Now I have lost my patience and to be honest I could care less about his problems. He caused them himself. I just want my money back.

Problem is that I am now 7 hours away. Still in the state of Florida but I don't want to have to go back to Melbourne to get $600 back. Everywhere I've looked, Florida law only gets you your original deposit amount back, attorneys fees and possibly expenses. Still I don't want to let him get away with this, plus I need that money... He had no concern for me at all the way that I did for him......

Does anyone know if there is any way that I can do this long distance?
 
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Cvillecpm

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Write him a demand letter and give him 10 days to return your deposit IN FULL or you will file against him in Small Claims and add the cost of your travel, lodging and lost work $ in addition to the deposit...then file in Small Claims...what part of he is having financial problems don't you understand? The SQUEEKER and LOUDER you are, the more likely you are to get your $$$
 

JETX

Senior Member
you will file against him in Small Claims and add the cost of your travel, lodging and lost work $ in addition to the deposit...then file in Small Claims.
And of course, that is all crap. Florida laws do NOT allow you to recover any of those claims in a suit for security return.

Florida Statute
83.49 Deposit money or advance rent; duty of landlord and tenant.--:
(c) If either party institutes an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to adjudicate the party's right to the security deposit, the prevailing party is entitled to receive his or her court costs plus a reasonable fee for his or her attorney. The court shall advance the cause on the calendar.

For additional landlord obligations:
http://www.800helpfla.com/landlord_text.html
 

sogwap

Member
Write him a demand letter and give him 10 days to return your deposit IN FULL or you will file against him in Small Claims and add the cost of your travel, lodging and lost work $ in addition to the deposit...then file in Small Claims...what part of he is having financial problems don't you understand? The SQUEEKER and LOUDER you are, the more likely you are to get your $$$
This letter was probably the third correspondence I sent him: It is lengthy but I though it might help someone else with a similar problem. This was not the first request I made. I called him several times and sent him a letter usps as well as several simple emails before I sent this.

Dear Craig,

I have been really patient and understanding but I can't stress enough just how much I need my deposit back. Regardless of need, it is legally mine and I want it.

I've sent you several e-mails a usps mailing and have made several calls to you and have heard nothing. Your refusal to accept certified mail from me does not relieve you of any obligations as per the Landlord/Tenant laws in the state of Florida.

My deposit belongs to me legally and I haven't heard one word from you about it. I am absolutely within my rights. I sent you my 30-day written notice to vacate by certified mail. You chose not to accept the mail. I have it in my possession. It was sent to the correct address, but you refused to acknowledge it. This does not relieve you of your obligation since I complied with all legal obligations. Not to mention I sent it to the same address I sent my rent to and you had no problem receiving that. Your non-acceptance does not matter. I made not just an effort but did EXACTLY what was required by law. I also sent you an e-mail notice to vacate which will hold up in a court of law along with the certified notice.

Please don't underestimate me. I will not allow you to rip me off. If it were $50 that you owed me I would pursue the matter. It's not just the money, although it is needed, it is your refusal to at least contact me that really upsets me.

I know that you were having some financial difficulties and that's mainly why I have not yet pursued this legally.

I am absolutely within my legal rights and will pursue it if I have to. In this turns out to be the case, YOU will HAVE to pay the court costs and legal fees incurred by me to recover the money that you owe me as per our lease agreement and as per the Landlord Tenant laws in the state of Florida.

At the very least, please contact me on the status of this matter.

I am extremely adamant about this because there has been NO acknowledgement of my correspondence or attempts to contact you. Damn just give me my $600 back, how hard can that be?


"FLORIDA SECURITY DEPOSIT ( Florida Statute 83, Sec 83.49)
*Upon the vacating of the premises for termination of the lease, if the landlord does not intend to impose a claim on the security deposit, the landlord shall have 15 days to return the security deposit together with interest if otherwise required, or the landlord shall have 30 days to give the tenant written notice by certified mail to the tenant's last known mailing address of his or her intention to impose a claim on the deposit and the reason for imposing the claim. The tenant is required to give the landlord a valid address at which the tenant can be contacted.

*If the landlord fails to give the required notice within the 30-day period, he or she forfeits the right to impose a claim upon the security deposit.
*Unless the tenant objects to the imposition of the landlord's claim or the amount thereof within 15 days after receipt of the landlord's notice of intention to impose a claim, the landlord may then deduct the amount of his or her claim and shall remit the balance of the deposit to the tenant within 30 days after the date of the notice of intention to impose a claim for damages.

*If either party institutes an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to adjudicate the party's right to the security deposit, the prevailing party is entitled to receive his or her court costs plus a reasonable fee for his or her attorney. The court shall advance the cause on the calendar."


This is what I received back from him. I guess he didn't like my manner of demand. LOL

To: He inserted my name here

In regards to your inquiries:

Thank you for being Patient, please realize you are not the only client we have to communicate and complete transactions with in Brevard County. You are not being neglected, and some of your attempts to contact us have been received, and logged. Your refund of deposit is being processed, however due to current market conditions, and lack of certain assets we may be behind on customer follow up, but we can assure you your request is being processed.

