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Leahr84

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Virginia
Backround: So my Daughter is Native American. I am not. She was born here in virginia and we lived her for the first 6 months of her life. Then her dad wanted us to move back to his reservation(warm springs, OR). So i figured i would give it a try. well he started drinking all the time which led to us fighting all the time then one night (actually morning) he came home drunk and started pushing me around and yelling at me while i had the baby in my arms. then he threw us out. so i moved back to the only place i could my parents. of course i took the baby with me. Now he keeps telling me how his family says he should just come and take her and if she was there i would never get her back. so i want full custody but im scared to go up against the tribe i don't have very much money and i don't know what my chances are.
I don't drink or do drugs. my daughter is very well taken care of.
her father drinks all the time and has a pretty serious criminal record.
under normal circumstances i would think my chances are great. but since she is native american i don't know. and he seems so confident that he could win custody. like he knows somthing i don't. any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 


rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
How old is your child now? How long did you stay on the reservation? Was paternity ever established? Were you married to the father? If the baby was born and lived the first 6 months in VA they should have jurisdiction, even better if you never established residency in OR. The baby still has 2 parents, but is not necessiarly covered by tribal law when living off the reservation and there is an indian child welfare act to help protect children of Native American descent. Here is a link to Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs Indian Reservation of Oregon http://www.warmsprings.com/ go to the sidebar and click on family services and then CPS/CPS FAQ, while there is a link for legal services, they have yet to build that section of their website. You may make your report of child abuse against the father in the mean time file in VA to establish paternity, custody and child support, this will establish a court of jurisdiction.
 

Leahr84

Junior Member
My daughter is 1 year old. we stayed on the reservation from dec. 10 through the end of march i never had my drivers liscense changed or anything like that. Paternity was established. the tribe insisted on it in order for her to be enrolled. i have already checked out there site. It was not much help. as for thei ndian child welfare act i cant figure out if this applies to our situation since i am her parent not someone trying to adopt her.I am going to the court house to file for custody right now. i'm worried that the tribe will have jurisdiction.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Leahr84 said:
My daughter is 1 year old. we stayed on the reservation from dec. 10 through the end of march i never had my drivers liscense changed or anything like that. Paternity was established. the tribe insisted on it in order for her to be enrolled. i have already checked out there site. It was not much help. as for thei ndian child welfare act i cant figure out if this applies to our situation since i am her parent not someone trying to adopt her.I am going to the court house to file for custody right now. i'm worried that the tribe will have jurisdiction.
That paternity was established and she enrolled in the tribe is separate from your ability to establish custody orders in VA where you have maintained your residency, tempoary stay in OR does not establish jurisdiction or residency. Be sure to bring with you proof of her birth in VA and proof that you have maintained VA residency, if you had been in OR for more than 6 months, it could be a problem. Also the issue of domestic violence should be raised, you will want to file for full custody and child support, leave it to dad to file for visitation, which you can contest asking for various conditions, parenting classes, anger management, substance abuse testing and supervised visitation, he would be responsible for transportation costs although you might ask that the child not be removed from the state because of the flight risk if he were to return to his soverign nation(reservation).
 

Leahr84

Junior Member
I petitioned for custody. but they tell me they can't serve him papers on the reservation. and if he dosn't show up there is nothing they can do. so now i have to just wait and see. but i want to be prepared to take the next step and i have no idea what that should be.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Leahr84 said:
I petitioned for custody. but they tell me they can't serve him papers on the reservation. and if he dosn't show up there is nothing they can do. so now i have to just wait and see. but i want to be prepared to take the next step and i have no idea what that should be.
Do you have any friends who could meet him for lunch off reservation and serve him?
 

Leahr84

Junior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
Do you have any friends who could meet him for lunch off reservation and serve him?
I don not. i don't know anyone who lives over there except his family and they would not be willing to help me
 

Leahr84

Junior Member
now i'm wondering if i can't subpoena him on the reservation can the tribe subpeoena me while i'm off the reservation? Also should i have a lawyer for my custody hearing?
 

4mybabys

Junior Member
Been Down This Road and Won!

I helped my husband win custody of his Native American daughter who was living on the reservation at the time. It was a long hard road. Here are some of the things we learned. I hope they will help.

1. They are a Sovereign Nation and are not obligated to run under our laws. It's like dealing with a foreign country.

2. Because our daughter lived on the rez they had juristiction. I would say go out immediately and start custody in VA. I am in VA, also. You WANT to get this case heard in our courts and NOT theirs.

3. This is why: The rez court we were dealing with had a lawyer to represent mom. We tried to hire our own lawyer but, every lawyer that the rez allowed to opperate in their court had to sign an agreement that they could only represent Native American clients. This meant we could not have legal counsel. This completely scewed things into mom's favor. We had to represent ourselves and the road was very long and very hard. If you get juristiction established in VA it will level the playing field.

