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Alaska landlord

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Alaska

The fact that tenants lie in their application is a known fact. If this was not so there would be no need to verify the contents of the application. That smoking tenants lie is almost always a given since the likelihood of getting an apartment will likely depend on whether or not the tenant smokes. Very few landlords allow smoking in apartments due to the damage caused, and the need for repainting after the tenant vacates. Does the landlord need a legal basis to to assume that a smoking tenant will smoke in the home despite claiming that he doesn't? No, but the landlord is free to form any opinion he or she wishes. It is only after the landlord acts that the tenant can challenge the landlord. It is up to the tenant to make a case for an unjustified rejection or termination of the lease agreement based on the contents of the lease and application.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 


Cvillecpm

Senior Member
When possible, I always walk prospects to their car after viewing a rental property and check the inside for the condition, trash, ashtrays, etc.

While most smokers can go 10 to 15 minutes without lighting up; however, I have had prospects light up the MINUTE we are outside and then LIE on their application.

I ONLY smoke outside is almost as good as I ONLY have an outside dog.
 

phase08

Member
So what's the question?

Alaska Landlord - Your post is incorrect and obviously was written as an attempt to retaliate for the thread which was locked up because of your disruptions. I have never seen or heard of a lease which forbids smoking - although I'm sure they exist. However, I do know of rooming situations which prohibit smoking. Do you have any links or resources which back up any of your assertions?

Also, while most property management companies have an application. many/most private landlords do not. Again, if you have any citations proving otherwise, please post.

As someone said, if you think all tenants are liars and scum (and it's obvious that you do) you shouldn't be a landlord.

It’s a shame that people cannot come here to get legitimate answers without having threads muddled up with garbage and personal vendettas. These forums are for people to get help and answers, not for you to hammer away about something which was irrelevant to the discussion to begin with.
 
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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
So what's the question?

Alaska Landlord - Your post is incorrect and obviously was written as an attempt to retaliate for the thread which was locked up because of your disruptions.
Really? And how much experience do YOU have? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Cvillecpm

Senior Member
I wrote leases with no smoking AT THE PROPERTY wording in them in Hawaii 25+ years ago....the damage to the property and surrounding neighbors objections was the reason.

I've had SMOKER _____ Yes ____No on my rental applications for longer than that.

Smokers are NOT a protected class and they are being discriminated against BIG TIME * says she that was born in a tobacco state and has lived in 3 tobacco states for the majority of her life!!
 

lrwilson

Junior Member
Frist of all, AL, I don't know who you claim to be speaking for.

I've neen a landlord for a long, long time. I have one rooming house aone one 4-unit apt building. I allow smoking in the rooming house, and in one of the apartments. I do use an application but it does not ask about smoking. If someone is interested in the non-smoking unit, I have an addendum which they sign, whihc also makes it clear that guests are not allowed to smoke in there.

I think sniffing around in people's cars is ridiculous. Who knows who was in the car or whose car it is?

The rooming house has more turnover and payment problems (my rental standards for that place have been more loose, and I regretted it - but it has nothing to do with smoking). But the tenants in the apartment building have been stable. The person who is in the non-smoking unit now has been there over a year. (previous tenant was there 5 years) and I haven't had a smoking issue.

I seem to be the exception in my circle of landlord friends. Thwey don't have non-smoking units.
 

Alaska landlord

Senior Member
I have never seen or heard of a lease which forbids smoking - although I'm sure they exist. However, I do know of rooming situations which prohibit smoking. Do you have any links or resources which back up any of your assertions?*
Links to what? That landlords have clauses in their leases prohibiting smoking? Did you not just knowledge that you are aware that they exist in both corporate and private residential businesses?



Also, while most property management companies have an application. many/most private landlords do not. Again, if you have any citations proving otherwise, please post.
Private landlords that rent without leases and or applications usually go out of business pretty fast or can be found in websites such as this.

As someone said, if you think all tenants are liars and scum (and it's obvious that you do) you shouldn't be a landlord.*
I go on the assumption that applicants "may be" and rent accordingly after reviewing and verifying the information supplied to me by the applicant.


