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MA. Speeding at the point of the new limit sign

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scott1ct

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? MA

Was traveling on a road with a 55mph speed limit, at a point ahead, it changed to a 30mph zone due to construction. I was pulled over and told I was going 62 in a 30. He wrote the distance the gun registered me at 629' (just over 0.1 miles). The distance from where he was standing to the sign signalling the change in speed is less than 0.2 miles (went back and odometered it).
CanI argue I wasn't given reasonable time to brake after seeing the sign?
Is this something that can be fought?

I'm not a resident of this state and it was my first time on this road. What are MA laws about going >30mph over the posted limit?

Any help is very much appreciated.
 


scott1ct

Junior Member
correct in it was $320

Will I get a summons to court for being over 30 over the limit in this state? That's the major sticking point as to appealing or paying it and getting a summons with an admission of guilt.

I don't know the laws regarding whether it is the second I pass the new sign stating the speed limit as in violation or if a court will see this as a grey area to give sometime time to slow down.
 

cepe10

Member
It is absolutely a requirment. See the manual on uniform traffic control (MUTCD) which is adopted by MA. In order to be enforced the speed limit has to be posted properly.

See M.G.L. 90-18
No such regulation shall be effective until there shall have been erected, upon the ways affected thereby and at such points as the department and the registrar, acting jointly, may designate, signs, conforming to standards adopted by the department, setting forth the speed or other restrictions established by the regulation, and then only during the time such signs are in place. Any sign, purporting to establish a speed limit, which has not been erected in accordance with the foregoing provisions may be removed by or under the direction of the department.

The 600 ft on his laser reading does mean he measured you 600 ft back from his sitting position.


http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/HTM/2003r1/part6/part6c.htm#section6C04

Section 6C.04 Advance Warning Area

Support:
The advance warning area is the section of highway where road users are informed about the upcoming work zone or incident area.

Option:
The advance warning area may vary from a single sign or high-intensity rotating, flashing, oscillating, or strobe lights on a vehicle to a series of signs in advance of the TTC zone activity area.

Guidance:
Typical distances for placement of advance warning signs on freeways and expressways should be longer because drivers are conditioned to uninterrupted flow.Therefore, the advance warning sign placement should extend on these facilities as far as 800 m (0.5 mi) or more.

On urban streets, the effective placement of the first warning sign in meters (feet) should range from 0.75 to 1.5 times the speed limit in km/h (4 to 8 times the speed limit in mph), with the high end of the range being used when speeds are relatively high. When a single advance warning sign is used (in cases such as low-speed residential streets), the advance warning area can be as short as 30 m (100 ft). When two or more advance warning signs are used on higher-speed streets, such as major arterials, the advance warning area should extend a greater distance (see Table 6C-1).
 

scott1ct

Junior Member
thanks cepe10. Went through some of the link you sent me. Coming from out of state, this is turning into at least 2 days out of work for a lousy ticket. Can the magistrate you have to first go to before the court date dismiss a ticket or can only knock it down in price if I plead guilty?

Still curious if I will get a court summons for speeding over 30mph over posted limit?

Based on the info you posted, the speed limit must be posted from as far back as .5 miles. So if the sign is right at the edge of where he targeted me is that a legal catch, if and only if, the appropriate signs warning of the zone ahead are posted at the appropriate distance?
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Cepe likes this sort of thing. But, based on what Cepe posted, I don't see that your ticket would be invalid...
 

cepe10

Member
thanks cepe10. Went through some of the link you sent me. Coming from out of state, this is turning into at least 2 days out of work for a lousy ticket. Can the magistrate you have to first go to before the court date dismiss a ticket or can only knock it down in price if I plead guilty?

Still curious if I will get a court summons for speeding over 30mph over posted limit?

Based on the info you posted, the speed limit must be posted from as far back as .5 miles. So if the sign is right at the edge of where he targeted me is that a legal catch, if and only if, the appropriate signs warning of the zone ahead are posted at the appropriate distance?
That is not a lawful citation because the officer measured you 600 ft back prior to the contruction zone and the area was not posted properly, there is also a distance thing in MA as well that people have used. So there are three things...

Unless a way is otherwise posted in accordance with the provisions of section eighteen, it shall be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper as aforesaid (1) if a motor vehicle is operated on a divided highway outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding fifty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile

The magistrate can find you not guilty.

Keep in mind you there is not a statute based speed limit at issue here so I don't know if that will required a court appearance or not. I believe it would be criminal if so and not the civil citation...

