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GioSerpo

Member
Tennessee

To start off with, some information that might or might not be useful, the local police department accused me of downloading child porn, I have to appear in front of a jury for that case in May, to try to clear my name. I've been fighting these charges for 6 years. Now, as I'm not sure if this will be relevant, to my question, it MIGHT, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.

July the 4th, I was at my uncles for his annual barbecue with the whole family. One of my cousins and his girlfriend got into an argument, and they left to go home. Five minutes later, his girlfriend was back, crying, bruised, and saying he had just hit her. My uncle made it clear that he was not to come back that night, and we assumed it was over. A couple hours later, he came back, and was literally looking for a fight. My other cousin, my uncles son, told him like it was, you wanna fight lets do it, and they fought. Abuser got beat pretty bad, went back home and called the cops. They show up, literally nothing happened. Might be worth mentioning, he had weed when the cops got there. Now, a few months prior, a family friend and her husband got into an argument, no punches were thrown, but her mom got scared and called the cops, and both people involved went to jail and were charged with domestic that day.

So, fast forward to last month, the Abuser cousin messaged me on facebook, and cussed me out for who knows why. I asked him what his deal was, and he blamed me for getting him put on probation. Now, how he figures that, I have no idea, so, I was like whatever dude, and laughed it off, and ignored his messages for a few days. Couple days pass, and in my room, I hear this vehicle revving real loud outside my house. Initially, I ignored it, just thinking it was a local idiot being an idiot, but then facebook dinged at me, and I checked it, the Abuser cousin messaged me asking where I was. I was like why? he said he wanted to fight. I told him he knew where he could find me, and after I sent it, I heard the engine rev again. I looked out my window, and it was him in his truck, he then messaged me saying he would meet me in the road. My intentions when I went out were not to fight, I went out just to try to talk, and technically, I never went in the road, but he jumps out cussing me, fuming mad for God knows why, and at that point all I wanted to do was talk him down, and figure out what his beef was with me. Well, a second person got out of the truck and joined in on cussing me out, so, I decided it was best if I went back inside, I could smell the alcohol on Abuser cousins breath, and when the other dude got out I smelled weed, and to be honest, I knew I didn't stand a chance trying to fight in that situation, had I thrown the first punch, they would have double teamed me, and it was clear that between the alcohol, weed, and peer pressure, that he was about to fight, so, I told him when he sobered up, he could come back by himself, and we could talk about whatever it was, and if we couldn't settle it with talking, I assured him an ass whooping... I started to turn to go back inside, and the other dude runs up and kicks me between the legs, the Abuser cousin yells "Yea, you are a pedophile, pedophiles all need to die!" as he runs towards me, and shoves me, then they both went and got in the truck and left. My mom, being the kind of person she is, called the cops. Abuser cousin drove his truck past my house like 20 more times that night, before the cops got here, and the last time he drove by, he was on the wrong side of the road and nearly hit the responding officer head on. He called in another officer to pull dude over. I explained to him what had happened, and the events back in July, didn't leave anything out. He proceeds to tell me two things, one, the other officer was able to find them and pull them over, and two, he was thinking that it was a mutual fight anyway, and wasn't going to do anything in regards to the trespassing and assault... After that he left, and Abuser cousin drove up and down my road 50 more times...

The reason I think the first information I shared is relevant here is because I brought the issue up with the lawyer who is fighting that case and he knew exactly who the abuser cousin was, and even had some information about him in my files, although I had never brought him up, since I don't think he knows anything useful about what happened all those years ago. In that information, my lawyer also had it noted that Abuser cousin was on probation. He also isn't much help in answering my questions about these recent events, since as of right now hes trying to stay focused on helping me clear my name in those charges. He did say that abuser cousin hasn't been back to court on any VoP charges since he got put on probation.

