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kingdomkonnect

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What is the name of your state? Georgia

i am not re-inventing the wheel i just invented a new of covering for the wheel. do i need a patent??. i went to the patent website and it is very confusing, let alone the patent search....I nd help, i have a very good product and i want to market it asap
also...i a not rich and really can't afford an attorney...what is the cheapest way to do this
thanks for any help :)
 


racer72

Senior Member
If you can't afford an attorney, you can't afford to produce and market your product either. Start saving some money today.
 
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kingdomkonnect

Guest
I have a major in marketing, therefore the marketing aspect to my product will be done electronically and yes, quite affordably, the production will done AFTER an order is place thereby paying the cost of production.....I understand attorneys have to be paid, I just cen't pay one right now :D
 

divgradcurl

Senior Member
Of course you don't need a patent to market something you invented -- but if you don't have a patent (or haven't applied for one), then you have NO protection -- someone else could see your design and copy it, and you would have no recourse against them.

One other thing -- even though you think you invented something, you may not be the first -- and by marketing the product, you could be infringing on someone else's patent.

There are patent agents and attorneys out there to help individual inventors -- if you want to protect your invention and yourself, talk to one.

I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV.
 
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Veronica01

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If there is a public library close to you, or a campus library, they carry patents and trade marks documentation. The librarian can give you hints about where to start. You will spend some hours searching. I have had this kind of help some years ago. It is very tedious if you do not know how to do it.

It is not sufficient fo find out whether your invention had been patented before. How to style the description of your invention on the patent forms is another thing you should keep in mind. Sometimes lawyers goof. You do not have experience in this business save you are no lawyer. Am I right?

Good luck
 

divgradcurl

Senior Member
My remarks concerning whether or not a product has been patented previously were not directed towards determining the patentability of the invention, but rather towards determining whether the invention would be likely to infringe. If the inventor doesn't care about protecting his own idea, then he doesn't need a patent, -- but he would still want to determine if something like his invention has been patented previously, because if his invention is infringing (or likely to be), he may want to find another way to protect himself legally.

I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but I am a patent agent.
 
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kingdomkonnect

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THANK YOU so much for the advise...I do plan to file a provisional patent....I'm re-searching the Patent database to see if my idea has been patented before...so far it has not....i've been researching this for a while, and I want to be exhaustive to make sure I don't infringe upon someone's patent. what's the difference between a patent & a agent. also...how long after you file a provisional patent can you begin to market your product/ Thanks again for any advice.
 
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kingdomkonnect

Guest
correction, please...what is the difference between a patent attorney and a patent agent? which shld I pursue after I've filed the provisional...also one more thing...how reliable is the patent "software" out there?...Thanks
 
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kingdomkonnect

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p.s. for reference sake...where does one start (and finish) in doing a patent search
 
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kingdomkonnect

Guest
ok...I'm full of ?????????? tonite....
veronica you You will spend some hours searching. I have had this kind of help some years ago. It is very tedious if you do not know how to do it.
How DO you do it because you're right I've spent hours, and I definitely don't want to spin my wheels, if you know what I mean.
 
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marubear

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To the original poster:

First, let me start this off by stating that I'm not a lawyer (yet). I just recently sat for the bar exam in one state and will be sitting for another bar exam in a second state in a few months. However, I am a patent agent and I do have a law degree. In law school, I took a lot of intellectual property courses (just about every single one they offered). So, none of what I say below will be legal advice, except to the extent that I am licensed -- i.e., as a patent agent.

Yes, you can protect your invention with a patent. There are design patents and there are structural (mechanical) patents. With design patents, your claim consists of what you have illustrated in your drawings (that are within your patent application). With a mechanical patent, you have claims consisting of a textual description of how your invention is physically constructed.

Mechanical patents are a type of utility patent. But, a design patent is an ornamental patent. Therefore, you can actually have protection for both. However, for a design patent, the design you wish to protect must be something which is ornamental in nature -- i.e., the shape / structure of what you have invented must not have been primarily dictated by functional considerations.

Getting a patent is a very slow process. It can take anywhere from 3+ years to get a patent granted.

