stateofconfusio
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What is the name of your state?NY, person causing the problem is in CA
This is a long, twisted story. . .I've tried to weed out everything that's not necessary, while keeping in the important stuff.
Warning. .the purebred dog world is . . well, wonky.
Ten years ago, I set out to find a breeder of a particular breed of dog. . I found what seemed like the perfect breeder: Kind, intelligent, willing to help a newbie out. I did some checks into her(reference checks), and other than one outrageous claim she used her dogs to traffic dogs across the border, nobody said one bad word about her(and even today, that claim is outrageous)
Three years later, I have a beautiful 2 yr old girl, and we have a falling out, over stupid things. I was researching information on a problem in our breed, and passing on anything i Learned to an email list I am on. . she screamed at me, saying my interest meant I believed her bloodline had it, and really went off the deepend. My intereste stemmed from the fact the sire of my first litter died of this problem. She tried to blackball me with the national breed club, and I quickly decided that I didn't need that in my life, and cut all ties with her.
Upon hearing we were no longer friends, people came out of the woodwork. . We'd've said something, but we were afraid. .Bologna, there's ways to warn someone without slandering them.
One lady, we'll call her Jane, came to me, and befriended me. . I was young and gullible. .I know that now. . .She listened to me scream, and rant over the treatment I had received, and told me her story. She had sold a dog(Rufus) to this breeder, who then insisted he had a bad bite. She used him once, and then placed him, violating the contract. I know what litter he sired, and it was born 8 months before my girl was. Breeder refused to tell Jane about the pups, and placed them.
Jane told me they were positive she had registered the pups under a different sire, and had a number of people willing to let them DNA their dogs to prove this. She had me worried that my girl's papers would be pulled. .AKC was not puppy buyer friendly at that time. . and if a litter was found to be misregistered, you were up a creek without a paddle. .owner of a $750-$1000+ dog that was useless to you as a breeder/show person. I informed Jane that if my girl lost her papers, I would sue the breeder. Jane continued to stoke my worries, adding to my paranoia, and capitalized on my ignorance of simple dog genetics to further her cause against the breeder.
Then Jane disappeared.
I got on with my life, found a wonderful breed mentor, who distilled a lot of the falsehoods Jane had given me. I then took it upon myself to research my girl, and what i found eased the rest of my worries.
Fast fwd a few years, and the breeder finally does something we can nail her on, attributing a litter of pups of a color impossible with the parents she had listed. Anyone who has an iota of genetic classes knows to get a dominant color, you have to have a parent that color. With the help of AKC's new DNA program(that no longer punished puppy buyers, would reissue papers with correct parentage), and a number of people donating the $$ to get it done, we were able to nail her. We did this through Jane's new Husband, a lawyer out in CA. . .We were given reassurance that the money would be returned if the cases were found legit(AKC will return the $500 if your complaint is valid), but when the time came and we were found to be right, he decided to keep the money for 'services rendered'. We finally wrote it off as a bad choice, just happy to have the breeder exposed. From the time I broke off from her, and the time this happened, she had been cranking out pups. . totally unlike what she had been when I knew her. . .numbers went from 6-7 to almost 30 in about 3 yrs.
Fast fwd again. My girl is now 9, has produced two lovely litters, and has a few litters of grandchildren on the ground . Those who are competing are doing rather well(extremely well in some cases). All topic at this point about the breeeder has been banned from the reputable email lists, so Jane has started her own list to trash the breeder and anyone else she feels like.
Last fall, I get a copy of some of the garbage Jane is passing around. WIth half truths, and outright fabrications, she and friends are spreading lies that I bred my girl, who I KNEW her pedigree was not right(No such thing). She is using IM converstaions I had with her almost 7 years ago, and not giving the full story, all to further her campaign. These lies have almost cost me sales, one of my puppy buyers had someone try to dissuade them from buying a pup because all dogs coming down from my girl were going to have their papers yanked. All this gotten from Jane's lies. . .Thankfully the puppy buyer asked me about it, I told her my story, and she bought the pup anyway
I once again did my research, and came up with the same answer as the previous time. . .and decided to ignore the attacks. . those who I respect in the breed don't care, and won't listen to the crap. .those with nothing better to do, will listen. . but they're not the type of people I want to deal with anyway. Within my investigation, I talked a long time with someone who had once been friends with the breeder, spent a lot of time with her, and knew a lot. While we were disproving the accusations of wrong sires, she mentioned to me she had witnessed the breeder attempting to fix Rufus' bite with a dremel.
In replying to a friend and the person who had brought this to my attention, I mentioned what i had heard in passing. . .none of us have love for the breeder, and it just proved how far she was willing to go to win.
Unfortunately for stupid, trusting me, that woman fwded the email to Jane, who sent a nasty email to a good friend of mine, that she and her husband were goign to sue me over this.
I did a lot of research today(when I should've been working LOL), and it seems they have no grounds. . she wants to call and talk to me, to demand i publically apologize. . not sure for what. .I didn't accuse her of saying/doing anything, but she sure has accused me of a lot.
Help?
A side note. .this same. . lawyer tried to sue me and my list owners a few years back when we put a stop to a slander attack on the Breeder. . .nothing ever came of it, tho he did sent a nice little letter threatening us. . .it was enough to make a co owner resign from the breed list.