Now to my questions.
  1. Why is it that in a domestic case where no punches were thrown, both parties went to jail, but, in a domestic case where punches were thrown, and alcohol and weed were involved, neither person involved got arrested?
  2. How is a fight "Mutual" when I had no intention to fight, nor did I swing back?
  3. How do you commit 9 crimes in one night and NOT go to jail or face any legal trouble?
  4. Should I be worried that my lawyer knows of, and has a mini file on abuser cousin in my files?

As far as the 9 crimes, Assault, Trespassing, DUI, Simple Possession, and if you count Violation of Probation as separate crimes, a VoP for the of each of those, and a VoP becasue he was drinking, and as far as i know, its VoP if you drink while on probation.

Oh, and apparently me filing assault and trespassing charges isn't an option, since the officer that responded that night dodged the question every time I asked, and my lawyer just wouldn't talk about it.
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Tennessee
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Now to my questions.
  1. Why is it that in a domestic case where no punches were thrown, both parties went to jail, but, in a domestic case where punches were thrown, and alcohol and weed were involved, neither person involved got arrested?
  2. How is a fight "Mutual" when I had no intention to fight, nor did I swing back?
  3. How do you commit 9 crimes in one night and NOT go to jail or face any legal trouble?
  4. Should I be worried that my lawyer knows of, and has a mini file on abuser cousin in my files?
I skipped the novel because these questions can be answered without wading through all of that.

1: No idea - we can't guess - we weren't there.
2: See #1
3: See #1
4: This one I don't understand. Why not ask your attorney?
 

GioSerpo

Member
for 1, 2 and 3, fair enough, I get it, no one on the forums was there, and no one can read minds lol, and thats fine, I just think the whole situation was handled poorly, but i wonder if there could be some underlying reason behind why he is being treated differently than other people around here who break the law. At the end of the day, I don't guess it even matters, except to quench my curiosity. as for 4, my attorney was the first person I asked. I explained to him what all happened, and asked the him questions 1, 2 and 3, to which he replied to each of them, "don't worry about it." then he proceeded to grab my file, pull out the info on abuser cousin and asked if it was the same person, to which I said yes, but should I be worried that you have information about him in my files when this is the first time I have mentioned him to you? He literally didn't say anything, and moved on to the next topic we had to discuss...
 

quincy

Senior Member
Tennessee
... Now to my questions.
  1. Why is it that in a domestic case where no punches were thrown, both parties went to jail, but, in a domestic case where punches were thrown, and alcohol and weed were involved, neither person involved got arrested?
  2. How is a fight "Mutual" when I had no intention to fight, nor did I swing back?
  3. How do you commit 9 crimes in one night and NOT go to jail or face any legal trouble?
  4. Should I be worried that my lawyer knows of, and has a mini file on abuser cousin in my files?...
Police assess each situation and react according to perceived continued threat of harm.

A fight can be considered mutual if one person invites the confrontation. You could have easily stayed inside.

Someone does not have to be arrested and charged immediately. Those involved in the fight can be arrested and charged later.

You know best whether you should be worried that your lawyer has information on your cousin.
 
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GioSerpo

Member
1. so a cop perceives a verbal argument between two people who have never been in trouble with the law to possibly continue to argue, but a drug and alcohol fueled physical attack on someone isn't perceived as such? even knowing that he came back after he hit her, knowing he wasnt welcome back that night? Gotcha, poorly handled.

2. I COULD have stayed inside, yes, but, at the same time, I have no trespassing signs up, he was in MY yard messaging me on facebook, so as far as I'm concerned, had I had the intent to fight him, its self defense, not a mutual fight.

3. I know that much, but its been a little more than a month, so, if they were going to charge him, they would have by now, and I know they haven't because they haven't charged me, and if the officer deemed it a "Mutual" fight, I would be charged for it too, since it was so mutual... and, as I said, the info my lawyer has shows where he got charged with simple possession in July, makes no mention of him beating his girlfriend in July, and makes no mention of any new charges. That info is as of today, as today was the first time I met with him since the fight.

