not attending drill in national guard (not even a soldier yet)

[staygold]

i havent gone to BCT yet so im not an offical "soldier"
so i missed my last drill weekend and i received a letter in the mail basically saying that if i miss more i will be issused a warrant to my arrest. now what i would like to know is, is this a scare tactic? i have so much going on in my life and i rely on my new career to get me out of debt and to support myself and that means working weekends. now the other question is that would i be discharged for missing too many drill dates?
i dont want to deal with the army's BS of scaring people into thinking something is going to happen when its not.

 

[FlyingRon]

Of course it's a scare tactic. They want you to live up to your commitment. In addition, you'll be real scared when they do issue the warrant next time you fail to report. It will be followed by some disciplinary action that may indeed result in you being discharged. A procedure that may be a permanent bar to any military service (thought it sounds like from your attitude that you are not suited to such service anyhow). You may manage to be severed from service without the stigma of a OTH discharge, but this isn't going to look good in your new career what ever it is.

 

[cyjeff]

Just because it is a scare tactic doesn't mean it isn't true.

By the way, many employers won't hire a dishonorably discharge.

 

[staygold]

well im very glad you guys have a scare tactic of your own.
dishonorable discharge isnt exactly possible and i know that one for a fact.

 

[ERAUPIKE]

well im very glad you guys have a scare tactic of your own.
dishonorable discharge isnt exactly possible and i know that one for a fact.

Really smart guy? Prove it then.

 

[staygold]

prior service.

 

[cyjeff]

prior service.

First, I am lost. You said you weren't a soldier yet and now you say you are.

I can also state that a soldier can be dishonorably discharged even on a second tour of duty.

 

[Ronin]

prior service.

If this is your second enlistment from another service into the Army National Guard, then the fact that you have not gone through Army basic training does not mean you are not subject to the full extent of the UCMJ.

The most probable scenario is you will be administratively discharged. But however they choose to do so will most likely be done with some measure of prejudice that may negate some of the benefit you had from a prior honorable discharge.

You may find the Army somewhat less tolerant of some matters than whatever sister service you were in previously. However, if you feel the National Guard is bluffing and making idle threats, tell them to go pound sand next time they try to communicate with you

 

[staygold]

If this is your second enlistment from another service into the Army National Guard, then the fact that you have not gone through Army basic training does not mean you are not subject to the full extent of the UCMJ.

The most probable scenario is you will be administratively discharged. But however they choose to do so will most likely be done with some measure of prejudice that may negate some of the benefit you had from a prior honorable discharge.

You may find the Army somewhat less tolerant of some matters than whatever sister service you were in previously. However, if you feel the National Guard is bluffing and making idle threats, tell them to go pound sand next time they try to communicate with you

now see this is the best answer ive heard here. i was active army before but ive come to notice that the national guard is another ballgame. i signed up (having to attent BCT again and AIT for the job and still havent) but because my jobs limits me from going to RSP which in my opinion is a big waste of time. at this point i care more about my career then the RSP. (frankly, being in the guard you rely on a primary career to support yourself.) the only question i had was. Is the army just using a scare tactic to tell me i will have a warrant out for my arrest if i miss RSP? i mean thats a little harsh i think. on the paper it states i can contact someone if my job gets in the way with RSP so i will be contacting him. BUT if he TELLS me i HAVE to go then i think thats a crock of s***

 

[redleg17]

After you accumulate your 9 "U"s, 4 per regular MUTA-4 Battle Assembly (aka "drill"), you are subject to discharge or transfer to the IRR.

The Army has a new tactic for "Unsatisfactory Participants" in the Guard and Reserve.

In lieu of a discharge, they can transfer you to the IRR, which if you didn't realize, is subject to involuntary recall and deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan for 12 months. And they ARE doing recalls of IRR soldiers....and those recalls are all for combat deployments......your transfer to the IRR will be for the duration of your enlistment contract, if you signed a long contract for the Guard, that leaves you open for a lengthy period of possibly getting recalled for deployment. I spent a year on Ft Benning training these guys, some of them had been in the IRR for years before the Army decided to call them up and some of them never did more than Basic and AIT before they quit drilling**************.

You may not have attended AIT for your new MOS, but what the Army will do is mobilize you for the MOS that you held on Active Duty. We had a few male students that had mobilization orders for the MOS that they never attended the school for in the Guard, instead of changing the males orders to reflect the MOS that they already held, some had the pleasure of a trip over to Sand Hill to attend Infantry School.

 

[FlyingRon]

it states i can contact someone if my job gets in the way with RSP so i will be contacting him. BUT if he TELLS me i HAVE to go then i think thats a crock of s***

Yes, but that is if you indeed told someone. Do I get the impression that you just decided your job was too important to bother showing up even without authorization?

 

[redleg17]

Yes, but that is if you indeed told someone. Do I get the impression that you just decided your job was too important to bother showing up even without authorization?

Units used to be more lenient on letting people miss drills because of their full-time employment. But we're at war....and since employers are required by law to let you go to drill, a lot of units are not longer letting people use "civilian employment conflict" as an excuse to miss drill.

The process for getting an excused absence for employment conflicts requires you to notify the unit, but they are under no obligation to approve the request.

 

[questionia]

We need more facts

First, we need to establish what his prior service status is. Why are you going back to BCT/AIT? Is it to reclass or is it due to a very long break in service? Did you complete your original term of service including active duty or Guard including your IRR time?

These questions need to be answered before a legitimate answer can be had.

 

[redleg17]

Did you complete your original term of service including active duty or Guard including your IRR time?

Even if he did his entire 8 year initial original term of service, he can be transferred to the IRR for the duration of his current contract.

 

[questionia]

If he did not complete his original term of service and came back in under a new contract he might be a glossary non prior service - meaning that he either was not MOSQ'd or had less than 180 days. I think both have to be true but I am not sure. At any rate, I was thinking that if he is essentially non prior service he can just contact his recruiter and say he isn't interested any longer and get out. It could be as simple as that.