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calitogeorgia

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? CA
Have 85% custody of 6 yr old. Divorced for 3 years. Child attends brand new school now. Father at times does not have child during his time (every weekend). Plans with new girlfriend or father has music gig deter him from seeing his child. Father has no discipline action sufficient enough for child, they yell at eachother consistantly. Father at times calls to have child picked up early or drops off child early as a form of discipline. I am remarrying next year to man in military, soon to retire, moving to his home (bought and paid for) in GA. Child to go to fathers during summer, have another child here as well as fiance does. Holidays alternate. Father will be allowed all the calls he wants with child, will make sure father is updated on everything with child. Any idea of the chances of the courts modifying this to happen?
 


Zephyr

Senior Member
how is taking the child away from his dad to move all the way across the country to live with a virtual stranger in the best interests of the child?

why doesn't the guy in GA sell his house and move to Cali?
 

nextwife

Senior Member
Yeah, that REALLY makes more sense. Have him move to you, since he's moving anyway. That's what my husband did, he moved to me so I could continue to be where my family obligations are.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Ditto the other two responses. Your main squeeze can move his own self to your area to allow the kisd to maintain their current relationship with their father.
 

calitogeorgia

Junior Member
RE: CA to GA move

I noticed how everyone is targeting at my fiance. Funny! This man has been in my life for 15 years, best friend. He has met both of my kids and is very much involved in their lives as well.. His ex is remarried and in the military and that is why his ex and child are here. My childs father has basically had nothing to do with the parenting part of raising our child, he has been the "buying childs love and affection" parent. Our custody is mom - 85% custodial w/ full legal custody and dad is 15% non-custodial. We both have the right to move 100 miles away. He has not been active with school, health or looking at the relatiionship between the two. He has been focused on the relationship he is establishing with his new g-friends son. My fiance has an established life in GA with a home and family. I have been looking at moving from this state as well. I have the ability to move with a job that would allow me to stay at home with child. Unfortunate to say but CA is not a state in which to raise your child and think he/she will have a grand education. This state's morals and values are a bit off kilter.
 

snostar

Senior Member
Since you have physical custody of the child you have the presumptive right to change the children's residence. The courts will not interfere with that decision unless the move is detrimental to the child. You must provide notice to the father 45 days in advance of the move by mail and request a return receipt.
 

haiku

Senior Member
calitogeorgia said:
I noticed how everyone is targeting at my fiance. Funny! This man has been in my life for 15 years, best friend. He has met both of my kids and is very much involved in their lives as well..

****He still isn't DAD****

His ex is remarried and in the military and that is why his ex and child are here.

***Ummm so he is leaving his own kids too...how does that help your case?...****

My childs father has basically had nothing to do with the parenting part of raising our child, he has been the "buying childs love and affection" parent. Our custody is mom - 85% custodial w/ full legal custody and dad is 15% non-custodial.

***He is an NCP with weekend visitation, what do you expect? *****

We both have the right to move 100 miles away. ***thats not GA.***

He has not been active with school, health or looking at the relatiionship between the two. He has been focused on the relationship he is establishing with his new g-friends son.

**Hearsay, and not relevant****

My fiance has an established life in GA with a home and family. ***didn't you say his kids are in CA.?****

I have been looking at moving from this state as well. I have the ability to move with a job that would allow me to stay at home with child. Unfortunate to say but CA is not a state in which to raise your child and think he/she will have a grand education. This state's morals and values are a bit off kilter.