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/traffic.html
 

Ozark_Sophist

Senior Member
Regardless of where and when you were tagged by the laser, you were speeding, so at most you would be seeking a reduction of the fine. A ticket for 62 in a 55 is $100 and if they find it was a work zone, it is $200.
 

scott1ct

Junior Member
others tagged at the same point I was

Feeling I wasn't alone I looked around for other instances knowing they are using this spot as a revenue builder.
You can see other's experience at this same place falling for the same trap as I. Found this with a simple google of the highway and 'speed trap'. The first link shows the entire process and how they fought it in court.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=19750&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=7c37e1c40ea9e8efe8a5c687d18461a6

http://www.masscops.com/forums/archive/index.php/index.php?t-22680.html
 

keithroane

Junior Member
part 1

I. Intro and Objectives

The following instructions will be provided to qualify the instructor as a certified user and instructor of the instrument:

A – Classroom Instruction 3 – 5 Hours
B – Field Instruction 1 – 2 Hours
C – Field Practice 30 Hours
D – Written Examination 45 Minutes
E – Practical Application Test 1 – 2 Hours

This will give the instructor 40 hours of practice, field instruction, and classroom instruction on the theory and practical application of the LTI 20-20. With this knowledge the law enforcement officer will be well prepared to go forward and use the instrument, train other law enforcement personnel to properly use the instrument, and provide testimony in court as to the validity of the instrument.

II. Technical Discussion Of The LTI 20-20

A Laser

Light is a form of electromagnetic radiation, the same as radios and microwaves. The difference is that light has a much lighter frequency than a radio or microwaves. The light emitted by a laser is no different than that emitted by any other source, but a laser has a unique method of generating light.

The word laser is actually an acronym that stands for “Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.” In its simplest form, a laser is made by sandwiching a piece of active material, the lasing medium, between two mirrors.

The two mirrors and the lasing medium form an optical resonator that allows the generation of laser light. The atoms of the lasing medium are put into an excited state by an external energy source; that is they are made to store some of the energy.

The atoms can be made to give up this stored energy as a light wave when another light wave interacts with the atoms. By making sure that the two mirrors are positioned exactly the right distance apart, the light that bounces back and forth forms a standing wave.

Under these conditions, the light waves emitted by the atoms of the lasing medium combine to increase the strength of the standing wave. Just having the light going back and forth in the optical resonator is not particularly useful in itself. So one of the mirrors is designed to allow a portion of the light to escape.

Lasers can be made from a great many different materials including solids, liquids, and gases. Also, the design of the optical resonator and the method of exiting and lasing mediums can vary widely. Yet, whatever form the laser takes, the light is generated by the same basic mechanism.

The type of laser used in the LTI 20-20 is an infrared semiconductor laser diode. The laser diode had several important properties that make it ideal for speed measurement purposes:

The laser diode emits a narrow one of radiation from a very small area. This
allows the light to be cellinated into the very narrow beam that gives the LTI 20-20 its pin point targeting ability.

The laser diode switches on and off extremely quickly, typically in less than
One billionth of a second. This gives the LTI 20-20 its superior accuracy.

Like all lasers, the laser diode emits only a very narrow band of frequencies.
This allows the detector to be “Tuned” to the exact wavelength of the laser diode. This is why the LTI 20-20 can operate during daytime when there is a lot of background radiation from the sun. (The instrument only “Sees” the laser light; all other radiation is filtered out.)

The laser diode emits in the infrared position of the electromagnetic
Spectrum, so it is invisible to the human eye and cannot be a distraction to operation of vehicles.

Diagram of Laser vs. Radar

US Department of
Commerce national institute of
Standards and technology National
Engineering Laboratory
Boulder, Colorado

Laser Radar Gun
LTI 20-20
With
Focusing Lens Assembly

Submitted By:
Laser Technology Incorporated
Englewood, Colorado 80112

Page 1 of 3

Test No. 812420
Date of Report: February 21st 1991

III. Location and Function of the Instruments Components

1. Led Read Out

Displays speed of vehicle coming or going from instrument. Also displays target range in feet utilizing speed 1 range function.

2. Test Mode

Verifies that all numeric segments of the display are operable. Allows user to check alignment of scope and laser beam providing absolute certainty that the laser is on target.

3. Display Intensity

Display is adjustable for maximum versatility in extreme light conditions.

4. Timing Mode

Allows user to utilize a time over distance function of speed measurement.

5. Sighting Scope

Scope incorporates a red dot to pin point the target vehicle while still providing the user plenty of field view to visually identify the vehicle being monitored.

