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blueboy

Member
California-
Last time we went to court we agreed that the time I had my daughter was 49% of the time. I got the parenting time tracker afterwards. I now know that I have my daughter 53% of the time. Our court order reads that for child support purposes I have my daughter 49% of the time. I have actual proof now that it is 53%. When I go back in can we refigure the time if I am only going in for child support? We have to establish how much time I actually have my child right? If I do get it changed to 53% will it change the primary residance of my daughter?
I am not going in just because of the mistake in time. My X just got a raise, and is not hiding it either.
Thanks.
 


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Legally Blonde1

Guest
blueboy said:
California-
Last time we went to court we agreed that the time I had my daughter was 49% of the time. I got the parenting time tracker afterwards. I now know that I have my daughter 53% of the time. Our court order reads that for child support purposes I have my daughter 49% of the time. I have actual proof now that it is 53%. When I go back in can we refigure the time if I am only going in for child support? We have to establish how much time I actually have my child right? If I do get it changed to 53% will it change the primary residance of my daughter?
I am not going in just because of the mistake in time. My X just got a raise, and is not hiding it either.
Thanks.
Depending on how long ago your court ordered support was modified, you can get a new modification every three years.

IF you are in court over this issue as we speak, then you will need to submit your proof then they can refigure the time spent with the children. Your X getting a raise may also change the outcome.

If you have a court order which states the other parent is to have physical, or residential custody, then no, the child will remain with the other parent. You can go back to court and show this to the Judge and ask that you both share custody 50/50 (joint legal, joint physical, and joint residential), but only if you live within the same area, and can assure that the child gets to and from school on time, if not, the amount of time you spend with your child will change.

 

blueboy

Member
Yes we live in the same area. I have had my daughter with me for 53% of the time thus far, with no complications, just because it is on paper should not change that. We already have joint physical/legal, but mom has primary residance because on paper she has our daughter 51% which is more then 50% of the time. That would change to 47% for her and 53% for me.
I know in Ca. you only have to wait 6 months after court to go back for modification of child support. Mom has gotten a raise, and I have my daughter more then what we agreed on. I have her only the days we agreed on, but it is more time then we both figured. Will I be allowed to put the correct amount of time down on paper? I agreed that the time was 49%, but that was before I had proof that it was more. Now that I have proof can I change it? Or will I be held to what the papers already say. This could mean upto a $50.00 reduction before I take into account what moms raise will do.
 
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Legally Blonde1

Guest
I live in Ca also. And unless the laws have changed in the last two months, Either party can reqest a modification every three years. I have a friend who works in the FSD, and will confirm this with them, and get back to you on it.

As far as changing the residence, are you looking to have physical and residential custody of the child or are you attempting to lower the child support amount only?

Why not share custody 50/50 and share residential custody. For 6 months the child lives with you, and the other 6 months the child lives with the mother...weekend visitations, are split as are holidays, etc.

 

blueboy

Member
We already have a great arrangment. 3 days with me, 4 days with mom. Then 4 days with me, and 3 days with mom. We have had this going for a while now.
In a few months we are going to request an income and expense declaration from mom. When I see what kind of raise she has recieved I will probably go for a reduction of
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child support, that is what my post was about. I wanted to know if I can change the 49% to 53%, which I have proof I have my daughter for that time, on paper without going for a change in parenting time/ visitation. In other words I am going in for child support reduction only! On our order it states that I have my daughter 49% of the time. In acctuality I have her 53% of the time, it was a miscalculation. Can I change that if I am going in for a child support modification?
My second question was, and I will reword it, is If I have my daughter 53% of the time does that make me primary care taker? Since she is with me more, is my house her primary residance? Can she call my house, home too?
I am not going to ask for more time, I am happy with our agreement, but it is false. It states that I have my daughter 49% when in fact it is 53%. Now that I have proof can I ask for a recalculation? Can you help me with this question?
It is every 6 months, for child support. Again I am only going in for child support not more visitation.
 
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grandpabri

Guest
They are gonna tell you joint custody no matter what...

I have a 64-36 split in my favor and still have joint physical. I wouldn't get too hung up on that.

Now according to a family member I have who works in the family law facilitators office, unless there is a 10% change in some aspect of the guideline, the court doesn't really like to re-figure.
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
Re: They are gonna tell you joint custody no matter what...

grandpabri said:
I have a 64-36 split in my favor and still have joint physical. I wouldn't get too hung up on that.

Now according to a family member I have who works in the family law facilitators office, unless there is a 10% change in some aspect of the guideline, the court doesn't really like to re-figure.

My response:

I am in complete agreement with "grandpabri". Very good comment, and accurate.

I'm not sure I understand "Legally Blonde1" concerning some 3-year Rule when it comes to Child Support modifications. The only deterrent that I'm aware of concerns whether there has been a "material change in circumstances" affecting the child. And, that material change can occur at any time, no matter when the previous order was signed. As children's needs increase, so to shall the amount of support for them - - and 3 years between changes is not a consideration.

While parenting time is a consideration, there are no rigid rules on what alterations in the parties’ affairs or other factors will constitute a "material change of circumstances" sufficient to warrant a reconsideration of a prior child support order. In general a change of circumstances may be anything that affects the financial status of either party. [In re Marriage of Catalano (1988, 1st Dist) 204 Cal App 3d 543, 251 Cal Rptr 370; In re Marriage of Hoffmeister (1984, 1st Dist) 161 Cal App 3d 1163, 208 Cal Rptr 345] A determination regarding whether a modification in a support award is warranted will be upheld in the absence of an abuse of discretion. [In re Marriage of Kepley (1987, 1st Dist) 193 Cal App 3d 946, 238 Cal Rptr 691; Philbin v Philbin (1971, 2nd Dist) 19 Cal App 3d 115, 96 Cal Rptr 408] An individual case-by-case determination is required.

