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EE2000

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Virginia

I have been accused of domestic assualt, but my girlfriend has since decided to not pursue the case. She now lives out of state, and does not intend to fly back here to testify. She gets phone calls every day from the detective on the case, meaning they are obviously desparate, which she has ignored, until they called her landline, when the detective told my girlfriend that if she does not come back, it will be dropped. The detective offered to have them pay her to fly back here, but my girlfriend has steadfastly refused.

Several lawyers have told me that a conviction without her sworn testimony is next to impossible, yet I fear loopholes. One attorney said that they are agressive in Virginia, and advised me to hire a lawyer just as insurance (especially since this affects gun ownership rights). I kind of feel naked walking in there without one, even though they have no case without her (and for several details pertaining to the case that I should not share publicly).

The issue is if I hire a lawyer right now, my rent check will bounce in a day or two, which is obviously not good. I am originally from another state, and the one time that I had to hire a lawyer there, they accepted a contract with a payment plan, but the lawyers that I have talked to need the entire sum beforehand. My free half hour legal consultation ran up with that lawyer, and he refused to answer the following basic procedural question, the answer to which will be of great help: Assuming the one in a million happens, and the DA does not drop the case/the judge does not throw the case out/it does not automatically die due to no accusing main witness/whatever, and they do try to pursue it, do I have the legal right to have the judge issue a continuance so that I can obtain a lawyer, OR do I hyave to waive my right to a lawyer BEFORE they [almost for sure---but you never know] drop the charge/throw it out/whatever?

One reason that I waited so long is that I was almost positive that this upcoming date was a pre-trial conference (which is how it works where I'm from), but I found out that it's not when the subpoena for her was left on my door---it is the main trial date. I would tell the judge the fact that on the notice that I was given at the arraingment, NO real details as to the nature of the next court date are given (it's just a business card with a date and time on it), and that I have just started searching a week ago.

Basically, I am wondering if the procedure is airtight, whereby I don't have to tell the judge that I am waiving my right to a lawyer before they 99.9999% most likely drop the case. I am hoping that they either drop it/it gets throw out, OR if it doesn't I am given the chance to ask for a continuance.

Any held would be greatly appreciated.
 


EE2000

Junior Member
averad said:
Would you like you lucky lotto numbers with your prediction?
I was just trying to get across that you never know what could happen in terms of what the prosecution decides to attempt, but the basic procedure should be fixed, so my question is cut and dry. Since they have no case, do I have to waive my right to a lawyer once and for all before they almost certainly drop the charges, or do I walk in there and it gets either [almost certainly gets] dropped, or if it doesn't, I still have the right to have the judge assign a new court date so that I do have a lawyer?
 

EE2000

Junior Member
fairisfair said:
is he naked walking in without a gun or an attorney??
Without an attorney. The right to gun ownership is just one of the many things on the line (the other being my record, fines/community service being the other).

I just want to know the procedure so that I know what I'm facing.
 

EE2000

Junior Member
Look, I'm almost positive that it has to be dropped with no main accusing witness (with the part in the Constitution about having the right to face one's accusers and all that). However, one can never be certain, and I just want to know that I haven't closed any doors of opportunity in terms of being able to have a lawyer just in case I do need one.
 
EE2000 said:
What is the name of your state? Virginia

I have been accused of domestic assualt, but my girlfriend has since decided to not pursue the case. She now lives out of state, and does not intend to fly back here to testify. She gets phone calls every day from the detective on the case, meaning they are obviously desparate, which she has ignored, until they called her landline, when the detective told my girlfriend that if she does not come back, it will be dropped. The detective offered to have them pay her to fly back here, but my girlfriend has steadfastly refused.

Several lawyers have told me that a conviction without her sworn testimony is next to impossible, yet I fear loopholes. One attorney said that they are agressive in Virginia, and advised me to hire a lawyer just as insurance (especially since this affects gun ownership rights). I kind of feel naked walking in there without one, even though they have no case without her (and for several details pertaining to the case that I should not share publicly).

The issue is if I hire a lawyer right now, my rent check will bounce in a day or two, which is obviously not good. I am originally from another state, and the one time that I had to hire a lawyer there, they accepted a contract with a payment plan, but the lawyers that I have talked to need the entire sum beforehand. My free half hour legal consultation ran up with that lawyer, and he refused to answer the following basic procedural question, the answer to which will be of great help: Assuming the one in a million happens, and the DA does not drop the case/the judge does not throw the case out/it does not automatically die due to no accusing main witness/whatever, and they do try to pursue it, do I have the legal right to have the judge issue a continuance so that I can obtain a lawyer, OR do I hyave to waive my right to a lawyer BEFORE they [almost for sure---but you never know] drop the charge/throw it out/whatever?

One reason that I waited so long is that I was almost positive that this upcoming date was a pre-trial conference (which is how it works where I'm from), but I found out that it's not when the subpoena for her was left on my door---it is the main trial date. I would tell the judge the fact that on the notice that I was given at the arraingment, NO real details as to the nature of the next court date are given (it's just a business card with a date and time on it), and that I have just started searching a week ago.

Basically, I am wondering if the procedure is airtight, whereby I don't have to tell the judge that I am waiving my right to a lawyer before they 99.9999% most likely drop the case. I am hoping that they either drop it/it gets throw out, OR if it doesn't I am given the chance to ask for a continuance.

