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My sons aunt is threatening to take custody of my children

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Mommabearof2

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I currently reside in North Dakota, and the father of my sons and I were never married. We signed joint custody over 5 years ago, the boys are 12 and 13. They now live with me full time because my ex threw out the 13 year old and then the 12 year old refused to go back to his fathers house. The boys revealed the abuse that was going on at their dads and cps was involved. The childrens Grandma on their dads side likes to show up annanounced at my place. I work a lot and don't allow the children to let anyone in while I'm at work. Their aunt (fathers sister) called my 14 year old and started bashing me to him because I told them not to let anyone in while I'm gone. I called her back to see what exactly and why she said these things and she went on a tirade about how I was sick, unfit to parent and how she was going to have the kids taken from me because I don't allow them to have any visitors. She was quite sure she was guaranteed custody because "she has the means" Im changing our phone numbers and leaving his families numbers out so my kids can call them blocked but I am done dealing with their harassment via phone. How should I deal with this situation? What is my legal recourse? I cant afford an attorney or I would've filed for full custody by now and he hasn't contacted the boys for months.
 


Ohiogal

Queen Bee
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I currently reside in North Dakota, and the father of my sons and I were never married. We signed joint custody over 5 years ago, the boys are 12 and 13. They now live with me full time because my ex threw out the 13 year old and then the 12 year old refused to go back to his fathers house. The boys revealed the abuse that was going on at their dads and cps was involved. The childrens Grandma on their dads side likes to show up annanounced at my place. I work a lot and don't allow the children to let anyone in while I'm at work. Their aunt (fathers sister) called my 14 year old and started bashing me to him because I told them not to let anyone in while I'm gone. I called her back to see what exactly and why she said these things and she went on a tirade about how I was sick, unfit to parent and how she was going to have the kids taken from me because I don't allow them to have any visitors. She was quite sure she was guaranteed custody because "she has the means" Im changing our phone numbers and leaving his families numbers out so my kids can call them blocked but I am done dealing with their harassment via phone. How should I deal with this situation? What is my legal recourse? I cant afford an attorney or I would've filed for full custody by now and he hasn't contacted the boys for months.
So what does the most recent court order state regarding custody and communication with dad and his family?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I currently reside in North Dakota, and the father of my sons and I were never married. We signed joint custody over 5 years ago, the boys are 12 and 13. They now live with me full time because my ex threw out the 13 year old and then the 12 year old refused to go back to his fathers house. The boys revealed the abuse that was going on at their dads and cps was involved. The childrens Grandma on their dads side likes to show up annanounced at my place. I work a lot and don't allow the children to let anyone in while I'm at work. Their aunt (fathers sister) called my 14 year old and started bashing me to him because I told them not to let anyone in while I'm gone. I called her back to see what exactly and why she said these things and she went on a tirade about how I was sick, unfit to parent and how she was going to have the kids taken from me because I don't allow them to have any visitors. She was quite sure she was guaranteed custody because "she has the means" Im changing our phone numbers and leaving his families numbers out so my kids can call them blocked but I am done dealing with their harassment via phone. How should I deal with this situation? What is my legal recourse? I cant afford an attorney or I would've filed for full custody by now and he hasn't contacted the boys for months.
The aunt has no standing to sue for custody of your children. However, if your court orders say that the aunt and grandma have the right to call your child (highly unlikely) then you could be dinged for contempt of court if you block their calls.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
The aunt has no standing to sue for custody of your children. However, if your court orders say that the aunt and grandma have the right to call your child (highly unlikely) then you could be dinged for contempt of court if you block their calls.
HOw do you figure she has no standing to sue for custody?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
HOw do you figure she has no standing to sue for custody?
Under what circumstances WOULD an aunt have standing to sue for custody? The only ones I can think of are circumstances that clearly are not applicable here.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Under what circumstances WOULD an aunt have standing to sue for custody? The only ones I can think of are circumstances that clearly are not applicable here.
Having standing is different than proving her case. THOSE are different things. As an aunt she could sue. North Dakota does not put limits on that. See this discussion:
McAllister v. McAllister, 779 N.W.2d 652, 2010 ND 40 (N.D. 2010)
Supreme Court of North Dakota
March 16, 2010
779 N.W.2d 652
2010 ND 40
Research indicates North Dakota is in the minority of jurisdictions that judicially recognize third-party custody or visitation claims absent legislation. See In re Marriage of Rudsell, 291 Ill.App.3d 626, 225 Ill.Dec. 736, 684 N.E.2d 421, 426 (1997) (" A third party seeking to obtain or retain custody of a child over the superior right of the natural parent must demonstrate good cause or reason to overcome the presumption that a parent has a superior right to custody and further must show that it is in the child's best interests that the third party be awarded the care, custody and control of the minor." ) (emphasis in original); Montgomery County Dept. of Social Servs. v. Sanders, 38 Md.App. 406, 381 A.2d 1154, 1161 (Md.Ct.Spec.App.1977) (" When the dispute is between a biological parent and a third party, it is presumed that the child's best interest is subserved by custody in the parent. That presumption is overcome and such custody will be denied if (a) the parent is unfit to have custody, or (b) if there are such exceptional circumstances as make such custody detrimental to the best interest of the child." ); Tubwon v. Weisberg, 394 N.W.2d 601, 603 (Minn.Ct.App.1986) (" In determining custody of MKT, the court cited Wallin v. Wallin, 290 Minn. 261, 187 N.W.2d 627 (1971), which establishes the standard for awarding custody to third parties over the objection of a biological parent." ); In re Guardianship of Lavone M., 9 Neb.App. 245, 610 N.W.2d 29, 40 (2000) (" A court may not properly deprive a biological or adoptive parent of the custody of the minor child unless it is affirmatively shown that such parent is unfit to perform the duties imposed by the relationship or has forfeited that right; neither can a court deprive a parent of the custody of a child merely because the court reasonably believes that some other person could better provide for the child." ); Bodwell v. Brooks, 141 N.H. 508, 686 A.2d 1179, 1183 (1996) (" Once the superior court has acquired jurisdiction over a custody proceeding between unwed natural parents, it may use its parens patriae power to decide whether the best interests of the child warrants the intervention of a stepfather as an appropriate party in the custody determination." ); K.B. v. J.R., 26 Misc.3d 465, 887 N.Y.S.2d 516, 521 (2009) (" Intervention by the State in the right and responsibility of a natural parent to custody of her or his child is warranted if there is first a judicial finding of surrender, abandonment, unfitness, persistent neglect, unfortunate or involuntary extended disruption of custody, or other equivalent but rare extraordinary circumstance which would drastically affect the welfare of the child." ); McDonald v. Wrigley, 870 P.2d 777, 779 (Okla.1994) (" But courts have long held that statutory language similar to that in § 108 and § 112 is sufficient for a divorce court to award custody of a minor child to a third party when the parents are unfit." ); Jacob v. Shultz-Jacob, 923 A.2d 473, 477 (Pa.Super.Ct.2007) (" Our courts have long held that ‘ [the] rights and liabilities arising out of that relation [in loco parentis] are, as the words imply, exactly the same as between parent and child.’ " ); Middleton v. Johnson, 369 S.C. 585, 633 S.E.2d 162, 167 (S.C.Ct.App.2006) (" The notion of a psychological parent or de facto parent was first recognized

