recruiter screwing me??

[garrettt333]

What is the name of your state? mo

i was charged with possesion when i was 16 and then charged with a dui and paraphenilia when i was 17 i then enlisted in the marine corps but my recruiter only got me the waivers for the stuff when i was 17 and told me that i didnt have to disclose the juvinille stuff and that it was impossible for anyone to see. the job i have will require a secuirty pass and then i will have to go through an interveiw to get it and will most likely have to disclose it then. now i want to get married before i leave in july and my recruiter said that if i did it before i left dont tell him or gunny sergent cause i will have to get a waiver for it and because of my other waivers it could disqualify me. so he told me to get through boot camp and then say...o yea by the way im married...what should i do...should i make him try and get my waivers...just tell them at boot camp when i get there...or just say o yea by they way...What is the name of your state?

 

[DRTDEVL]

STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!!

You have a VERY straightforward case for a Recruiting Impropriety investigation (whatever the Corps calls it, the Army falls under AR 15-6).

You need to contact the Recruiting Battalion's Headquarters and fill out a statement right now. You WILL be discharged from the service for Fraudulent Enlistment if you ship out. You may be discharged from the Delayed Entry Program right now for disclosing everything, but you can still re-join in the near future if you can get all the waivers (probably not the Marines, but you still may qualify for the Army or National Guard). Fraudulent Enlistment at this point will most likely preclude you from joining any service in the future... The earlier charges will be found via the FBI Fingerprint Database.

Yes, it will harm you in the short term. In the long term, not only is it the right thing to do, but it will keep the door open to the possibility of serving your country.

Don't say a word to your Recruiter... Or his Gunny. This will give them time to prepare for the investigation that will be commencing. Just go straight to his Battalion XO.

Good luck!

 

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What is the name of your state? mo

i was charged with possesion when i was 16 and then charged with a dui and paraphenilia when i was 17 i then enlisted in the marine corps but my recruiter only got me the waivers for the stuff when i was 17 and told me that i didnt have to disclose the juvinille stuff and that it was impossible for anyone to see. the job i have will require a secuirty pass and then i will have to go through an interveiw to get it and will most likely have to disclose it then. now i want to get married before i leave in july and my recruiter said that if i did it before i left dont tell him or gunny sergent cause i will have to get a waiver for it and because of my other waivers it could disqualify me. so he told me to get through boot camp and then say...o yea by the way im married...what should i do...should i make him try and get my waivers...just tell them at boot camp when i get there...or just say o yea by they way...What is the name of your state?

This trouble you had gotten into, did by chance a Marine Corps Recruiter
offer you a deal to fix your trouble by enlisting? Do you want to become a
Marine by your own free choice, and without coercion? What is your age
now? How long ago was this that you got into trouble? If you keep your
self out of trouble and if you do go into the Green Machine and do OK
without screwing up then so be it. About the waivers you mentioned,
one thing for sure is that since 9/11 everyone that has background checks
are scrutinized under a microscope, so, a word to the wise is that you do
not want to not hold back any information whatsoever. And from what
DRTDEVL posted in reply to your post is sound advice to take and follow
through on.

 

[cyberspook]

This trouble you had gotten into, did by chance a Marine Corps Recruiter
offer you a deal to fix your trouble by enlisting? Do you want to become a
Marine by your own free choice, and without coercion? What is your age
now? How long ago was this that you got into trouble? If you keep your
self out of trouble and if you do go into the Green Machine and do OK
without screwing up then so be it. About the waivers you mentioned,
one thing for sure is that since 9/11 everyone that has background checks
are scrutinized under a microscope, so, a word to the wise is that you do
not want to not hold back any information whatsoever. And from what
DRTDEVL posted in reply to your post is sound advice to take and follow
through on.

Blah Blah Blah!!!


Just listen to what DIRTDVL posted.

 

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So spook you want to challenge me in a Blah Blah Blah contest. Why not use your mind
wisely, and either disagree, agree, or say nothing. After-all, is this not wasting time
and resources; unless, you want to see your post in lights!

 

[MD425]

DRTDVL is dead on.
Don't get married.
If you do enlist stay away from the drugs and dui or you'll be out of the service with a dishonorable discharge and that will stick with you the rest of your life.

 

[boomer3d2d]

eQIP

As for the security clearance you just need to be honest when you fill out the eQIP. They do not generally release info from your SF-86 for prosecution. The reason for the process is to find out everything that you could be blackmailed for, not to peg you for something.