Speed Range

The LTI 20-20 measures target vehicle speed and also provides target range measurement capabilities.

Easy Replacement Fuse

Located in the plug, provides absolute surge protection.

IV. Sighting Scope

Scope Alignment

Scope alignment is set at the factory. The only reason the scope might ever end up out of alignment would be from a heavy blow. Since verification of proper alignment is critical to instrument operation, a test has been incorporated into the instrument. By following this test procedure periodically, the operator of the instrument can verify that the instruments light beam is hitting the sighted target.

Scope Alignment Test

Put the instrument in test mode by pressing the test button on the back panel of the instrument. The display will rend “t t”.

The instrument will emit an audible tone when the instruments trigger is depressed which will change pitch when the laser beam acquires a target. (A
telephone pole is an excellent target because you can aim the instrument sky
ward eliminating anything in the background to interfere with the test.)

Which scanning across the telephone pole, the highest pitch or “On Target”
tone will be heard when the instruments laser beam is hitting the telephone pole. At this point the scope’s red dot should be centered on the test target (Telephone Pole.) This same procedure should be followed both vertically and horizontally. This test insures the accuracy of the LTI 20-20’s targeting mechanics.

~ Check alignment at the scope.

~ What would cause the scope to need realignment?

~ How often should the alignment be checked?
 

keithroane

Junior Member
part 2

Realignment of Scope

Remove the elevation and wind age caps. Put the laser speed detector in target
mode.

With the laser rested on a solid support, sight a small target at least 700 feet
(230 Meters) away, by scanning the laser unit until you hear the “On Target”
(High Pitched Tone) both horizontally and vertically.

Sight through the scope and use the elevation and wind age adjustment screws
to move the red aiming dot to the same target.

~ To move the point of impact up, turn the elevation adjustment screw up and
down to adjust as needed.

~ To move the point of impact to the left, turn the wind age adjustment screw
left and right as needed.

Use the laser speed detector’s test mode to double check the new alignment.

Replace the elevation and wind age caps.

Scope Filter

The scope filter is the ring located on the front of the scope. By turning the filter
clockwise you can adjust the brightness and contrast for changes in lighting
conditions. The scope can be darkened for extremely bright conditions and
should be adjusted to allow maximum light when light conditions are poor.
During darkness, to eliminate the annoyance of light glare, the filter should be
adjusted to soften the view through the scope.

This gives the operator maximum versatility during extreme light conditions. Please note: The laser should never be aimed directly into the sun. Aiming the laser into the sun could melt the laser diode and could injure the operator’s site.

When adjusting the adjustment screw up, does this move the dot up or does it move the target up?

Brightness Contrast

The red dot used for sighting can be adjusted for intensity and size by adjusting the display control knob. By adjusting the red dot intensity and the scope filter, the optimal setting can be achieved to fulfill a variety of lighting requirements for speed and distance measurements, day or night. The operator will also notice that when the display intensity is reduced to lower levels, the display disappears before the scope’s red dot does.

~ Have the instructor/student adjust the red dot for size and intensity.

~ Choose your needs through individual adjustments.

~ When display intensity is reduced, remember your display will disappear before
the red dot.

V. Tests and Checks

The LTI 20-20 has been programmed to give the user the ability to test and check each aspect of the instrument that would have an effect on the accuracy and or the proper and efficient use of the instrument.

Test Incorporation

~ Self test

~ Display test

~ Scope alignment test

~ Calibration test

Self Test

When the instrument is initialized it puts itself through a self check. The instruments microcontroller interrogates each circuit board. If every thing tests positive the instruments display will form “8.8.8.8” to a blank display. If the instrument does not test positive, error 50-55 will be displayed. Double check your power source, if the power source is not the problem, contact a LTI 20-20 service center for assistance.

Display Test

To test that all segments of the display are functioning properly, press the “Test” button and keep it pressed. When this button is pressed, all segments of the display will light up with “8.8.8.8”. If any segments of the display are not functioning properly, a flaw will be evident in one of the numbers displayed. If there is a problem, the display will have to be replaced.

Scope Alignment Test

This test is designed to insure that the light beam of the laser is directed precisely where the red dot of the scope indicates. If the scope is out of alignment, the light beam will not hit the target vehicle and the patrolman will get an error message when trying to target any other vehicles. This test should be performed before each shift begins to insure proper and efficient use of the instrument. A detailed description of this test is provided in section IV. 1.