Please be Patient and direct all contact to the party below. We Like to conduct our business in a professional manner and would expect the same in return from our current and previous clients.

Thank you for your concern.

VP: He inserted his name here.

What a HUGE joke. So I wrote him back the following. He's got a very annoying stoic attitue and I couldn't help but try to stick some pins in it! But I have yet to get my money back and haven't heard one word from him.

To: He inserted his name here

Please understand that this has not been an "inquiry", "request" or concern. This is a legal demand. I DO understand that I am NOT the only client. This, however, is irrelevant. The Florida landlord/tenant law states that I am to receive my deposit back within 15 days of vacating unless the lease states otherwise, which it does and I have taken into account. The lease states 21 days and it has now been 40 days. There is no such thing as my so-called request being processed. It is not a matter of a request but of a demand according to the law.

I am not required by law to wait for processing on your time frame due to a possible lack of efficiency or funds. I did, however, conform to the legal requirements regarding my notice of vacating. The following is what the law states and also is clear on the obligations of both tenant and landlord.

"*Upon the vacating of the premises for termination of the lease, if the landlord does not intend to impose a claim on the security deposit, the landlord shall have 15 days to return the security deposit together with interest if otherwise required, or the landlord shall have 30 days to give the tenant written notice by certified mail to the tenant's last known mailing address of his or her intention to impose a claim on the deposit and the reason for imposing the claim. The tenant is required to give the landlord a valid address at which the tenant can be contacted. ( I have done this SEVERAL times)....but once again:

I inserted my forwarding address here

*If the landlord fails to give the required notice within the 30-day period, he or she forfeits the right to impose a claim upon the security deposit.

*Unless the tenant objects to the imposition of the landlord's claim or the amount thereof within 15 days after receipt of the landlord's notice of intention to impose a claim, the landlord may then deduct the amount of his or her claim and shall remit the balance of the deposit to the tenant within 30 days after the date of the notice of intention to impose a claim for damages.

*If either party institutes an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to adjudicate the party's right to the security deposit, the prevailing party is entitled to receive his or her court costs plus a reasonable fee for his or her attorney. The court shall advance the cause on the calendar."

There is NO processing or patience needed. There is only returning my deposit in the timeframe allowed by law. Yes I HAVE been patient, and while I appreciate your response (finally), and am still sympathetic to any circumstances that have prevented the refund of my deposit, my demand is well within my legal rights. Not to mention, I have to children to raise. I must think of my family. So that you are clear on the matter, my correspondence via email, USPS and phone were/are NOT inquires or a "request" as you put it. Instead this is a legal demand. The time of processing is not your choice. It is simply a matter of "sending" my deposit back to me. It is nearly 20 days overdue. I NEED the money now. Every penny counts. This is 60,000 pennies.

As concerning "being professional", this is as professional as it gets. I have researched and taken great care in the pursuit of this matter. Please be advised that all communication should be directed to:

I inserted my forwarding address here or

I inserted my phone number here or

I inserted my main email address here or

I inserted my secondary email address here or

I will expect to receive my deposit within 7 days. It is already three weeks overdue.

Inserted into this mailing and the previous one, are the Florida State laws concerning return of a security deposit. In summary, my deposit was due me on November 21. It is nineteen days overdue at the time of this mailing. Processing stopped being an issue as of the 21st day of November. It is now just a matter of getting an envelope, putting my deposit into it, putting a stamp on it and depositing it into a legal USPS mail box.

Professionally yours,
I inserted my name here
 

sogwap

Member
And of course, that is all crap. Florida laws do NOT allow you to recover any of those claims in a suit for security return.

Florida Statute
83.49 Deposit money or advance rent; duty of landlord and tenant.--:
(c) If either party institutes an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to adjudicate the party's right to the security deposit, the prevailing party is entitled to receive his or her court costs plus a reasonable fee for his or her attorney. The court shall advance the cause on the calendar.

For additional landlord obligations:
http://www.800helpfla.com/landlord_text.html
I know this is the problem of going back to try to recover the deposit. It will cost me to do that. I would have to pay for lodging, gas and expenses which they (Florida) don't take into consideration. I guess I've lost my money or I could "believe" that he'll send it to me eventually...... He's just a kid (26 years old) who got some money from his parents to invest with and he blew it!!! He doesn't have a "regular" job and owns several properties that he rents and/or is having to sell..... Oh yeah, and get this; he is also partnered in a "LENDING COMPANY"...... It really kills me to let him get away with this -- But I just don't know if it would be worth it for me!!
 

CA LL

Senior Member
What confuses me..you say you reviewed FL LL/Tenant laws very closely and even quote them BUT in your posts you go on about 21 days which is NOT a part of FLORIDA LL/Tenant laws but say it's in the lease?

If he plans to deduct even ONE DOLLAR from the deposit he has THIRTY days to just give you notice of such intent and then has another 15 day wait for you to respond/object and then do the accounting and send the net refund 30 more days later. You said it has been 35 days. And it sounds like you started hounding the LL well before the 30 days several times. Since you only posted part of the communications here...and in those it sounds VERY confrontational...well I don't think that will help you should you go to court.