***Well that attitude, will make the state of CA. thrilled to send your kid to GEORGIA!!! LOL****
lets see if any of the California experts weigh in with you......
 

snostar

Senior Member
haiku said:
lets see if any of the California experts weigh in with you......
If you do a search here, IAAL has covered this extensively....she will likely be granted to move unless Dad can prove she is doing it purposefully to interfere with the parent/child relationship.
 

snostar

Senior Member
Excerpt from one of many citing CA Code:https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=131223&highlight=california+relocation
"California Family Code section 3024 - -

"In making an order for custody, if the court does not consider it inappropriate, the court may specify that a parent shall notify the other parent if the parent plans to change the residence of the child for more than 30 days, unless there is prior written agreement to the removal. The notice shall be given before the contemplated move, by mail, return receipt requested, postage prepaid, to the last known address of the parent to be notified. A copy of the notice shall also be sent to that parent's counsel of record. To the extent feasible, the notice shall be provided within a minimum of 45 days before the proposed change of residence so as to allow time for mediation of a new agreement concerning custody. This section does not affect orders made before January 1, 1989."

The § 3024 notice provision is not mandatory (the statute simply clothes the court with discretion to order advance move-away notice); and § 3024 neither expressly nor impliedly limits a custodial parent's presumptive right to relocate with the children under Ca Fam § 7501. [Marriage of Burgess, supra, 13 Cal.4th at 37, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d at 453, fn. 9 (disapproving Marriage of Carlson, supra, 229 Cal.App.3d at 1336-1337, 280 Cal.Rptr. at 844-845, to extent it concludes otherwise)]

A fortiori, the Burgess interpretation of § 3024 seems implicitly to overrule case law construing § 3024 as requiring 45 days' advance notice in all move-away cases even if there is no court order so directing (Marriage of McGinnis (1992) 7 Cal.App.4th 473, 478, 9 Cal.Rptr.2d 182, 185-186 (disapproved on other grounds in Marriage of Burgess, supra, 13 Cal.4th at 38, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d at 454, fn. 10)).

By statute, the parent with physical custody of the children has the presumptive right to change the children's residence - - i.e., to move away with the children; courts will not interfere with that decision (enjoining the relocation or changing custody) unless the move is detrimental to the child. "A parent entitled to custody of a child has a right to change the residence of the child, subject to the power of the court to restrain a removal that would prejudice the rights or welfare of the child." [Ca Fam § 7501; Marriage of Burgess (1996) 13 Cal.4th 25, 32, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d 444, 449; see Marriage of Biallas (1998) 65 Cal.App.4th 755, 762, 76 Cal.Rptr.2d 717, 721--reversible error not to consider custodial parent's presumptive right to change child's residence]

In accordance with Ca Fam § 7501, the dispositive issue in move-away cases is not whether the custodial parent should be permitted to move but, rather, whether, on account of the relocation a change of custody to the other parent is essential for the child's welfare. [Ruisi v. Thieriot, supra, 53 Cal.App.4th at 1203, 62 Cal.Rptr.2d at 769; see Marriage of Edlund & Hales (1998) 66 Cal.App.4th 1454, 1473, 78 Cal.Rptr.2d 671, 683-684--custody evaluator had mistaken belief it was realistic option to have parents remain in close proximity in move-away case]

Absent evidence that the relocation is intended simply to frustrate the other parent's contact with the children, the trial court need not "second-guess" the underlying reasons for the move. Courts are "not required to inquire further into the wisdom of [the move-away parent's] inherently subjective decisionmaking." [Marriage of Burgess, supra, 13 Cal.4th at 36, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d at 452 (brackets added); Marriage of Bryant, supra, 91 Cal.4th at 793, 110 Cal.Rptr.2d at 795; see Marriage of Edlund & Hales, supra, 66 Cal.App.4th at 1470-1471, 78 Cal.Rptr.2d at 682--so long as "sound, good faith reasons" for move exist, trial court may not question custodial parent's judgment in requesting relocation]

There are no "bright line rules" for assessing prejudice to the children. Although the child's interest in continuity of placement with the primary caretaker will most often prevail (below), trial courts may consider the nature of the child's existing contact with both parents (including de facto custody arrangements) and the child's age, community ties, and health and education needs. Where appropriate pursuant to Ca Fam § 3042(a), the court must also take into the account the child's preferences. [Marriage of Burgess, supra, 13 Cal.4th at 39, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d at 454]

