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DanaBC12

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Pennsylvania

I have a question about final settlement in PA divorce. I did have a lawyer until he is now out on medical leave due to a heart attack, and my case has been reassigned, but cannot proceed due to a backlog and time constraints, so I’d just like to ask a question to have an idea of what to expect. My soon to be ex-husband has remained in the marital home for the past 22 months while I moved out. The options presented to him were to buy my share out or we sell the home. We initially put the house on the market but only received offers that were way too low at the time. He kept living in the home, all the while dragging his feet on aggressively selling the property, as the house continued to devalue significantly.

During the intervening months, I discovered that he has made substantial improvements (and paid for) to the home, from patching holes in the walls followed by complete repriming and painting, to tearing apart a severely weathered deck, sanding and, refinishing.

The home was recently appraised at about $300,000 (down from $350,000 in 2008), and we owe $250,967, which would mean I am entitled to $25,000 as my share of the equity. However, during his improvements to the house, he discovered mold in the upstairs bathroom and basement as well, and he tore apart the bathroom and remediated the mold in accordance with minimal local codes (killing it and sealing over it). In the basement he did the same thing, but also laid epoxy flooring for enhancement.

However, due to mold disclosure laws in real estate, we now have to disclose where and when mold was found, which substantially lowers the selling price. Our last offer was $255,000, contingent on a mold inspection and mold growing test. That would mean after real estate fees and other costs I walk away OWING money! In addition, he is also asking for credit due to all the improvements he made in the home, which he argues increase the selling price because of both appeal and improvement to the home.

Lastly, he presented me with an offer to buy me out for $12,000, all the cash he has on hand. He said, “We sell and you owe money, or you walk away with $12k in hand”. Now that’s less than HALF of what I should get, but if we sell the home I get nothing! I spoke briefly with my new lawyer and he said it’s a “legal paradox”, where the reality of the market created a situation that the most favorable settlement for me goes against what PA law requires for a buyout, but divorce law cannot override real estate disclosure laws. I am just wondering if he can pay me $12,000 and walk away with the house? I don’t think it’s fair that he drug his feet all this time while the house devalued, as well as gets to benefit from a drastically reduced selling price because of mold. If he keeps the home, he has done “enough” with the mold for local codes for a refinance, but the disclosure laws seem to work to his advantage for a buyout.
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
He can do it if you agree to it. You should not agree to anything until your new lawyer is assigned and has a chance to review your case and advise you.
 

DanaBC12

Junior Member
He can do it if you agree to it. You should not agree to anything until your new lawyer is assigned and has a chance to review your case and advise you.
I understand that completely. But mold disclosure laws require reporting for three years as far as I know, so ultimately there is a big red stamp on the home that says to buyers "Hey, lowball the owners because there was mold and they have no other options". The buyers have all the power in this case, and it gives my ex a substantial hand up in negotiating a buyout with me since I have 2 choices, take his low offer, or gamble on the whims of the market. It doesn't seem fair.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Pennsylvania

I have a question about final settlement in PA divorce. I did have a lawyer until he is now out on medical leave due to a heart attack, and my case has been reassigned, but cannot proceed due to a backlog and time constraints, so I’d just like to ask a question to have an idea of what to expect. My soon to be ex-husband has remained in the marital home for the past 22 months while I moved out. The options presented to him were to buy my share out or we sell the home. We initially put the house on the market but only received offers that were way too low at the time. He kept living in the home, all the while dragging his feet on aggressively selling the property, as the house continued to devalue significantly.

During the intervening months, I discovered that he has made substantial improvements (and paid for) to the home, from patching holes in the walls followed by complete repriming and painting, to tearing apart a severely weathered deck, sanding and, refinishing.

The home was recently appraised at about $300,000 (down from $350,000 in 2008), and we owe $250,967, which would mean I am entitled to $25,000 as my share of the equity. However, during his improvements to the house, he discovered mold in the upstairs bathroom and basement as well, and he tore apart the bathroom and remediated the mold in accordance with minimal local codes (killing it and sealing over it). In the basement he did the same thing, but also laid epoxy flooring for enhancement.