4. I'm not so much worried that he has information on my cousin as much as I am at the way he downplayed it and ignored it when I asked. Am I worried about doing jail time? No. I didn't do what I was accused of doing, so, I have no reason to worry about it from that perspective. I guess I should have been more thorough in the question, so let me re phrase it: Should I be worried that this lawyer is going to drop me onto another lawyer now, becasue hes starting to act the the first two I had?
 

GioSerpo

Member
I skipped the novel because these questions can be answered without wading through all of that.
I see where you are coming from, but, note that these questions are essentially from multiple incidents. Now, had you read the info I provided, the "novel" as you called it, it explains everything you would need to know. You answered the first three, saying you didn't know becasue you weren't there, which, Yea, I get that, but, had you invested a bit of time into reading the info i provided, I feel you could have been more helpful.

I'll admit, the only reason I asked those first three questions is to quench my curiosity, since I don't think they are relevant to the actual legal issues I'm fighting, but if you can't put in the effort to read my whole post and offer something even partially useful to them, please, don't comment on it anymore.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Please be nice to the volunteers on this site. Zigner was right to comment on the length of your post. Most of us on the forum will not want to wade through unnecessary details to get to the legal questions.

If the attorney you have now is the third attorney you've had since you were first charged with downloading child pornography, I suppose your worry that this third lawyer will bail on you too is a reasonable concern.

My recommendation is that you work hard on avoiding trouble instead of seemingly seeking it out by associating with troublemakers.

Good luck with the trial in May.
 

not2cleverRed

Obvious Observer
1. so a cop perceives a verbal argument between two people who have never been in trouble with the law to possibly continue to argue, but a drug and alcohol fueled physical attack on someone isn't perceived as such? even knowing that he came back after he hit her, knowing he wasnt welcome back that night? Gotcha, poorly handled.

2. I COULD have stayed inside, yes, but, at the same time, I have no trespassing signs up, he was in MY yard messaging me on facebook, so as far as I'm concerned, had I had the intent to fight him, its self defense, not a mutual fight.

3. I know that much, but its been a little more than a month, so, if they were going to charge him, they would have by now, and I know they haven't because they haven't charged me, and if the officer deemed it a "Mutual" fight, I would be charged for it too, since it was so mutual... and, as I said, the info my lawyer has shows where he got charged with simple possession in July, makes no mention of him beating his girlfriend in July, and makes no mention of any new charges. That info is as of today, as today was the first time I met with him since the fight.

4. I'm not so much worried that he has information on my cousin as much as I am at the way he downplayed it and ignored it when I asked. Am I worried about doing jail time? No. I didn't do what I was accused of doing, so, I have no reason to worry about it from that perspective. I guess I should have been more thorough in the question, so let me re phrase it: Should I be worried that this lawyer is going to drop me onto another lawyer now, becasue hes starting to act the the first two I had?
If you know someone wants to fight you, and you approach the area where they have said they want to meet you for a fight, that certainly looks to an outsider that this was a mutual fight.

For future reference: to stay out of trouble, call 911 and say, "There's an idiot outside revving his car and demanding that I come out and fight him."

Honestly, your whole family sounds like a bunch of stupid hotheads who think this behavior is normal. It's not. It's stupid.
 

GioSerpo

Member
Please be nice to the volunteers on this site. Zigner was right to comment on the length of your post. Most of us on the forum will not want to wade through unnecessary details to get to the legal questions.

If the attorney you have now is the third attorney you've had since you were first charged with downloading child pornography, I suppose your worry that this third lawyer will bail on you too is a reasonable concern.

My recommendation is that you work hard on avoiding trouble instead of seemingly seeking it out by associating with troublemakers.