I do find it ironically funny that I found this information out researching the lies she's spreading.
This is a long, twisted story. . .I've tried to weed out everything that's not necessary, while keeping in the important stuff.
Warning. .the purebred dog world is . . well, wonky.
Ten years ago, I set out to find a breeder of a particular breed of dog. . I found what seemed like the perfect breeder: Kind, intelligent, willing to help a newbie out. I did some checks into her(reference checks), and other than one outrageous claim she used her dogs to traffic dogs across the border, nobody said one bad word about her(and even today, that claim is outrageous)
Three years later, I have a beautiful 2 yr old girl, and we have a falling out, over stupid things. I was researching information on a problem in our breed, and passing on anything i Learned to an email list I am on. . she screamed at me, saying my interest meant I believed her bloodline had it, and really went off the deepend. My intereste stemmed from the fact the sire of my first litter died of this problem. She tried to blackball me with the national breed club, and I quickly decided that I didn't need that in my life, and cut all ties with her.
Upon hearing we were no longer friends, people came out of the woodwork. . We'd've said something, but we were afraid. .Bologna, there's ways to warn someone without slandering them.
One lady, we'll call her Jane, came to me, and befriended me. . I was young and gullible. .I know that now. . .She listened to me scream, and rant over the treatment I had received, and told me her story. She had sold a dog(Rufus) to this breeder, who then insisted he had a bad bite. She used him once, and then placed him, violating the contract. I know what litter he sired, and it was born 8 months before my girl was. Breeder refused to tell Jane about the pups, and placed them.
Jane told me they were positive she had registered the pups under a different sire, and had a number of people willing to let them DNA their dogs to prove this. She had me worried that my girl's papers would be pulled. .AKC was not puppy buyer friendly at that time. . and if a litter was found to be misregistered, you were up a creek without a paddle. .owner of a $750-$1000+ dog that was useless to you as a breeder/show person. I informed Jane that if my girl lost her papers, I would sue the breeder. Jane continued to stoke my worries, adding to my paranoia, and capitalized on my ignorance of simple dog genetics to further her cause against the breeder.
Then Jane disappeared.
I got on with my life, found a wonderful breed mentor, who distilled a lot of the falsehoods Jane had given me. I then took it upon myself to research my girl, and what i found eased the rest of my worries.
Fast fwd a few years, and the breeder finally does something we can nail her on, attributing a litter of pups of a color impossible with the parents she had listed. Anyone who has an iota of genetic classes knows to get a dominant color, you have to have a parent that color. With the help of AKC's new DNA program(that no longer punished puppy buyers, would reissue papers with correct parentage), and a number of people donating the $$ to get it done, we were able to nail her. We did this through Jane's new Husband, a lawyer out in CA. . .We were given reassurance that the money would be returned if the cases were found legit(AKC will return the $500 if your complaint is valid), but when the time came and we were found to be right, he decided to keep the money for 'services rendered'. We finally wrote it off as a bad choice, just happy to have the breeder exposed. From the time I broke off from her, and the time this happened, she had been cranking out pups. . totally unlike what she had been when I knew her. . .numbers went from 6-7 to almost 30 in about 3 yrs.
Fast fwd again. My girl is now 9, has produced two lovely litters, and has a few litters of grandchildren on the ground . Those who are competing are doing rather well(extremely well in some cases). All topic at this point about the breeeder has been banned from the reputable email lists, so Jane has started her own list to trash the breeder and anyone else she feels like.
Last fall, I get a copy of some of the garbage Jane is passing around. WIth half truths, and outright fabrications, she and friends are spreading lies that I bred my girl, who I KNEW her pedigree was not right(No such thing). She is using IM converstaions I had with her almost 7 years ago, and not giving the full story, all to further her campaign. These lies have almost cost me sales, one of my puppy buyers had someone try to dissuade them from buying a pup because all dogs coming down from my girl were going to have their papers yanked. All this gotten from Jane's lies. . .Thankfully the puppy buyer asked me about it, I told her my story, and she bought the pup anyway
I once again did my research, and came up with the same answer as the previous time. . .and decided to ignore the attacks. . those who I respect in the breed don't care, and won't listen to the crap. .those with nothing better to do, will listen. . but they're not the type of people I want to deal with anyway. Within my investigation, I talked a long time with someone who had once been friends with the breeder, spent a lot of time with her, and knew a lot. While we were disproving the accusations of wrong sires, she mentioned to me she had witnessed the breeder attempting to fix Rufus' bite with a dremel.
In replying to a friend and the person who had brought this to my attention, I mentioned what i had heard in passing. . .none of us have love for the breeder, and it just proved how far she was willing to go to win.
Unfortunately for stupid, trusting me, that woman fwded the email to Jane, who sent a nasty email to a good friend of mine, that she and her husband were goign to sue me over this.
I did a lot of research today(when I should've been working LOL), and it seems they have no grounds. . she wants to call and talk to me, to demand i publically apologize. . not sure for what. .I didn't accuse her of saying/doing anything, but she sure has accused me of a lot.
Help?
A side note. .this same. . lawyer tried to sue me and my list owners a few years back when we put a stop to a slander attack on the Breeder. . .nothing ever came of it, tho he did sent a nice little letter threatening us. . .it was enough to make a co owner resign from the breed list.
I do find it ironically funny that I found this information out researching the lies she's spreading.
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