However, due to mold disclosure laws in real estate, we now have to disclose where and when mold was found, which substantially lowers the selling price. Our last offer was $255,000, contingent on a mold inspection and mold growing test. That would mean after real estate fees and other costs I walk away OWING money! In addition, he is also asking for credit due to all the improvements he made in the home, which he argues increase the selling price because of both appeal and improvement to the home.

Lastly, he presented me with an offer to buy me out for $12,000, all the cash he has on hand. He said, “We sell and you owe money, or you walk away with $12k in hand”. Now that’s less than HALF of what I should get, but if we sell the home I get nothing! I spoke briefly with my new lawyer and he said it’s a “legal paradox”, where the reality of the market created a situation that the most favorable settlement for me goes against what PA law requires for a buyout, but divorce law cannot override real estate disclosure laws. I am just wondering if he can pay me $12,000 and walk away with the house? I don’t think it’s fair that he drug his feet all this time while the house devalued, as well as gets to benefit from a drastically reduced selling price because of mold. If he keeps the home, he has done “enough” with the mold for local codes for a refinance, but the disclosure laws seem to work to his advantage for a buyout.
You are entitled to equitable share of the equity. PA is not a community property state but an equitable distribution state. Unless you paid half the cost of the improvements, your husband should get a credit. You are entitled to half the equity -- equity is determined between the amount owed (including realtor expenses and what not) and the amount the house is worth -- which can be determined by fair market value or offers you have received. The 25k is MYTHICAL money and you might not get it. At. All. The 12k is here and now money. As for dragging his feet -- why didn't you do something to force the issue all that time ago -- get a court order to put it on the market. You are to blame for the delay as well.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I understand that completely. But mold disclosure laws require reporting for three years as far as I know, so ultimately there is a big red stamp on the home that says to buyers "Hey, lowball the owners because there was mold and they have no other options". The buyers have all the power in this case, and it gives my ex a substantial hand up in negotiating a buyout with me since I have 2 choices, take his low offer, or gamble on the whims of the market. It doesn't seem fair.
Life isn't fair. It is a buyer's market due to the economy. That is life. Sounds like you wish you could sell without disclosing the mold issue and you have sour grapes because of the law.
 

DanaBC12

Junior Member
As for dragging his feet -- why didn't you do something to force the issue all that time ago -- get a court order to put it on the market
I did, but he invoked the "2 year separation" requirement any time I did, and continued to make full mortgage payments without ever being late. He said "I'm not ready to proceed at this time, and I have X remaining months until it's been 2 years". Don't think I wasn't calling the bank monthly to see if he paid on time.

He used the 2-year separation requirement to his advantage, and would make "offers" in hindsight when it was to his best outcome. I guess if the 25K is "mythical" then I'd have no other choice.

My issue is WHY didn't he have PROFESSIONAL mold remediators come in? But all LOCAL laws require is what he did, and he had the local inspector come out twice, after the kill and seal but before the retiling, and after the finished jobs he did HIMSELF. I understand life isn't fair, but when you are dealing with a sociopath, it makes it hard to swallow getting shafted in the end.

Look at my post in the criminal law section about what he did with our phones, and THAT is the type of man I am dealing with.
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
Sounds like he did it the right way, having inspections before, partway through, and after the completion of the repair.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I did, but he invoked the "2 year separation" requirement any time I did, and continued to make full mortgage payments without ever being late. He said "I'm not ready to proceed at this time, and I have X remaining months until it's been 2 years". Don't think I wasn't calling the bank monthly to see if he paid on time.

He used the 2-year separation requirement to his advantage, and would make "offers" in hindsight when it was to his best outcome. I guess if the 25K is "mythical" then I'd have no other choice.

My issue is WHY didn't he have PROFESSIONAL mold remediators come in? But all LOCAL laws require is what he did, and he had the local inspector come out twice, after the kill and seal but before the retiling, and after the finished jobs he did HIMSELF. I understand life isn't fair, but when you are dealing with a sociopath, it makes it hard to swallow getting shafted in the end.