Calibration Test

Since the laser is not a radio frequency there is nothing in the instrument that can drift out of frequency. The speed calculations are referred to a crystal control time base which is guaranteed to have less than 100 parts per million (PPM) errors over the full operation temperature of the instrument. Yet, because it is necessary to verify, calibration has been incorporated into the instrument. It is suggested that the patrolman verify the calibration before starting a shift. There are several methods to accomplish this, three are listed below:

Fixed distance zero velocity check. In a convenient location establish a permanent known distance between two stationary points. For uniformity, the distance used should be 175 feet. If space is not available this distance is not an absolute requirement. To ensure the accuracy of the fixed distance, use a mental tape. The target should be a sign, pole, wall, or other permanent structure. On the target paint a bull’s eye or a mark to aim at. Measure 175 feet from the target and mark the designated point with an X painted on the pavement. This painted X is where the laser operator will always stand to test for verification of calibration. The orientation of the target surface should be perpendicular to the laser beam. To verify calibration a horizontal distance should be used. A slope distance, depending on the angle, will travel a longer distance. A distance measured to the base of a 30 foot light pole, of 175 feet is a measurement. The distance measured from the same point to the top of a 70 foot light pole, is a slope measurement, and would be 2.5 feet longer than a ground or horizontal measurement. Check laser accuracy by having the operator stand on the painted X and aim at the target. Pull the trigger and acquire the target. A 0 miles per hour speed measurement should be displayed. Pressing the speed 1 range button will switch to the range mode and will display the current distance, plus or minus one foot. There are two causes of the plus or minus one foot result. Holding the instrument at different locations, either in front of, or behind, the painted X and by the rounding of displayed ranges. A precise measurement is needed, carefully position the instrument over the painted X. By verifying the ranging and timing accuracy of the instrument with the above tests, the true elements used to measure velocity are checked. A 0 miles per hour speed measurement shows verification of the instrument timing accuracy. A 0 miles per hour reading of a stationary target is identical in nature to obtain accurate speed reading of a moving vehicle at all speeds. Therefore, calibration verification is complete.

Delta Distance Velocity Check

In a convenient location, establish permanent known. Distances between three points that form a line. For uniformity, and distances used should be 150 feet and 175 feet. If space is not available these distances are not absolute requirements.

Each time an LTI 20-20 us out of duty, they will go through the following test procedure:

A –
B – 8.8.8.8
C –
D – “t d 2”
E – 174 175 o 176
F – 1 MPH for every 6 inches

This test includes checks on the instrument ranging accuracy and on its timing accuracy which are the 2 elements that calculate velocity.

We know if distance and time clocks in the instrument are functioning properly then it will accurately measure velocity.

Confidence Check

10 degree round angle. Adjust red dot for size and intensity. Choose your own lighting requirements for your needs through individual adjustments.

When display intensity is reduced, your display will disappear before the red dot.

If something is wrong with the display, what procedures are required?

Main test suggested for verification of calibration.

Explain the methods of calibration that can be done in a moving vehicle.

Set Up Preparations

Clear line.

Setting up to minimize angular or cosine effect.

Set up so that the instrument is shooting out of or through a side window other than a wind shield.

Line of Sight

0.3 seconds.

Angular – Cosine Coincide

Name three items that should always be considered in setting up for use of the LTI 20-20.

Why should you avoid using laser through a wind shield?

If shooting through a window, what procedure is suggested?

Is the angular effect on a laser the same or different from radar?

Setup so the laser is as close to the road as possible.

How do you know when the instrument has acquired a reading?

How can multiple readings be acquired?

What hard ware and soft ware has been incorporated into the instrument that makes it very difficult to produce an error free reading?

E 1
E 2
E 3
E4
E 50-55

If vehicle is out of range, it makes a buzzing noise.

Keep trigger pulled.

As soon as the vehicle comes into range the LTI 20-20 will produce a reading.

For the laser to measure distance, it is necessary that the section of read between the two reference points to be straight.

Operational Sequence – Method One

Press the timing mode button.

Sight the laser.

Press the timing mode button.

Press it again.

Method Two

This form of speed, takes an average speed of the vehicle over a distance, not the peak speed.

The larger the object, the longer the range.

Ranging Differences

Brightness of color

Finish – Shiny vs. Dull

Mass

Shape

Angle orientation

What are the characteristics of a target that will affect the maximum range of the LTI 20-20?

Why is the car further away?

What is the range accuracy of the LTI 20-20?

Maintenance

What is the proper procedure to take, if the LTI 20-20 gets wet?

Is it necessary to clean the unit before it is stored?

How should you clean the front lens? (Carefully)
 

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