Any held would be greatly appreciated.
Congratulations on convincing your punching bag, I mean girlfriend to help you out. Don't any woman beaters having to run around unarmed. :D
 

EE2000

Junior Member
Ithildriel said:
Congratulations on convincing your punching bag, I mean girlfriend to help you out. Don't any woman beaters having to run around unarmed. :D
I thought that this forum was for advice. :rolleyes:

Shouldn't remarks like this be banworthy, especially since this individual does not know the details of the case (i.e., who really assualted whom, etc.)?

To any serious poster: if someone walks into court without a lawyer, knowing that it's a near certainty that the case will be dropped, does that person still have the right to ask for a later court date if it turns out that the case is not dropped?
 
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CdwJava

Senior Member
They can always choose to keep the case open for a few years and then subpoena her to court when she shows back up.

There may be any number of things they can do to you. Since no one here knows the facts, no one can say if there is anything that can be done to you or not. But, if you do NOT Have an attorney, chances are this thing will stay alive.

Your call.

So, is she planning on coming "home" to your state when this is over with? if so, she should be ready to face criminal charges of her own ... the cops and the DA tend to get a tad miffed when their complaining party wastes their time. One way we make up for it is to go after the person wasting our time. So, I hope she thinks you are worth HER possibly going to jail.

- Carl
 

EE2000

Junior Member
CdwJava said:
They can always choose to keep the case open for a few years and then subpoena her to court when she shows back up.

There may be any number of things they can do to you. Since no one here knows the facts, no one can say if there is anything that can be done to you or not. But, if you do NOT Have an attorney, chances are this thing will stay alive.
Every lawyer that I have talked to, and even the detective who has been pestering my gf, have all said that no main witness = dropped case. Are you saying that a case can be reopened if the charges are dropped? I would think that that would count as double jeopardy, unless that doesn't apply to dropped charges?

As for having an attorney, I do plan to hire one if they do proceed with this. It's just that a thousand bucks is expensive insurance, especially since it sounds like it has to be dropped.

So, is she planning on coming "home" to your state when this is over with? if so, she should be ready to face criminal charges of her own ... the cops and the DA tend to get a tad miffed when their complaining party wastes their time. One way we make up for it is to go after the person wasting our time. So, I hope she thinks you are worth HER possibly going to jail.
No, I will visit her for now and when we do live together again it will be elsewhere. She has no problem not ever coming to this state again. :p
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
It is the parts that you omit that make me advise you to retain a criminal defense attorney especially since you are so concerned re gun ownership. It is possible to allow telephonic testimony or video taped deposition depending on the court's ruling. If there is a protective order you may be violating it and helping them build a case against you. If she really wants to drop the charges it would behove her to return and testify to that fact, otherwise they may view her flight as a means by which to protect herself from threats of violence or retribution. Get an attorney. Encourage ehr to return to testify. The judge may or not allow a continuance. If she was served at your address that could be improper service and also yeild a continuance.
 

EE2000

Junior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
It is the parts that you omit that make me advise you to retain a criminal defense attorney especially since you are so concerned re gun ownership. It is possible to allow telephonic testimony or video taped deposition depending on the court's ruling.
Every attorney with whom I spoke said that in this case she must testify in person, under oath. The detective even offered to have the state fly her here, and my gf refused. It's quite obvious that they are desperate for her to appear in person.

If there is a protective order you may be violating it and helping them build a case against you.
There was, I respected it for its duration, it expired, then we worked things out.

If she really wants to drop the charges it would behove her to return and testify to that fact, otherwise they may view her flight as a means by which to protect herself from threats of violence or retribution.
She's made it clear to the pestering detective that this is not the case. She also went out of state for other reasons (many of which have nothing to do with our relationship). If push comes to shove, she could mail a statement to that effect.

Get an attorney. Encourage ehr to return to testify. The judge may or not allow a continuance.
The situation is that a few attorney's said that they would take my case but that they were booked out the day of my court date, so they said that I could get a continuance granted if I want to. The thing that I am concerned with is if I have to waive the right to a lawyer *before* the proceedings begin, just to hear that they've dropped the charges/the case has been dismissed/whatever.

The other consideration that I've already stated is that I would hate to pay around a thousand bucks, walk in there, and walk out five minutes later finding out exactly what I expected (dropped/dismissed case). I mean I would love the result, but hate that I had to pay that much money for a mere few minutes of their time (aside from preparation and travel time, but even so, it would still be a rip off). Who wants to get ripped off?

If she was served at your address that could be improper service and also yeild a continuance.
I've already checked on that, and I don't have to forward it since it did not come via U.S. mail (it was put on my doorstep :p ). The fact of the matter is, she already was planning to move out before the incident took place, and she even told the police the date of her flight, and lo and behold, *they* delivered it to my address after her flight date, so it's their problem, not mine.
 
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Happy Trails

Senior Member
EE2000 said:
Every lawyer that I have talked to, and even the detective who has been pestering my gf, have all said that no main witness = dropped case. Are you saying that a case can be reopened if the charges are dropped? I would think that that would count as double jeopardy, unless that doesn't apply to dropped charges?

As for having an attorney, I do plan to hire one if they do proceed with this. It's just that a thousand bucks is expensive insurance, especially since it sounds like it has to be dropped.



No, I will visit her for now and when we do live together again it will be elsewhere. She has no problem not ever coming to this state again. :p

Yes, the case could still be reopened and it would not be double jeopardy, since you didn't go to trial on it.
 

EE2000

Junior Member
Happy Trails said:
Yes, the case could still be reopened and it would not be double jeopardy, since you didn't go to trial on it.
Well, what is the statute of limitations?
 

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