4. If, her tribal member status forces you into their court system there are some things you need to prepare for. The rez is a tight small community and chances are those in the courts and those in child protection are relatives of the father. Many will work in the best interest of the Native American adult and not the child. For us, the judge had a direct tie to the family and was making CRAZY decisions. If you don't like the decision you appeal to the Tribal Counsel. For us, 5 of the 7 Tribal Counsel members were related to the mom.

5. Because of the family ties be VERY cautious of the information you share and with whom. We learned this message the hard way. The person assigned to manage our daughter's child protection case was the mother's cousin. All of the abuse and neglect we reported to her was relayed directly to the mother. The family knew all of our moves because I was telling this woman and she was acting like she was really concerned for this child. Not only was she the mom's cousin but, the director of the rez Child Protective services was the mothers aunt. We almost won by default one time because mom did not appear in court. The case worker (cousin) left the court room drove to mom's house and picked her up and drove her back to court. She walked in just minutes before we'd have been awarded custody and asked for a continuance which was granted.

6. Try to make friends with someone on the inside who really cares about what's going on. For us, it was the court clerk who couldn't stand what was going on. She approached us, off the record, and told us the family connections and let us know why we were having such a hard time. If you make those relationships you need to do everything you can to protect that relationship. We didn't go out and say to CPS that we know you are all relatives because so and so said. Had we done that we'd have been in a bad way. Just listen and take steps to protect yourself and that person who is trying to help you.

7. An example of this, we knew cousin was case worker so we contacted our local CPS and explained the situation. We asked them to help us and open a case locally. The first response we received was, they are a sovereign nation and we have no juristiction. They could offer suggestions to the rez CPS but, could not enforce. We told them we understood, explained the dynamics of the relationships with CPS and asked if they could be a 3rd party impartial. If other agencies are looking in they have to justify themselves a bit more. Local CPS agreed and kept in constant contact with us and rez. We started to see small differences in how they were handeling the case.

8. We also, contacted the school our daughter attended. Asked our court clerk contact to let us know of the family relationships at the school and asked who would be the best person to get on our side there. She pointed us to the nun who headed the school. We called and asked about our daughters attendance at school and if she was healthy. She told us there were issue's with lice that she had addressed multiple times and mother did nothing. She told us out of 89 days of school our daughter had missed 76. We asked if she wouldn't mind mailing day a statement of this and proof of attendance. She gladly did and that became KEY info in our case.

9. Document! Document! Document! Document every single person you talk to, date and conversation. I have 2 3" 3 ring binders FULL of information from that case. If you get a letter or any kind of document file it, save it and follow up, if needed.

10. Several requests to the court to change juristiction were denied and many rulings continued to place our daughter at risk. When I felt we had no option but to appeal to Tribal Counsel and knowing we wouldn't win that either, with 5 family members on the board, we became creative in our efforts. I began calling government officials. I called the Governor's office, Senator etc. Even many of the Native American agencies. I would speak with someone on the phone tell them our story and tell them all we wanted was to have juristiction placed in the hands of an impartial system where both families could receive legal counsel. They all wanted to help, said they had no juristiction to mandate what they did but, could be influencial. I was instructed to write a letter to each of these officials. Because I made personal contact, I asked may I send it directly to you and will you make sure this is placed on their desk right away? Most agreed. I wrote my letters and over the next several months MANY outside agencies becgan to contact the tribe and inquire about they way they were handeling this case and requesting them to simply release juristiction.

10. After almost 2 years of diligent effort, one day a letter came in our mailbox from the tribal court. It said, that they were placing our daughter in our temporary custody. That if mom wanted to see her it would be supervised and at her expense. That they were releasing juristiction of this child to the VA courts. I am happy to tell you we now have full legal and physical custody of our beautiful well adjusted daughter.

It can be done but, the road may be long so hang in there!
 

4mybabys

Junior Member
Thank You!

Thank you, I am new to this. Please do let me know why and what you could report so, that I may avoid the same mistake in the future.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
necroposting is answering basically a dead issue, such as this one. The poster left us in 2006. I might "report it" so that an administrator would lock it.
 

4mybabys

Junior Member
Thank you!

Thank you! I went back and re-read the TOS, FAQ's and the Newbies Read this and did not see anything that prevented me from posting this. You just taught me a new term and I appreciate it. The Native American Child heading is what I thought people would look for who needed this information and honestly, until you pointed it out didn't realize I was posting on something so old. I will look for that going forward.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Thank you! I went back and re-read the TOS, FAQ's and the Newbies Read this and did not see anything that prevented me from posting this. You just taught me a new term and I appreciate it. The Native American Child heading is what I thought people would look for who needed this information and honestly, until you pointed it out didn't realize I was posting on something so old. I will look for that going forward.
Posting to dead threads is a waste of time. This site focuses on people that are CURRENTLY experiencing legal issues. Check the dates and if it is older than a couple of weeks don't bother, unless the poster has updated.
 

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