Look at my post in the criminal law section about what he did with our phones, and THAT is the type of man I am dealing with.
I still feel that you are not dealing with the reality of the situation. You are simply NOT going to get a 300k offer for the house because of the mold, and you cannot change that. His offer is actually a very good one considering that if the house was sold you could actually OWE money. For goodness sake take the money and run!
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
You are entitled to equitable share of the equity. PA is not a community property state but an equitable distribution state. Unless you paid half the cost of the improvements, your husband should get a credit. You are entitled to half the equity -- equity is determined between the amount owed (including realtor expenses and what not) and the amount the house is worth -- which can be determined by fair market value or offers you have received. The 25k is MYTHICAL money and you might not get it. At. All. The 12k is here and now money. As for dragging his feet -- why didn't you do something to force the issue all that time ago -- get a court order to put it on the market. You are to blame for the delay as well.
Let's see. Home prices have been plummeting. Your ex put a ton of time and money into the home. The home is currently worth roughly what you paid for it (even after he put all his time and money into it). If it sells, you'll probably get a couple thousand at most (but not even that - count on selling costs of about $15-20,000 on a home in that range). OTOH, you can walk away with $12 K free and clear.

To me, it's a no brainer. Take the money. Just make sure that he refinances you off the loan if you're on it. That will probably be the catch.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I did, but he invoked the "2 year separation" requirement any time I did, and continued to make full mortgage payments without ever being late. He said "I'm not ready to proceed at this time, and I have X remaining months until it's been 2 years". Don't think I wasn't calling the bank monthly to see if he paid on time.

He used the 2-year separation requirement to his advantage, and would make "offers" in hindsight when it was to his best outcome. I guess if the 25K is "mythical" then I'd have no other choice.

My issue is WHY didn't he have PROFESSIONAL mold remediators come in? But all LOCAL laws require is what he did, and he had the local inspector come out twice, after the kill and seal but before the retiling, and after the finished jobs he did HIMSELF. I understand life isn't fair, but when you are dealing with a sociopath, it makes it hard to swallow getting shafted in the end.

Look at my post in the criminal law section about what he did with our phones, and THAT is the type of man I am dealing with.
Would you have paid for the PROFESSIONAL MOLD REMEDIATOR?
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Pennsylvania

I have a question on the ability to press charges against me soon to be ex-husband.

When I initially filed for divorce, I didn't tell him much other than I wanted out. We still lived in the house together, and for a time shared bank accounts and the same phone plan. I filed for divorce, and selected to have him served at the home. I was given the contact information of the process server, and we spoke on the phone, and I was to text him when my ex was home and not going anywhere.

However, over the next weeks, it was absolutely impossible to track him down or have him served. Looking back, it was more than coincidence that he would sneak out a few minutes after I texted the server, and would not return for hours. When I finally got the server to the house, he knocked on the door and my ex got up and said "I will get it, it's your process server and he's late". He took the papers and said to the man "I was going to call you at XXXXXX (number) but I figure you were probably driving and didn't want to cause an accident. I would have met you somewhere closer". He even told the man what agency he worked for! I was horrified and scared to death how my ex knew.

In short, I forgot to separate myself from the phone plan, and he had access to the online statements, which update every minute with the numbers I called and texted. My ex saw I called and texted the server's number, and used an online "reverse phone lookup" to get the contact details of the person, which came back to a process server agency. So, my ex would access our phone logs online, and have a real-time window into who I was calling and texting, and would know when I was talking with the server. He even knew who my lawyer was well before I had him served!

After the serving, I spoke with the server, and he said he thought my ex definitely violated stalking and wiretap laws IF he used spyware. But I myself checked our online phone records, and saw my ex could do what he did with just that.

But would doing that constitute wiretapping, stalking, and harassment? We did share the account, but my ex used it for pure pleasure to track me and play around with the server.
And? He did NOTHING illegal. That was your stupidity. He was actually very smart. Nothing about this is sociopathic. You, however, seem like a whining bitter individual. It is NOT wiretapping, stalking OR harassment. It was him being extremely bright and smart. You should have separated the phone bills and had YOUR OWN BILL so that he could not see who you called.

Hopefully you weren't calling a boyfriend/girlfriend or otherwise having an affair. Or doing anything inappropriate that can be used against you. Because he can use those phone records.
 

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