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ashkyla

Member
What is the name of your state?(Oklahoma)

I was rear-ended on 12/28/05 by a 17 year old with no license, who was arrested on-scene for DUI.

The vehicle (a Dodge Ram) was insured in his father's name, through Farmer's Insurance.

My one year old daughter, myself, and my fiancé were all in my car, a 1990 Buick Century (which seemed a lot safer before it was crunched).

My daughter was in the back seat, and mercifully is fine, though both my fiancé and myself were injured, though we didn't realize it until later, when the adrenaline had worn off.

My fiancé was diagnosed in the ER with cervical sprain (aka whiplash). The ER was less than useful for me, since the same doctor did a cursory exam on both myself and my daughter (whom I took to be on the safe side) inside of ten minutes, forgot to even give me my prescriptions (said I'd have to be seen again), and dismissed me as if I was a hypochondriac, not someone who'd been in a car accident.

I went to a chiropractor to get the x-rays the ER refused to do, was examined head to toe (including a test to measure the feeling in all extremities), and was told I have severe whiplash, a slightly torn muscle in my neck, a sprained back, and that my spine was twisted almost a full inch to the left because the muscles in my back flared to protect my spine on impact, and one side flared more than the other.

I've since been referred to a neurologist for MRI because of tingling in my fingers, inability to sleep, and recurrent headaches and nausea, and am probably going to have a heart attack and expire on the spot once I see my medical bills.

Sorry for the long-windedness, but I felt there should be some context with my question, which is:

What is reasonable for me to ask for and expect to receive for pain and suffering?

I don't want to sue someone for all they're worth, or take anyone to the cleaners, but I don't want to be a doormat, either, and I know that the insurance company is going to try to wiggle out of paying much of anything.

My car is totalled, and even if they said it was fixable, my daughter would be in the back seat, in a car seat, of a car that had been seriously compromised by an accident. I can't stand the thought of putting her back into that car-fixable or not.

By the same token, I've only had that car since March of 2005. It was given to me by my grandmother, who just passed away in October of 2005. The car was named after her, and was the only tangible thing I have left of her.

So, what I'm asking is this: What should I ask for, considering my pain and suffering (not to mention the sheer blind terror of my only child screaming in the back seat, and not being able to open the rear doors to get her out), a week (and counting) with no pain medication or muscle relaxers, unable to sleep, hold my baby, or even bend over, and a week (and counting) of missed work because I'm unable to drive due to pain (and the fact that three people are now sharing one vehicle)?

I don't want to screw anyone over, but I don't trust the insurance company to act in my best interests, and I don't know my lawyer well enough to predict whether he'll settle to get a guaranteed amount, or pursue what I'm entitled to.

Any advice is much appreciated.
 


ashkyla said:
What is the name of your state?(Oklahoma)

I was rear-ended on 12/28/05 by a 17 year old with no license, who was arrested on-scene for DUI.

The vehicle (a Dodge Ram) was insured in his father's name, through Farmer's Insurance.

My one year old daughter, myself, and my fiancé were all in my car, a 1990 Buick Century (which seemed a lot safer before it was crunched).

My daughter was in the back seat, and mercifully is fine, though both my fiancé and myself were injured, though we didn't realize it until later, when the adrenaline had worn off.

My fiancé was diagnosed in the ER with cervical sprain (aka whiplash). The ER was less than useful for me, since the same doctor did a cursory exam on both myself and my daughter (whom I took to be on the safe side) inside of ten minutes, forgot to even give me my prescriptions (said I'd have to be seen again), and dismissed me as if I was a hypochondriac, not someone who'd been in a car accident.

I went to a chiropractor to get the x-rays the ER refused to do, was examined head to toe (including a test to measure the feeling in all extremities), and was told I have severe whiplash, a slightly torn muscle in my neck, a sprained back, and that my spine was twisted almost a full inch to the left because the muscles in my back flared to protect my spine on impact, and one side flared more than the other.

I've since been referred to a neurologist for MRI because of tingling in my fingers, inability to sleep, and recurrent headaches and nausea, and am probably going to have a heart attack and expire on the spot once I see my medical bills.

Sorry for the long-windedness, but I felt there should be some context with my question, which is:

What is reasonable for me to ask for and expect to receive for pain and suffering?

I don't want to sue someone for all they're worth, or take anyone to the cleaners, but I don't want to be a doormat, either, and I know that the insurance company is going to try to wiggle out of paying much of anything.