Five days is not going to prove a bad faith claim. And the forfeiture is up to the judge to enforce. And yes you must sue THERE and be THERE to attend court. And it's most likely gonna be in small claims which is typically no attorneys anyway. NO you cannot get travel costs to do this.
 
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CA LL

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Oh and also confusing..you say it has been 35 days but you also say you vacated NOVEMBER 1st??? So what is the real deal?

Also the 21 days thing in the lease...depends on the EXACT wording as to if there is a claim against it or not. Sounds to me that the LL is using a CALIFORNIA lease for FL property.
 

sogwap

Member
What confuses me..you say you reviewed FL LL/Tenant laws very closely and even quote them BUT in your posts you go on about 21 days which is NOT a part of FLORIDA LL/Tenant laws but say it's in the lease?

If he plans to deduct even ONE DOLLAR from the deposit he has THIRTY days to just give you notice of such intent and then has another 15 day wait for you to respond/object and then do the accounting and send the net refund 30 more days later. You said it has been 35 days. And it sounds like you started hounding the LL well before the 30 days several times. Since you only posted part of the communications here...and in those it sounds VERY confrontational...well I don't think that will help you should you go to court.

Five days is not going to prove a bad faith claim. And the forfeiture is up to the judge to enforce. And yes you must sue THERE and be THERE to attend court. And it's most likely gonna be in small claims which is typically no attorneys anyway. NO you cannot get travel costs to do this.

The Florida Tenant landlord law is clear in that the LL has 30 days unless otherwise stated in the lease. And that is just for a long lease. My lease was a month to month in which case he has 15 days in which to return my deposit unless otherwise stated in the lease. The "lease" did state 21 days....

I didn't HOUND him, I just needed him to know I was serious because I KNEW he would do this. I could have paid my lasts months rent less the $600 deposit which I thought about doing, but I knew that I would be the one to wind up in trouble. I should have taken my chances. I knew that he would have NO reason on God's green earth to ever withold any of it since I REALLY did leave the place better than when I moved in. I always do. I am relilable and should have went with my instincts. This is a BRAT landlord who had everything handed to him on a silver platter and sees no good reason to do the right thing and could give a crap about other people.

There is a lot more to this story but as far as the security deposit is concerned, I waited longer than I had to and only got adamant because of his lack of response and then his latest ridiculous response stating patience......blah blah blah...
 

acmb05

Senior Member
Oh and also confusing..you say it has been 35 days but you also say you vacated NOVEMBER 1st??? So what is the real deal?

Also the 21 days thing in the lease...depends on the EXACT wording as to if there is a claim against it or not. Sounds to me that the LL is using a CALIFORNIA lease for FL property.
It is 15 days in Florida not 30. The landlord must either return the deposit in 15 days or send a notie of claim against the tenant in that same 15 days. Unfortunately Florida does not allow you to collect double or treble damages.
 

acmb05

Senior Member
Here is where you may be confused: It clearly states he has 15 days to do one or the other

(3) (a) Upon the vacating of the premises for termination of the lease, the landlord
shall have 15 days to return the security deposit together with interest if otherwise required, or in
which to give the tenant written notice by certified mail to the tenant's last known mailing address
of his intention to impose a claim on the deposit and the reason for imposing the claim. The
notice shall contain a statement in substantially the following form:


If the landlord sends a notice of claim and the tenant does not object THEN the landlord has 30 days to mail out the balance if any of the security deposit.

(3)(b) Unless the tenant objects to the imposition of the landlord's claim or the
amount thereof within 15 days after receipt of the landlord's notice of intention to impose a claim,
the landlord may then deduct the amount of his claim and shall remit the balance of the deposit to
the tenant within 30 days after the date of the notice of intention to impose a claim for damages.
 

chuck126

Member
double/treble damages

It is 15 days in Florida not 30. The landlord must either return the deposit in 15 days or send a notie of claim against the tenant in that same 15 days. Unfortunately Florida does not allow you to collect double or treble damages.
I have a similar problem with a Fla. landlord. I googled security deposit returns today and got this post in the list. Although this post is a year old I presume others in a similar situation may come up with this post in the future and if it helps I believe you can collect treble damages or three times the amount of the rent if you can prove actual malice, fraud, or deliberate violence or oppression, or when LL acts willfully or with such gross negligence as to indicate a wanton disregard of rights of others. Fla. Stat. 83.67[1] [a] provides for treble damages for LL intentionally interruption of any utility service such as elect., gas, heat, A/C, refrigeration, etc. Along with Court costs, atty. fee's, and interest.
In this OP's situation being as far away as she is, it would appear she has good cause to warrant a telephonic appearance that can be set up with the Judges Judicial assistant. Attorneys do it daily, making telephonic appearances. Save a lot of money on gas, lodging, etc.
The question I have is: if the LL sends the tenant a uncertified letter stating his refusal to return the security deposit and whatever his reason for doing so, right or wrong, would this constitute a valid notice/claim on the security deposit in the state of Florida?
 
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