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carmen55

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? NJ

Can a law firm collect a debt they purchased?

Their client is a Business Name that the attorney owns.

In the letter it states, their client. Their client is a Business entity they own.

I have done some research on this and it is vague on the topics of attorney junk buyers.

A workshop in DC made mention to this and referred to it as "double dipping".

My question is:

Is the law firm in any violation of any FTC act

Can I attempt to fight the law firm since their client is not a collection agency licensed according to NJSA 45-18-1.
 


seniorjudge

Senior Member
Q: Can a law firm collect a debt they purchased?

A: Yes.


Q: Is the law firm in any violation of any FTC act

A: None whatsoever.


Q: Can I attempt to fight the law firm since their client is not a collection agency licensed according to NJSA 45-18-1.

A: You can fight them on any terms you want. The best defense is, of course, you paid your debt like you said you would.
 
Check your States laws carefully...

I live in WA state. A collection agency, or collections law firm, cannot attempt to collect in in my state unless they are licensed to specifically do so. I know this because I sued and won against a collections law firm in California. They weren't licensed, violated state and federal laws aside from that.

If a law firm regularly collects on debts, they can be defined as a debt collector under federal and quite a few state laws. Some states even have laws that state an attorney can either practice as a debt collector OR attorney - not both - when dealing with a debt when it comes to how the law defines them.

Knowing that - check your laws carefully and wait to see if they violate. Talk to an attorney if things get confusing for you (www.naca.net). If they aren't licensed, file a complaint with your Attorney General and state licensing agency.

Good luck!

TiredOfAbuse
 
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TigerD

Senior Member
I live in WA state. A collection agency, or collections law firm, cannot attempt to collect in in my state unless they are licensed to specifically do so. I know this because I sued and won against a collections law firm in California. They weren't licensed, violated state and federal laws aside from that.
So you say you won a lawsuit against a CA in California because they weren't licensed in California?

There is no licensing requirement for CAs in California.

DC
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
I think he's saying he won against a CA from CA (heh) because he lives in WA and they were not licensed in WA.
 

smorr

Member
In my experiences, any firm, whether it be a law firm or another company/firm that is in the business of buying debts from the original creditors, CAN collect the debt from the debtor, provided they are licensed to do business in the state the debtor lives. If you notice most, if not all, debtor letters have a local address to which payments can be sent in the same state the debtor lives. It's very difficult to fight against these people, because they now OWN the account. They are now your creditor and your only creditor. The former creditor is out of the picture at that point. We all know (well we would hope that we all know) the best way to avoid such things is to pay your debts and if you can't, make an effort, however painful it is, to at least call the company and tell them the problem you're having (if you're having an honest problem like unemployment, divorce, etc.). It's too easy to just not answer the phone or make the call on your own accord. I was just as guilty. I ended up claiming Ch. 7. But sure did learn my lesson!!! :(
 
To the Moderator of this forum:

Seeing as how you completly removed the last few postings from this thread AND edited the text in debtcollector`s postings , would you also be so kind as to remove the postings by debtcollector` that obviously do not contribute to the OP's situation? The way they were orginally written berated me, and the freeadvice.com main website has been contacted and notified.

Your unwillingness to eliminate all bad posts shows that this forum is against the consumer, and makes the "free advice" ethic completely unfair for the consumer.

Thank you for your help.
 
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Chien

Senior Member
May I suggest that this thread would benefit more from some critical thinking about our OP and the questions that she posed? It’s just a personal opinion, but it seems to me that this thread got less productive immediately after SJ’s responses, which are neutral and non-judgmental replies to some very odd queries –queries that the OP has now pursued in two posts.

Hypothetical:
I’m an attorney (true). I operate a law firm (also true, although nobody on the Fortune 500 need feel that that their position is jeopardized by me). I own a majority equity interest in a business apart from the law practice (also true, also legal and even less of a threat to the Fortune 500 – for the sake of discussion, let’s say it’s a parcel of commercial real estate).

The business becomes a creditor for a delinquent debt and I’m a commercial debt collector (still staying right within the bounds of reality). I’m the natural first recourse to effect recovery of that debt (not a large or unreasonable leap of logic – I would like to see the business be paid and I understand the mechanics).

Now, we get into a few problems:

Their client is a Business entity they own.

So what?

I have done some research on this and it is vague on the topics of attorney junk buyers.

Junk buyers? Where the H did that come from and what does it have to do with the price of tea in China? Small wonder “it” is vague.

A workshop in DC made mention to this and referred to it as "double dipping".

Same question. I can’t collect debts for companies in which I have an equity interest? What if I also own stock in Ford Motor Company? Do I decline a referral or sell the stock? Worse yet, what if I’m invested in a mutual fund? Do I have to check who it’s invested in? “Double dipping”? C’mon, be serious. Are you suggesting that I encouraged a company to not pay Ford so that I could get a referral?
(But I am starting to get my “Spidey Senses” up about somebody who attends “debt workshops”.)

Can I attempt to fight the law firm since their client is not a collection agency licensed according to NJSA 45-18-1?

SJ says yes and so do I. As a matter of fact, I suspect that Ford isn’t a licensed collection agency anywhere. Could I come up with some hypothetical, which might meet some imaginary criteria? Probably. Did the OP? No.

Knowing that - check your laws carefully and wait to see if they violate. If they aren't licensed, file a complaint with your Attorney General and state licensing agency.

Ok, now we’re back to “Where the H did that come from?” I don’t see anything in the post about who is where.

Now the real problem:
While I’m sure that the OP is a sweetheart and means well, there is no collection agency licensing requirement in NJ. There is a small surety requirement, nothing more, and nothing to indicate that it applies to the law firm.

Your unwillingness to eliminate all bad posts shows that this forum is against the consumer, and makes the "free advice" ethic completely unfair for the consumer.

Irrelevant advice also does that. Research into NJ statutes, including the OP’s citation, might go a long way to addressing that problem for all concerned and encourage similar critical thinking in other consumers.
 

smorr

Member
to Chien

Hi Chien - Question on your response - and just a question. I may have read your response incorrectly, so please don't be too hard on me! :)

You mentioned the following: "I can’t collect debts for companies in which I have an equity interest?" Was this a question in the context of "Please, lets be serious" or is it true? I ask for the reason below.

A collection attorney once went after me with both barrels on a debt that he bought from a credit card issuer, using an entity that he owned as the purchaser of the debt, and his capacity to collect as principal of the collection law firm, the entity of which was based in New York (he also had offices in New York and Massachusetts). Oddly enough, the entity's Massachusetts collecting office was addressed in the same suite as the law firm in Mass. Not just the same building - the same suite! However, when I searched the Massachusetts Secretary of State's Corporate website, I couldn't find the entity and eventually found out that the entity was listed only as being located in New York, and was not licenced to do business in Mass. The attorney was listed as the owner. Was it illegal for him to collect under those circumstances even though he claimed to only represent the entity?
 

carmen55

Junior Member
Double dipping, yes this is what is obviously going on. Can it be proven? We shall see where this goes!!!! What is OP?
 

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