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Nj Landlord Sec Dep Violation!!!!!

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THEDRAGON

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nj tenant, senior (71) renting same apartment in a 33 unit rent controlled (5% max/yr) complex, no owner living on property, annual signed lease since moving in 10/1973. 73 owned by individual who made tenants pay in cash for all rents/sec dep/+ increases directly to onsite super a written receipt given. in 1977 title tranferred to a corporation. 1975-1983 rents etc then pd by check to corp & picked up by diff person until he was reported missing & yrs later declared dead. a daughter inherited property & just happens to be a partner in the property management co for complex. in march 2001 mgmt co informed tenant they had no rcrd of her ever giving a sec dep & demanded 1-1/2 mths. tenant had pd a 1mth sec dep in 9/1975 but like most, thought recrds only needed to be kept for 7 yrs. so tenant could not prove pymts made, but an entry in the super's log bk for $164.45 dated 9/1975 for her was found, they finally accepted this but only gave tenant a cr of $55.55 for accurred int for 1975-2001. what a joke!
on 6/1/01 tenant informed owner (via certfd mail) that they were in violation of the nj permanent statues title 46 property 48:8-19 law & tenant was applying the remedy prescribed by the sec dep law the credit amount due tenant, $732.11 (used aver of 5% per yr) would be deducted from rents until cr was pd in full (june & part of july's rent was affected) & that the current owner could never ask tenant again for a sec dep. they never would comment or acknowledge this law & returned july's ck stating partial pymts not accepted & demanded pymt for past due rents + late fees. wks later tenant sent another ck for july for same amt & it was accepted. tenant doesn't remember orig rent & sec dep amts pd but found a copy of ck written 10/15/81 for the sec dep incr ($13.29) tenant always pd the asked annual rent incr from 74-present & on sec dep incr, tenant pd asked amt starting in 1974 up to 1982, they never asked again until 3/2001. tenant's current lease ends 4-30-2002 & currently pays $529.20/mth for rent.
tenant recd a summons to appear in the special civil part court on 10/18/01 from owner for past due rents + late chrgs. the summons was dated 9/25 & just put thru tenants mail slot 11 days later. No attempt was ever made to deliver in person.
Is it legal to wait 11 days and also not hand deliver to defendant?
Who has the burdon of proof for pd amts?
Can tenant counter sue for all costs incurred due to this dispute,
& possibly for harrassment, pain & suffering?
tenant has an excellant record, always pays on time, quiet, clean & never complains. my mother has no family in nj, limited income, high blood pressure & VERY frightened to appear in court. I wrote all letters for her so far but I am in calif & unable on such short notice to go to court with her. I believe the owner broke the law and is hoping she will move out because rent could then be increased greatly. a few mths ago I spoke w/an attrny at legal aid & he confirmed what I stated about the law but they are limited to # of cases they can take. The onsite super. will not help my mother & verify that she moved there in 1973 not 75 as stated by them or with anything else re this matter, he doesn't want to lose his job or apartment. I believe an answer to this summons can be done by filing the necessary form with her statement about charges but this has to be in the court on Monday 10/15! what do you think of this approach?
Can tenant pay amount asking so she doesn't have to appear in court next thursday and then counter sue for those amounts at a later date & anything else?

NEED ADVISE ASAP! THANK YOU.
 


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happy&lucky

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This is long and involved...but there is one thing YOUR MOTHER MUST DO:

SHE MUST APPEAR IN COURT AT ALL TIMES.

Do not ASSUME anything, DO NOT belive the landlord DO NOT think paying the money is all she has to do.

She MUST appear in Court an BE ON TIME...there is NO EXCUSES... unless she is in intensive care.

THEN YOU OR A LAWYER must be there to ask for a continuance!

Do you get my point? Someone MUST be there in COURT at the appointed time.... or she LOSES by default!
 