As far as a patent search is concerned, you can: 1) retain a patent agent; 2) retain a patent attorney; or, 3) retain a patent search service to see if your invention is patentable. Initially, though, you can, right away, file for a provisional patent application. Should your invention prove to be patentable (at least based on the patent search), then you can file a continuation application referencing that provisional patent application.

Be sure that you understand the fees involved in obtaining a patent. It's on the order of several thousand dollars. You can go to the USPTO website, <http://www.uspto.gov> to look up the fees for patent filing.

You have to realize that: patent protection does not attach until 3 or 5 years later (after the initial filing) -- sometimes, even more time elapses (especially with biotech patents).

Also, by default, the US Patent & Trademark Office does publish your patent application, fully disclosing your invention to the public after an 18-month waiting period from your initial filing of a regular patent application. Though, from what I've read in Professor Kayton's _Patent Practice_ treatise, you are able to prevent the publication of your patent application if you tell the USPTO that you will not be filing for any international patent protection. The 18-month waiting period is, I think, so that the US complies with the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) for those filing for US patent protection that subsequently wish to file a PCT application to file for patent protection in countries other than the US.

There are other ways to protect your patent in the meantime, prior to obtaining patent protection. The law of trade secrets; some states recognize the protection of ideas (requiring novelty, concreteness, and utility), etc. I would highly suggest that you talk to an IP attorney as far as alternate means of protection in the interim.

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Differences between a patent agent and patent attorney:

1) Patent agents generally hold at least a bachelor of science degree in a science or engineering field. They have also taken and passed the US Patent & Trademark patent bar exam and they have a registration certificate which licenses them to practice before the USPTO in patent matters. (I am one.)

2) Patent attorneys have gone through all of the things that patent agents have, and also generally hold a J.D. in law and have passed the state bar exam in their state.

Patent agents can do everything that patent attorneys can do inside the USPTO. However, patent agents cannot sue for infringement in federal court, for instance. Patent attorneys can.

Patent agents, from what I understand, are cheaper than patent attorneys.

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In terms of marketing your product right away:

I don't know if you'd be asking companies if they have interest in your product or what your approach would be.

Anyway, with a patent, you will have retroactive patent protection once your patent is issued -- i.e., retroactive to the initial filing date of your provisional patent application. However, like I said, the patent won't issue until 3 or more years after your provisional filing.

Is filing a patent really worth it? The last time I looked, it took just $5,000 alone in fees (I looked at the USPTO website) in order to file for a patent. This doesn't include the money you pay someone to do patent searching, asking another person to draw up a patent application and file it for you, etc.
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This is not legal advice, but since I did take a copyright law class and was an RA...this did pop into my mind:

Getting copyright registration for your wheel cover design is relatively cheap. It also protects you from any subsequent infringer (preserves your right to sue for copyright infringement). The Copyright Act of 1976 (the current copyright law in force today) protects a variety of works, including pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works. Getting a copyright registration is relatively straightfoward; the Copyright Office essentially rubber stamps all copyright registration requests. But, the design must not be dictated by function; it must be an original design not dictated by utilitarian considerations. This thought occurred to me after looking at this web page (which you might want to look at): <www.kenyon.com/pdf/26225.pdf>

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Also, there is the federal law of trade secrets (specifically, trade dress) -- (Two Pesos, Inc. v. Taco Cabana, Inc., 505 US 763 (1992)), state law of ideas (e.g., Lueddecke v. Chevrolet Motor Co., 70 F.2d 345 (8th Cir., 1934), etc. (state law protecting ideas -- some states recognize this; some states don't, at least that's what my IP professor would say). In other words, there are other avenues of protection, at least in theory, that are available to you now as opposed to waiting for the issuance of a patent. These laws might protect you until the patent eventually issues.

However, you might want to think about whether your invention will be marketable by the time the patent issues -- it may or may not be worth the wait.


Good luck.
 
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kingdomkonnect

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Thank you, now this is good advice, I see now there are other options, as in the course of my research (as a novice) patenting is very tedious, expensive, and complex. I would be interested in further talking w/ you ( for a fee of course)....pls send info to [email protected]
 

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