It’s a shame that people cannot come here to get legitimate answers without having threads muddled up with garbage and personal vendettas. These forums are for people to get help and answers, not for you to hammer away about something which was irrelevant to the discussion to begin with.
Stop posting and you would have made great strides in helping keep this website free of muddled up posts. Sorry if you are a smoker and feel discriminated against, but we landlords have our property to protect and we can't be concerned about you freedom to indulge in your vice.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
So what's the question?

Alaska Landlord - Your post is incorrect and obviously was written as an attempt to retaliate for the thread which was locked up because of your disruptions. I have never seen or heard of a lease which forbids smoking - although I'm sure they exist. However, I do know of rooming situations which prohibit smoking. Do you have any links or resources which back up any of your assertions?

Also, while most property management companies have an application. many/most private landlords do not. Again, if you have any citations proving otherwise, please post.

As someone said, if you think all tenants are liars and scum (and it's obvious that you do) you shouldn't be a landlord.

It’s a shame that people cannot come here to get legitimate answers without having threads muddled up with garbage and personal vendettas. These forums are for people to get help and answers, not for you to hammer away about something which was irrelevant to the discussion to begin with.
**A: it appears that you are out of phase maybe due to reverse polarity or insufficient grounding.
 

Alaska landlord

Senior Member
Frist of all, AL, I don't know who you claim to be speaking for.

I've neen a landlord for a long, long time. I have one rooming house aone one 4-unit apt building. I allow smoking in the rooming house, and in one of the apartments. I do use an application but it does not ask about smoking. If someone is interested in the non-smoking unit, I have an addendum which they sign, whihc also makes it clear that guests are not allowed to smoke in there.

I think sniffing around in people's cars is ridiculous. Who knows who was in the car or whose car it is?

The rooming house has more turnover and payment problems (my rental standards for that place have been more loose, and I regretted it - but it has nothing to do with smoking). But the tenants in the apartment building have been stable. The person who is in the non-smoking unit now has been there over a year. (previous tenant was there 5 years) and I haven't had a smoking issue.

I seem to be the exception in my circle of landlord friends. Thwey don't have non-smoking units.
You are allowed to rent to anyone you like and that is how it should be. Apparently, you know your market and it would be detrimental to your bottom line if you discriminate against smokers. I will assume that you also know that a majority of non-smokers will not rent from any of your "smoking' apartments. I will also assume that you know that extensive cleaning and painting will have to be performed on those apartments if you decide to rent to,or sell to a non-smoker.

Checking peoples vehicles is a great way to determine what kind of tenant you are about to rent to. Trashed-out car = trashed-out apartment.
 

lrwilson

Junior Member
I will assume that you also know that a majority of non-smokers will not rent from any of your "smoking' apartments. I will also assume that you know that extensive cleaning and painting will have to be performed on those apartments if you decide to rent to,or sell to a non-smoker.
You assume correctly. As I already said, I've been a landlord for a long, long time. I also clearly said that only one pat. is non-smoking, so it stands to reason that place is not rented to smokers. I also am aware that I can rent to whoever I want, but thanks for the reminder. :rolleyes:

Smelling and checking cars? No, thanks. One of my best tenants takes the bus; when she came to apply someone drove her over in a fancy clean car that may very well have been on the verge of repossession. Another good tenant occasionally uses a relatives junky car but keeps his place immaculate. One of the trucks I use is full of tools and is never pristeen. That has nothing to do with the condition of the home I live in.
 

RRevak

Senior Member
You are allowed to rent to anyone you like and that is how it should be. Apparently, you know your market and it would be detrimental to your bottom line if you discriminate against smokers. I will assume that you also know that a majority of non-smokers will not rent from any of your "smoking' apartments. I will also assume that you know that extensive cleaning and painting will have to be performed on those apartments if you decide to rent to,or sell to a non-smoker.

Checking peoples vehicles is a great way to determine what kind of tenant you are about to rent to. Trashed-out car = trashed-out apartment.
Dont be too sure about that...my car is absolutely horrid for a fair majority of the time. I have a 5yr old, a barn (where lots and lots of dirt comes from), a hairy dog we take to the beach all the time, and a certain addiction (myself) to Starbucks coffee (hehe thats very apparent by the cups that accumulate in my car LOL) and despite the conditions of my car my house is actually very clean. The apartments I had before my house were also very clean. I only have so much time and energy to devote to cleaning and my car is generally LAST on my list LOL

:D:rolleyes::D:rolleyes:
 
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