My car is totalled, and even if they said it was fixable, my daughter would be in the back seat, in a car seat, of a car that had been seriously compromised by an accident. I can't stand the thought of putting her back into that car-fixable or not.

By the same token, I've only had that car since March of 2005. It was given to me by my grandmother, who just passed away in October of 2005. The car was named after her, and was the only tangible thing I have left of her.

So, what I'm asking is this: What should I ask for, considering my pain and suffering (not to mention the sheer blind terror of my only child screaming in the back seat, and not being able to open the rear doors to get her out), a week (and counting) with no pain medication or muscle relaxers, unable to sleep, hold my baby, or even bend over, and a week (and counting) of missed work because I'm unable to drive due to pain (and the fact that three people are now sharing one vehicle)?

I don't want to screw anyone over, but I don't trust the insurance company to act in my best interests, and I don't know my lawyer well enough to predict whether he'll settle to get a guaranteed amount, or pursue what I'm entitled to.

Any advice is much appreciated.
Contact a PI lawyer and discuss your case with him/her. No one here can tell you what your case would be worth.
 

ashkyla

Member
I'm not asking for an exact amount or anything like that.

My question is mostly directed toward others who have been in similar situations. I'm more looking for a starting point, or some kind of guideline. I don't want to ask for something unrealistic-I'm more interested in a basis of determining what's reasonable, sort of by precedent of what others in the same boat have done.

Nothing like this has ever happened to me before, so I'm not sure what a generalized, basic pain and suffering request would be.

I'm not looking for some crazy, exhorbitant amount. I'm not going to spill hot coffee in my lap and sue for a million dollars or anything like that.

So, I guess I'm not really asking what my claim is worth, I just need a few basic figures from other people who have been down the same road, so I have a starting point as far as figuring out what I should ask my lawyer to go for.

(I.E. I don't have broken ribs, arm and legs like Poster A, so I won't ask for $75,000, but I don't have a sprained finger like Poster B so I want more than $1,000--that kind of thing.)
 
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shell007

Guest
I am not trying to be rude, but there really is no exact answer. If you have a PI attorney...ask him/her. They have your medical bills. No one her does nor can we measure your pain and suffering.

If you want...you can ask your lawyer to sue for a million+. He/she will then tell you what is reasonable/reality.

To be quite honest, the accident happened a whole 4-5 days ago and you are already looking to cash in. It just doesn't work that fast. This is going to take some time so try and be patient. :)
 

ashkyla

Member
shellandty said:
To be quite honest, the accident happened a whole 4-5 days ago and you are already looking to cash in.
The whole point of asking was because I'm not just trying to 'cash in'. I want this over and done with as soon as possible so I can go back to work and get on with my life. I don't intend to spend months or years in court because the insurance company thinks I'm being unreasonable-that was the whole point of posting my question.

I'm not looking for a specific, exact amount. I'm looking for a generalized idea of what my type of injuries, or similar, are considered to be 'worth' to insurance companies, for lack of better wording.

So, if someone on the forum has had whiplash, a torn muscle, sprained back, etc., and was awarded $50, $150, or $1,500; that is what I'm asking, as a starting point, or a general idea of what I can expect.

The insurance company won't answer when I ask, the lawyer wants me just to spit out some random number, and no one I know has ever been in a similar situation.

The insurance company is going to pay my medical bills, but is already hemming and hawwing about replacing my car (even though it's totalled), so I need to know what others in my situation have done. That's all.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
First of all, don't rush to settlement. Some injuries can take weeks or even months to show. Just be sure everybody is OK, as reasonably as you can, before you sign off on a settlement.

Your lawyer is going to be your best source for a "reasonable guess" for you injuries. S/he deals with this type of thing and is closer to your situation, both geographically and factually, than any of us. S/he also is aware of the climate in your area as to what is accepted as reasonable.

As far as timelines go. I'm not sure of the SOL in your state but it generally is from 1-2 years to file suit. How long before a suit is heard depends on how soon everybody is ready and how busy your courts are. Your "I don't want to spend months or years" to settle this is what it will take IF you need to sue.

As you can see there is no easy answer to most of your questions. There are too many variables.

And as far as the "hot coffee lawsuit", it's not quite how it was presented to most people. Check here http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm or here http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html

She was eventually awarded less than $500k.
 