Do up your eQIP, reveal everything in the process, don’t say anything to anyone but the SA’s.

 

[rppearso]

If you do pot or get a DUI you will get a bad conduct discharge which is different than a dishonorable discharge, you still qualify for college financial aid and government jobs with a BCD. I guess if you are tripping on acid and rob a liquor store you will probably get a dishonorable but AWOL and pot BCD or OTH. It is amazing the number of people that perpetuate lies and deceptions to scare people into doing something they dont want to do by hyping up the charges.

In regards to the marriage: the military would say "if we wanted you to have a wife we would have issued you one". So kiss your constitutional rights and freedoms good by. I say if you want to get married then get married who cares what the military thinks.

 

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If you do pot or get a DUI you will get a bad conduct discharge which is different than a dishonorable discharge, you still qualify for college financial aid and government jobs with a BCD.

rppearso, you are part correct, that is you can go to school with having a BCD,
but if the law has changed since the last time I looked at it, you will not be able
to have a full-time job with the Government; and I suspect those with 'OTH'
may fall into this as well. Now, if I am incorrect, then please by all means
enlighten me with solid proof to the contrary.

 

[DRTDEVL]

Neither are correct...

Most OTH discharges happen with less than 36 months in service. Anything short of 36 months, and you just forfeited your MGIB.

 

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If you do pot or get a DUI you will get a bad conduct discharge which is different than a dishonorable discharge, you still qualify for college financial aid and government jobs with a BCD.

rppearso, you are part correct, that is you can go to school with having a BCD,
but if the law has changed since the last time I looked at it, you will not be able
to have a full-time job with the Government; and I suspect those with 'OTH'
may fall into this as well. Now, if I am incorrect, then please by all means
enlighten me with solid proof to the contrary.

Neither are correct...

Most OTH discharges happen with less than 36 months in service. Anything short of 36 months, and you just forfeited your MGIB.

DRTDEVL, please clarify where I am wrong in my reply to the poster. About
going to school with a BCD, I am not saying that one would be entitled to the
GI Bill education benefits; for I have a MBA that I earned with my bcd that I
worked my six off in paying for.

And where I am wrong about one getting a Federal Government position with a
BCD; and possible an OTH? Furthermore, most large Corporations do some
kind of business with the Government; and private business's' who had contracts
of 10K or more with the Government most likely would not hire someone with a
BCD because of their relationship. This I personally know from experience in 1991.

 

[rppearso]

Secuity clearances can be obtained with an OTH or general discharge it will depend upon the mitigating factors as to why you were discharged. If you dont lie cheat or steal and your life is not in shambels the fact that you were OTH discharged may just say you were incapable of tolerating a degraded quality of life in the military which has nothing to do with being able to design missle chips in a lab (if thats what you do and you happen to have an OTH discharge) and not sell the secrets to the russians. So if you told the col to go F himself as a private because you were fed up with the crap and they OTHed you (or fill in what ever scenario the military can take irrational action with you), you probably will not have a problem getting a clearance, if however your finances went to crap and you started selling drugs you may not get a clearance.

http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_secret_security_clearances_costs_time_disqualifying_conditions.htm

 

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Secuity clearances can be obtained with an OTH or general discharge it will depend upon the mitigating factors as to why you were discharged. If you dont lie cheat or steal and your life is not in shambels the fact that you were OTH discharged may just say you were incapable of tolerating a degraded quality of life in the military which has nothing to do with being able to design missle chips in a lab (if thats what you do and you happen to have an OTH discharge) and not sell the secrets to the russians. So if you told the col to go F himself as a private because you were fed up with the crap and they OTHed you (or fill in what ever scenario the military can take irrational action with you), you probably will not have a problem getting a clearance, if however your finances went to crap and you started selling drugs you may not get a clearance.

http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_secret_security_clearances_costs_time_disqualifying_conditions.htm

Earth to poster; do not believe everything you hear and to some degree in what you read until you have thoroughly searched and verified the sources! Example, goto www.microsoft.com/ and see what lies there.

 

[rppearso]

Yea its microsofts web site..... what does that have to do with disqualifying conditions for a security clearance.

 

[cyberspook]

Earth to poster; do not believe everything you hear and to some degree in what you read until you have thoroughly searched and verified the sources! Example, goto www.microsoft.com/ and see what lies there.

microsoft???