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talons55

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? GA

A buyer agreed to purchase items from me at an online auction site, but did not meet the terms as agreed. He claims he mailed cash (not accepted) and that was after the payment due window had expired. Now I get a letter from a magistrate court that a hearing will happen to determine if a warrant will be issued for my arrest. He's looking for money that he had no reason to send after breaching the contract. The amount does not even cover the original bill What are my best options please?
 


SnowCajun

Member
By using the word 'claims', I assume that the OP didn't receive any payment at all.
I'm not sure I get it, this guy says, "He claims he mailed cash (not accepted) and that was after the payment due window had expired." talons55, did you get the mail and return it to the sender or what? You say it wasn't accepted, which makes it sound to us like you may have received it but returned it, but then again you're not really very clear here, I think you need to spell it out a little better for us. This person should have never sent you cash via the mail anyway, was there a signature required if it did arrive? Also, if you sent it back do you have a receipt showing it was returned, I guess we're all hung up on your "wasn't accepted" statement, that's too vague!

You say, "He's looking for money that he had no reason to send after breaching the contract.", I think right now it's not so much his breaching the contract as his ability to prove whether or not you received his money, and if he actually truly did send cash to you and you actually received it! I'm not sure how he could prove he sent cash anyway. He could have sent an empty envelope with a return receipt or adult signature required, yet that doesn't prove there was cash in the envelope!

Is this guy in the same state as you are? This really sounds bizarre, especially when you tell us, "Now I get a letter from a magistrate court that a hearing will happen to determine if a warrant will be issued for my arrest., They have to have proof to arrest you! I'm trying to figure out how a magistrate has even gotten involved in this unless this guy has some sort of proof positive against you. Tell us the reset of the story please!

SnowCajun
 

CraigFL

Member
Here's the way I read it.... The OP offers something for sale with the condition that the payment must be made by a certain time after the end of the auction and the payment must be made in a certain way but NOT cash. So buyer(winning bidder) doen't meet the payment date(he's late) and says he sends CASH which isn't one of the ways the OP will accept a payment.

Now buyer says OP is keeping his cash...


We need to know if the buyer actually sent you anything -- cash, envelope only, etc...

If the OP didn't get the envelope, it's likely that this is a scam. Usually the scam woks from the other side where seller sends empty box to buyer so this might be the one where a buyer can scam a seller. It's likely the buyer will be claiming mail fraud and say the OP agreed to cash.
 

talons55

Junior Member
Hello everyone, thank you for your help!

The buyer from another state has a delivery confirmation number showing an envelope was delivered to my zip code. No signature or address and the shipped date was after the auction payment 'due by' date had elapsed.

What I meant by "not accepted" was payment was listed as due by credit card or money order, but he claims to have sent cash.

The amount he claims to have sent does not even cover his purchase price on the contract.

The magistrate notice lists the amount claimed and venue, but not the item number. So technically, how am I supposed to prepare a defense? Quite honestly this guy has been so annoying with voice mails and emails demanding product and money that I'd like to return the favor. Can I delay the court date because of insufficient details to prepare? Can I refuse to appear out of safety concerns because I think he's unstable? Can I sue for breach of contract, harassment, false police report, etc? I already reported this to his local police and they basically said he's so annoying I should pay him off to go away! They didn't seem to actually fill out the paperwork though. Is it stupid to show up without a lawyer? I have no experience with such proceedings which makes the whole situation intimidating to me.

I have no idea why is initial complaint wasn't laughed out of the precinct for stupidity and lack of evidence.
 

SnowCajun

Member
The buyer from another state has a delivery confirmation number showing an envelope was delivered to my zip code. No signature or address and the shipped date was after the auction payment 'due by' date had elapsed.
Our USPS delivery person so regularly puts our mail in someone else's box it's not even funny, but I live in an apartment setting, I don't know if that's your case or not. Without your signature how can he prove you actually received the envelope in the first place? Secondly, what amount is he claiming he sent, sorry if I'm being curious but it surprises me that police would tell you to "pay him off so he'll go away?" If the amount is that small and you're truly worried about your safety maybe that advice was good!

What I meant by "not accepted" was payment was listed as due by credit card or money order, but he claims to have sent cash.
Ask him to provide you with proof that he actually sent cash and that you personally received it in your hands? Of course how could he do that? That's the same thing he'll have to prove to the judge also, how can he prove he sent it and you got it? You said the delivery receipt showed it was delivered to your zip code, well many thousands of people live in my zip code area, without a signature how can he prove which one of us received it because it's a well known fact that the US Postal Service often makes mistakes and puts the wrong letters in the wrong mailboxes? What if one day you walked out and there was a letter in your box full of cash, what would you do? Not everyone is honest you know!

The magistrate notice lists the amount claimed and venue, but not the item number. So technically, how am I supposed to prepare a defense?
This seems like the easy part to me, just take in printouts and actual links to your past auction showing the judge where even if this man did send in payment, which you never received, he didn't pay the correct amount, and he also sent in payment in a form you plainly stated was not acceptable. The burden of proof falls upon the plaintiff, how is he going to prove he sent cash? Like I said before, I could send you an envelope with nothing in it and a receipt requested or adult signature required, yet that in no way what-so-ever proves I've actually ever put cash in that envelope! Surely the judge will see though this guy!

Can I delay the court date because of insufficient details to prepare? Can I refuse to appear out of safety concerns because I think he's unstable? Can I sue for breach of contract, harassment, false police report, etc?
Personally I think it would behoove you to get this over and done with as soon as possible, that to purposely delay this is just putting more stress on yourself. Secondly, the Court will have Bailiff's, even if this guy gets crazy they're there to protect you, as well as the Judge also. As for suing him, personally I'd wait until you're done with court, but you can sue anyone for anything anytime you'd like. I think it'd be more advantageous to you to await the verdict of this court appearance first though, and then possibly you may be able to pursue false police report issues, but if the police are already acting like they are suggesting you just pay him to get rid of him, I'm not sure how that's going to go over with them, and it is them you'll have to deal with first about his crime.

I have no idea why is initial complaint wasn't laughed out of the precinct for stupidity and lack of evidence.
Maybe they feel the amount is trivial and not worth the expenditure of their efforts, but I don't know the amount so it's hard to say. Never the less a crime is a crime and you'd think they wouldn't have laughed it off like that without reason. Once again I still feel this all falls back on this buyers ability to prove he really did send cash, and to prove his envelope actually ended up in your hands and not someone else's. Even the US Postal Service recommends not sending cash through the mail, so it's this guy who made a stupid mistake, and I can't see how he can prove what he sent or even if he really did send anything at all!

SnowCajun
 

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