For example, the fact Mother had been the children's primary caregiver and they had previously been away from Father for nine months weighed heavily in a decision permitting Mother to relocate the children to Australia. There was "little continuity or stability in the children's lives that would favor maintaining the status quo of two to four days a week" with Father. [Marriage of Condon (1998) 62 Cal.App.4th 533, 553, 73 Cal.Rptr.2d 33, 46-47]

It's always a good idea to follow the California Family Code section 3024 "notice" provisions. This allows the NCP to know where his/her children are residing so that in the event of visitation resumption, the NCP has the option of continuing the parent/child relationship. "
 

haiku

Senior Member
snostar said:
If you do a search here, IAAL has covered this extensively....she will likely be granted to move unless Dad can prove she is doing it purposefully to interfere with the parent/child relationship.
Yes. pretty much I knew that, he covered it a little while ago to be exact. I actualy avoid answering most Ca. posts and leave it to the qualified professionals from California.

And lets face it in most other states the CP will be granted the move too, as long as the proper legal channels are followed.

The only reason I bothered to answer was these posts irk me, when thier main reasons for moving involve how thier new husband/wife is such a better parent then the father/mother is. Even though the father is under no obligation to live up to anyones vision but his own.
 

calitogeorgia

Junior Member
CA to GA

The father and mother both have the obligation to see what is in the best interest of the child. Your "vision" of being a parent should and most likely would be expected to be one of maturity and responsibility. I do not have any expectations from the father and nor do I feel in any way that my current fiance is a better parent. This is my ex's and mines child not my new mans. I, in no way would let or even put down my ex's ability to be a dad, but he lacks in the department of being a father. There is a significant difference ! My main reason for leaving is not because of the other person. I also have done quite a bit of studying myself on the possibility of moving before it was proposed to me. CA education system is failing the students and the excuse of lack of money is a joke. The majoity of students now are homeschooled. The crime rate in this state alone is scary especially when it ranks high among young children. The lack of parental guidence here is another ridiculous topic as well. My work is another reason why I would move, I was given the opportunity to work in a position that covers my degree. So please do not think that I am a statistic when it comes to men and them being ex's. I am not the typical woman. My oldest's father is my good friend as well as his wife (whom he had an affair on me with) I have known his other children since they were born. I am not the type of ex that thinks money money money makes the world go around. Taking on the responsibility of father, being there, understanding, growing, lending a hand, teaching, only a tad bit of some of the expectations.
 

calitogeorgia

Junior Member
Virtual Stranger

I never in anyway or text said my significant other is a stranger to my kids. If my writing was read more clearly it would be seen that I have known him and he is active in my childrens lives. The other issue is that it keeps being mentioned about his kids. He has 1 child and he never GAVE up his child. So I don't think that statement was appropiate. Him and his ex have a great relationship, not only to mention his daughter is a bit older and has an outstanding relationship with her father. That choice and decission is done between the two of them years ago. His ex is also married to military after she retired herself. They are only in this state for a few years. Their situation works out fine for them.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Where did you ever get the idea that the majority of children in CA are home schooled? SOmehow you believe that education will be better in GA? :rolleyes:
 

calitogeorgia

Junior Member
GA education

I take it that you are an educator? Obviously you have not looked at the statistics of public education in this state of CA vs. GA? Why and how do you think that a child can get a successful education when there are approx. 30 students in a class that is taught by 1 teacher ? I don't think that all children learn on the same level or for that matter have the same learning style. So tell me, how does a child benefit from a public school that is jam packed with kids and only 1 teacher to teach them especially if these kids are all at different levels and need a bit more attention than others ? I cannot afford public school nor a tutor, so where and when as well as how and whom is going to guarantee me that my children will get a great education in the state of CA ? How shocking (not) that teachers are not allowed (per state) to even in the slightest inform the parents that the child should be held back and not only that but you as a parent must petition the school district to hold them back. Out of the cases to date, schools have found it absolutly unnecessary to hold kids back. So let me see, not only are they being pushed through the education system with improper skills for the next grade but they are also now becoming just a number.
 

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