Good luck with the trial in May.
Wasn't trying to be mean, and, while I agree that it was a long topic, I also think that if someone isn't willing to read it all, to get the context of the questions, they shouldn't reply. As I said, I do understand that none of these guys were there, and thats fine, but when someone who was there offers up everything that happened, then asks questions about possible reasons it was handled like it was, and the first reply was from someone who didn't read it, and didn't offer any useful information, thats just sloppy imo. If I see a long topic anywhere, and decide to only read parts of it, I don't reply to it, and in most forums, its against the rules to do that. I do also understand that this is ONE forum, not most forums, and rules differ from forum to forum, but at the end of the day, people should at least try to be helpful. I apologize for coming off like a jerk, that wasn't my intent.

Also, I can assure you, I don't seek out the trouble. In the case of the night of the 4th, my uncle always hosts little family get togethers on the holidays, 99.9 percent of the time, there is no trouble. in the rare cases that there is, my uncle makes the troublemakers leave, and tells them not to come back, as he did that night. When dude came back, uncle called the cops before the fight even started but abusive cousin started swinging at people before uncle got off the phone so, uncles son did fight back in self defense.

Also, Thank you, It may take a ton of luck especially since I'm not sure that this lawyer is going to bail too...
 

GioSerpo

Member
If you know someone wants to fight you, and you approach the area where they have said they want to meet you for a fight, that certainly looks to an outsider that this was a mutual fight.

For future reference: to stay out of trouble, call 911 and say, "There's an idiot outside revving his car and demanding that I come out and fight him."

Honestly, your whole family sounds like a bunch of stupid hotheads who think this behavior is normal. It's not. It's stupid.
He said to meet him in the road. I have a 200 ft driveway between my hosue and the road, and, I never even came close to the road. That said, I still don't see how it was mutual. Had he actually been in the road instead of in my driveway, and I went all the way to the road, then yea, I could see it being mutual then, but he was in my driveway, not the road.

Sadly you are mistaken though, hes the only hothead in the family. We all think hes dumb, but some of the family is closer to him then others, and sadly, my uncle who hosted that party is one of the ones that is closer to him, so, he gets invited to every party. He hsn't shown up to any of them since the 4th of July, however.

I made it clear to my uncle after that night that if abusive cousin was at the next one, I'd not be there, or if he got there after I did, I'd leave. I meant it too, I can't risk any it. I try not to be a violent person, I try to stay calm minded in any bad situation I'm in, and anyone who knows me, knows that. The officer that responded that night knew that.
 

quincy

Senior Member
For your current attorney's sake, do not add to your legal woes by getting into situations that require police intervention. You do not want to have any current acts or actions affect your trial in May.
 

GioSerpo

Member
I know that, and believe me when I tell you I don't go out looking for such situations, and in 6 years this is the first time police have had to be called over something involving me. On the 4th of July when dude came back and uncle said he was calling the police, the officers questioned everyone that was there. In that situation, I could have left before the cops got there, but at the same time, it didn't involve me, except that I saw it, and I had no reason to leave as, abusive cousin left before the cops got there.

The situation last month would have required police intervention either way, becasue had I not went out there, my other option was obviously to call the police.

Of course, I had never had the cops called on me nor had I ever been in any legal trouble at all, up until 6 years ago, and even then, I didn't do anything illegal, some detective just said I did, if that says anything about what kind of person I am. As far as that goes, I don't even drink.
 

quincy

Senior Member
I know that, and believe me when I tell you I don't go out looking for such situations, and in 6 years this is the first time police have had to be called over something involving me. On the 4th of July when dude came back and uncle said he was calling the police, the officers questioned everyone that was there. In that situation, I could have left before the cops got there, but at the same time, it didn't involve me, except that I saw it, and I had no reason to leave as, abusive cousin left before the cops got there.

The situation last month would have required police intervention either way, becasue had I not went out there, my other option was obviously to call the police.

Of course, I had never had the cops called on me nor had I ever been in any legal trouble at all, up until 6 years ago, and even then, I didn't do anything illegal, some detective just said I did, if that says anything about what kind of person I am. As far as that goes, I don't even drink.
Okay. Good.

Good luck.
 

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