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THEDRAGON

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NJ Landlord sec dep violation

Thank you happy&lucky for your quick response to my plea, much appreciated. Your warnings are well founded & I agree. We have decided to use one of our options and file an "Answer" to the complaint (10/15) giving our side & await the decision.
I will post again when we get to the next step, maybe our situation can help someone else....thanks again.
Also, if anyone else has any advise, comments or information - would love to read it!
thedragon

p.s. long & involved....you should have seen it before I edited it!
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happy&lucky

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Make sure you make a copy and get it stamped by the court.....

Someone MUST hand in the answer in person...hence getting a time/dated and stamped copy to show it was filed ON TIME.

Then they will give your mom a court date in which she MUST appear, and be on time....NO excuses...unless she is dying in the hospital ...no kidding

Now,Im not exactly sure why it matters if she moved in in 1973 or 75? UNLESS you have some rent control laws as here in NYC, where if you were living in the apartment on june 30 1971, you are rent controlled.

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PS. i think i got it, she dedcuted the supposed interest for all those years off her rent....And they filed for eviction......

VERY VERY VERY BAD MOVE on her part.

Dont you know WELFARE is not a right anymore???? And your mother is being given WELFARE in the form of a VERY below market rate apartment, and instead of being gratefull she is NOT in a nursing home or a burden to you, she gives you the middle finger so she will be evicted and YOU will have to take care of her....NICE MOM!

Think about what she did and how dumb it was...( risking her HOME and YOUR home and YOUR mental well being over WHAT?... $732!

So, Please.... Just pay what the landlord asks IN FULL,. AND in front of the JUDGE... and they wont be able to evict her.
 
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THEDRAGON

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you are so wrong........

The interest was NOT deducted for 73-75, even though it should have been, bringing it up didn't have too much meaning.
We have NEVER wanted more than what was fair & just by the law, which was expressed to all parties from the beginning. This whole mess is based on total greed by the owners. How the owner of this property ended up with a rent controlled property is not my concern and THEY should be grateful to have a tenant who ALWAYS pays on time, NEVER complains even when justified & never bothers anyone.
The FACTS are that the owners have completely violated the law & continue to NOT abide by it. Also, security deposits & the interest is the TENANTS PROPERTY - NOT THE LANDLORD/OWNER'S. These monies are only held in trust by them and they CAN NOT do as they please. Would you let someone do this to you or your mother without putting up a fight?
 
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happy&lucky

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You have to look at it this way, YOUR mother gave the landlord PLENTY of ammunition to evict her.

Is that a bright idea? Of corse not!

And the landlord was NOT asking for money but a DEPOSIT! money that would be returned when she vacates or dies.

She should have say no tto the month and a half deposit , and go to court and a judge would have probably ruled in her favor since they also had no proof she didnt pay....records were missing.

But what did this greedy old woman do? try and stiff the landlord for $732, well get ready to call her roommie unless she pays everything in cash or bank certified check before a trial has been set.

If the judge is smart he would figue $732+164 is $896....hmmm 28 years 12 months= 336 months...HMMM a whopping $2.50 A MONTH overcharge for all those years...

Now... DO you see what trouble she is in?
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PS: they would be A LOT nicer to your mom if she was paying $1500 a month in rent!

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And almost everybody who uses this Law is to get out of paying the last month or two of rent WHEN THEY VACATE........because they dont trust the landlord!
 
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THEDRAGON

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Dear Happy&Lucky,
You have totally missed the point and the real issue of this matter. When I found this forum the other night for the first time & posted my plea I was hoping to get good sound advice. Instead I get advice & comments from a person who appears to be downing a little too much vino, BEFORE, DURING & AFTER. Hey something is blurring your senses AND typing skillls! You may want to rethink living up to the "happyidiot" title. I limit or remove all contact with negative people so I am ending this interesting experience with you. After it's posted I will NOT look for your reply or EVER return to this site again.
I do hope you will find inner peace someday.
 
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happy&lucky

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Too bad I gave you great advice......

You mom may be evcited this week..and you think a tenant can just deduct the supposed damages coming up with some figure out of thin air....

This is for a judge to decide....NOT your mother!

I think it would be a miracle is she is allowed to stay in her home without paying the landlord back.
 

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