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shell007

Guest
The insurance company is going to pay my medical bills, but is already hemming and hawwing about replacing my car (even though it's totalled), so I need to know what others in my situation have done. That's all.
If the insurance company is already "hemming and hawwing" about replacing your car...you are not going to travel an easy road here. That's already a "non-promising" first sign.

As for "getting back to work"...that has nothing to do with how much $$$ the insurance co. will settle for. You can go back to work whenever you feel well enough to do so. If your waiting to settle before going back to work...you will find yourself in the "red".

Again...just sit tight. Even if an attorney was not involved...this would still take time (not days, but months). It just doesn't work they way you are thinking/hoping that it should.

Good luck! :)
 

ashkyla

Member
Well, I finally got pain meds (hydrocodone) and muscle relaxers to help with the muscle spasms, so that's an improvement over the last 6 days.

But now the liable party's insurance company keeps calling me and trying to get me to make a recorded statement of what happened. Thus far, I've referred them to my lawyer three times, but they keep calling and acting like they've never spoken to me before, and it's starting to freak me out.

Especially, since I keep having to correct them that my mother wasn't in the car at the time of the accident, her name only shows up because we're both insured on the same policy. Jeez.

I've also heard, and read, horrible things about Farmer's Insurance and the software they use (called Collosus) to estimate the value of damages, etc., which is the topic of several current lawsuits because the software is edited to show an estimate 20% lower than the actual damages.

At this point, I'm not answering the phone if Farmer's shows up on my caller ID. They have my lawyer's phone number. They can bug him.
 

MandyD

Member
You can refer them to your attorney as long as you like, but just be aware that the longer you put off giving them a statement, something they absolutely need from you, the longer it'll be before you ever get a settlement offer from them at all.

Let me suggest YOU call your attorney so he/she can quiet your fears about giving them a statement. Just as they must hear from their insured as to what happened, they have to hear from you too and your attorney wasn't there so he/she can't give that statement for you.
 

ashkyla

Member
MandyD said:
You can refer them to your attorney as long as you like, but just be aware that the longer you put off giving them a statement, something they absolutely need from you, the longer it'll be before you ever get a settlement offer from them at all.

Let me suggest YOU call your attorney so he/she can quiet your fears about giving them a statement. Just as they must hear from their insured as to what happened, they have to hear from you too and your attorney wasn't there so he/she can't give that statement for you.
The police have my statement. My insurance company has my statement. My lawyer has my statement. Three friggin' doctors have my statement. And the lawyer said not to make a statement with Farmer's-they're supposed to contact my insurance company (Geico) and get a copy of my recorded statement from them.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
ashkyla said:
The police have my statement. My insurance company has my statement. My lawyer has my statement. Three friggin' doctors have my statement. And the lawyer said not to make a statement with Farmer's-they're supposed to contact my insurance company (Geico) and get a copy of my recorded statement from them.
Well...you can do it now or do it at the deposition - up to you I suppose...
 

justalayman

Senior Member
She is following her attorney's advice. Unless anybody can attest to the fact that the attorney is wrong in his/her actions the OP should continue to follow the attorney's direction.

What is with you folks anyway. Since when, when there is a possibility of a lawsuit, do you subject yourself to an uncontrolled and possibly damaging interview.

That is like loading up the gun so the firing squad can shoot you.
 
You can ask your attorney to set up a conference call for the recorded statement. But at some point Farmer's will need a recorded statement from you.
 

ashkyla

Member
jpritchett81 said:
You can ask your attorney to set up a conference call for the recorded statement. But at some point Farmer's will need a recorded statement from you.
At this point, he's said not to talk to the opposing insurance company. He said they may require a recorded statement at some point, but that right now, they haven't done what they're supposed to be doing to even get the claim filed with the person who hit me, so until the claim is filed properly, any statement from me is basically me doing their job for them, and until they provide me with a replacement vehicle, I'm not to speak to them.
 
ashkyla said:
At this point, he's said not to talk to the opposing insurance company. He said they may require a recorded statement at some point, but that right now, they haven't done what they're supposed to be doing to even get the claim filed with the person who hit me, so until the claim is filed properly, any statement from me is basically me doing their job for them, and until they provide me with a replacement vehicle, I'm not to speak to them.
Just try to hang in there.....insurance companies can be such a pain in the you know where :eek:
 

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