In determining the amount of a child support order, the court must consider the needs of the child and the ability of both parents to provide for them. [Philbin v Philbin (1971, 2nd Dist) 19 Cal App 3d 115, 96 Cal Rptr 408] While historically courts had broad discretion to fashion child support orders, the trend has been to impose more and more strictures on the exercise of judicial discretion. Fam C §4055 establishes a guideline support formula under which child support awards are based on the net monthly disposable income of both parents and the custody time-sharing arrangements.

However, the determination of child support is not as mechanical a process as the statutory formula might suggest. Elements of discretion remain in the determination of income, and the court may depart from the formula under specified circumstances, including when "[a]pplication of the formula would be unjust or inappropriate due to special circumstances in the particular case." [Fam C §4057(b)(5)]

A change in income, in custody time-sharing arrangements, or a change affecting any of the circumstances that permit the court to deviate from guideline support calculations should constitute a change of circumstances permitting a modification of support. [See Fam C §4057 (describing the factors permitting rebuttal of the presumptive guideline support amount), and Fam C §§4058, 4059 (describing the computation of annual gross income and net disposable income)] Nevertheless, in the absence of a finding by the trial court that one of the special circumstances prescribed by statute applies, child support must be ordered in accordance with the guideline formula. [In re Marriage of Carter (1994, 1st Dist.) 26 Cal.App.4th 1024, 1028–29, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d 1]

The published cases generally support the view that any change of circumstances materially affecting the ability of a parent to pay support or the needs of the child can serve as a basis for modification of an order. However, the published decisions do not address the panoply of modification requests commonly encountered in family courts, and recent statutory changes have left the law somewhat unsettled. Generally, the following situations will support a finding of changed circumstances.

The needs of the child will also a factor in determining the amount of child support. Measurement in needs in relationship to parental standard of living will be considered. It is the rule with respect to spousal support that an increase in support requires not only a showing that the obligor’s income has increased but that the supported spouse’s needs have increased since the last award or, if not, were not met under the prior award and continue to be unmet. Further, needs must bear some relationship to the standard of living of the parties during their marriage, and not the standard of living of the supporting spouse at the time of the modification hearing. [In re Marriage of Hoffmeister (1987, 1st Dist) 191 Cal App 3d 351, 236 Cal Rptr 543]

The rule is otherwise with respect to child support. The law mandates that child support be set and modified with the living standards of both parents in mind at a level beyond the bare necessities of life if possible. A child’s "need" for more than the bare necessities thus varies with the parents’ circumstances. [In re Marriage of Catalano (1988, 1st Dist) 204 Cal App 3d 543, 251 Cal Rptr 370] The "needs" of the child are thus variable, fluctuating with the change in the parents’ standard of living. A parent’s first and principal obligation is to support his or her minor children according to the parent’s circumstances and station in life. [Fam C §4053(a)] If the noncustodial parent enjoys a marked increase in his or her standard of living, changed circumstances are established and the support order must be modified to reflect the increase.

It is of no consequence that the custodial parent is incidentally benefited by the increase. [Fam C §4053(f)] Children should share in the standard of living of both parents. Child support may therefore appropriately improve the standard of living of the custodial household to improve the lives of the children. [See Re Marriage of Aylesworth (1980, 2nd Dist) 106 Cal App 3d 869, 165 Cal Rptr 389 (order for $3,600 monthly child support for four children upheld, in light of supporting father’s monthly after-tax income of $22,500 despite a practical inability to distinguish between the children’s and the mother’s lifestyles), and White v Marciano (1987, 2nd Dist) 190 Cal App 3d 1026, 235 Cal Rptr 779 (father with gross yearly income of $1 million ordered to pay $1,500 a month for baby living in modest apartment with mother who made $14,000 a year)]

Nevertheless, the Family Code recognizes that guideline support may exceed the needs of the child. Fam C §4057(b)(3) provides that the presumption that guideline support is correct may be rebutted where the parent being ordered to pay child support has an extraordinarily high income and the amount determined under the formula would exceed the needs of the children. [See also In re Marriage of Katz (1988, 2nd Dist) 201 Cal App 3d 1029, 247 Cal Rptr 562 (court may order payment of amounts necessary to provide support; statutes do not appear to be aimed at insuring that children are provided with luxurious lifestyles)]

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crystal2

Guest
How much child support are you paying if mom only has your child 2% more than you? What is that- like 7 or 8 days more than you?
 

blueboy

Member
my newest order is 250.00 a month. This is based on 49%, not the real amount of time which is 53%. I don't make a lot of money, and my X doesn't make a lot of money. She is making more now, very close to what I am making. This is also based on me having 49%, when in all acctuality it is 53%. We share joint custody, that is what our order says. Also, according to our court order my X has primary custody. We are supposed to share all disicion making, but for some reason she is doing some of it without me because she says she is primary custodian. The only reason she has primary is because on our last court order she had our child more then me, yes even if it was 2% she had more which made her the primary care taker. I think that, that should be changed because I have her more then she does. My daughter refers to both of our houses as home. However, if she calls my house home in front of her mom she is repremanded. Mom is constantly reminding me that she is the PRIMARY CUSTODIAN. I want that changed. We share joint custody, I can't explain the way it was written up, but that is how it was written up.
I want our order to reflect the fact that I have my daughter more then her mother does. Is that possible?
IAAL, was that a yes or no?
 

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