by the South Carolina Supreme Court in Moore v. Moore, 300 S.C. 75, 386 S.E.2d 456 (1989). In Moore, the supreme court found that although a psychological parent-child relationship existed between the child and his unrelated custodians, such a bond was inadequate to support awarding permanent custody to the custodians where the biological parent was fit." ); and Randy A.J. v. Norma I.J., 2002 WI App 307, ¶ 17, 259 Wis.2d 120, 655 N.W.2d 195 (" Wisconsin has recognized the equitable parent doctrine. See J.J. v. R.J., 162 Wis.2d 420, 426-30, 469 N.W.2d 877 (Ct.App.1991). The equitable parent doctrine extends the rights and responsibilities of a natural parent to a nonbiological parent seeking custody or visitation. See id.; see also Atkinson v. Atkinson, 160 Mich.App. 601, 408 N.W.2d 516, 519 (1987). Once a court determines that a party is an equitable parent, there is no distinction between the equitable parent and any other parent; each is endowed with the same rights and responsibilities of parenthood." ).

[¶ 33] At least fifteen states and the District of Columbia have statutes regulating third-party custody or visitation issues. See Alaska Stat. § 25.24.150 (2004); Ariz.Rev.Stat. Ann. § 25-415 (2009); Cal. Fam.Code § 3041 (2007); Colo.Rev.Stat. § 14-10-123.4 (1999); Del.Code Ann. tit. 13, § 8-201 (2009); Ky.Rev.Stat. Ann. § 403.270 (2004); La. Civ.Code Ann. art. 133 (1994); Me.Rev.Stat. Ann. tit. 19-A, § 1653 (2009); Mass. Gen. Laws Ann. ch. 208, § 28 (1998); Miss.Code Ann. § 93-5-24 (2003); Mo. Ann. Stat. § 452.375 (2005); N.C. Gen.Stat. Ann. § 50-13.2 (2009); Or.Rev.Stat. Ann. § 109.119 (2003); S.D. Codified Laws § 25-5-29 (2002); Va.Code Ann. § 20-124.2 (2009); W.Va.Code Ann. § 48-9-103 (2001); D.C.Code § 16-831.06 (2009). The legislation from these jurisdictions runs the spectrum from single sentence statutes to entire chapters. Colo.Rev.Stat. § 14-10-123.4 (1999); D.C.Code § 16-831.06 (2009).
Now note I did not say aunt would win but aunt could sue. Aunt could cost mom money. Aunt could attempt to prove mom unfit. So again, why do you believe aunt does not have standing? Because nothing precludes aunt from suing for custody in North Dakota. Aunt has a right to sue for custody. Aunt has a right to attempt to reach the burden of proving mom and dad unfit and that custody would be detrimental. Aunt could sue.
 

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