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Sold a Used, As Is, No Warranty Car on Ebay

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Accamaar

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Missouri

We bought this used Ford Focus CX2(?) last June 2006 from a buyer in our state. The seller said that it had been in a small fender bender and had some work done to get it in the state that it was when we bought it. It did not have air bags, had some seat belt problems, but otherwise seemed fine at the time. Since we were buying it for about $2500 under good blue value, we thought we were getting a good deal. We bought it for $2900.

We then took it to the shop and spent an additional $3000 on repairs to correct problems with the CV joints and a bunch of front end issues, likely from the fender bender, and to correct the seat belt problems. We figured at the time that we had bought a used car and that it was our responsibility to get it checked over by a mechanic but did not pursue it. We felt we had fixed the problems and that the car was running very well.

In October of 2006, we moved out into the country and after a 15" snow we decided the car was not suitable for where we lived. It took us 4 days to get out even after the drive way was cleared. So we recently sold the car on Ebay to an Iowa buyer. We disclosed that the car had previous damage, that to the best of our knowledge any structural damage had been fixed by a reputable mechanic (Custom Muffler and the a Ford Dealership), it had passed inspection, and much of what I have mentioned above.

My husband drove it up to the guy for free and noticed no problems on the trip there. Three days later the guy is claiming that the axil is bent, the tires are rubbing, there are electrical problems, and wants to be compensated for it. He bought the car from us for $2750. We knew we would take a pretty big loss on the car but accepted it. He has provided no receipts to verify his claims. His claims seem to change. And frankly, I can not help but feel that the guy is lying about parts of it. His recent claim is that my husband agreed to compensate him for the tires but I know for fact that he did not. Actually regarding this last...first he claimed that my husband agreed to pay for the tires, now it is that he agreed to pay for half of the tires. In another claim he said the car was not running and then that he was going to drive it down and drop it off with our sherriff. He has called about 20 times, left numerous phone messages and emails. And lastly, tonight he called and left about about a 2 minute message cussing my husband out because he told him that the guy should have his lawyer contact us the next time he wanted to communicate with us. Quite honestly, we are feeling a bit intimidated by this man and questioning his stability. The impression that I am getting is that the guy is trying to bully us into compensating his claims as proof that we knew that there was something wrong with the car when we sold it. However, why would we drive it 300 miles if we thought there was a problem or that the car was undrivable? Also, it seems odd that either of the mechanics that we took it to would not have caught the bent axil thing since they were charging us so much to get the car fixed to begin with and then we did not notice any problems when driving it.

We have kept any recorded correspondence and the emails in case this goes to court. The way that the lemon laws in both Iowa and Missouri read, is that used cars are not covered by it, only cars under warranty and new cars. I could be wrong about this though. I guess my questions include:
What legal problems might we anticipate arising from this sale?
Should we get a restraining order in case he turns violent? So far he is just persistent, but with the latest message, my husband has begun to wonder if it is safe to leave me at home. I am a recent breast cancer surviver and have been sick since last November with what I am told is not a recurrence..but it is keeping me out of work anyway. I don't have much energy to defend myself in the instance that this guy might become violent.

Sorry for the long saga.

Thanks for any advice!
Accamaar
 


"as is" and "no warranty" mean exactly that ... so he's got no leg to stand on if he were to sue you.

Send a certified letter, Return Receipt Requested (and one regular mail) stating that the car was "as is" and you need him to stop harassing you. If he continues to harass you, you can call the police, be sure keep every email, and log the time and date every time he calls you by using the *57 feature on your telephone (1 dollar per use, but it's best for logging when he calls) You don't have to answer the phone to use this feature, wait till it stops ringing, pick up the phone, and dial *57. (*57 is not available on cell phones, but all calls are logged on the bill anyhow)

--Dave.
 
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You Are Guilty

Senior Member
Were there airbags in the car when you sold it? (There may be a Federal regulation which overrides the "as is" aspect of the sale if there weren't).
 

xylene

Senior Member
If the buyer wants to leave his car with the sherriff, thats his business.

He would be liable for the storage charges for his car he chose to abandon....

You are not on the hook for this man's car repairs.

Unless there is more to this than you state, You Are Guilty's point about certain federal regualtions about the airbag issue would appear to not apply.

It is not illegal to sell a car without repairing deployed airbags. It is absolutely legal for a private party in an AS IS sale to sell a vehicle whose airbags have been deployed.

Unless you are a car dealer or repair proffessional it is not even illegal to install those fake airbag "covers" under federal law.
 

xylene

Senior Member
"it did not have airbags" is what I'm questioning - deployed vs. removed are two different things.
It is not illegal for a private party to remove airbags or sell a vehicle which has had the airbags removed either. Some states will not pass inspection on cars that are factory equipped with airbags that have been removed, MO is not one of them. And the legality of vehicle for on road use in their state would be an issue well covered under buyer beware.

Custom steering wheels...
 

You Are Guilty

Senior Member
It is not illegal for a private party to remove airbags or sell a vehicle which has had the airbags removed either. Some states will not pass inspection on cars that are factory equipped with airbags that have been removed, MO is not one of them. And the legality of vehicle for on road use in their state would be an issue well covered under buyer beware.

Custom steering wheels...
I had a removable Grant wheel in my last car. :D

For some reason, I had it in my head that sellers were covered under the "don't touch the airbag" rule, but upon reading the regs again, I'm not sure where I got that idea from. I will withdraw my prior objection :eek:
 

ForFun

Member
Unless you fraudulently induced him to buy the car by making untrue claims, I cannot see this guy having a realistic case in the slightest (as others pointed out).

Moreover, he bought a used car for $2700 without even seeing it in person. What could he possibly expect? :confused:
 
Unless you fraudulently induced him to buy the car by making untrue claims, I cannot see this guy having a realistic case in the slightest (as others pointed out).

Moreover, he bought a used car for $2700 without even seeing it in person. What could he possibly expect? :confused:
As is (or as-is) is a legal term and concept used to disclaim liability for an item being sold. "As-is" denotes that the seller is selling, and the buyer is buying an item in whatever condition it presently exists, and that the buyer is accepting the item "with all faults", whether or not immediately apparent. This is the classic "buyer beware" situation, where the careful buyer should take the time to examine the item before accepting it, or obtain expert advice. Oddly, the seller is also saddled with "as-is" if the item being sold turns out to be much more valuable than thought.

On the other hand, if the item is misrepresented, then this disclaimer may be an ineffective defense. In other words, it may be purchased "as-is", but the buyer is stuck with it only if it substantially conforms to what the seller claimed it to be (an express warranty or representation may override a general express disclaimer).

A seller of a used automobile, for example, sells his car to a buyer, and puts into the contract of sale, the statement: "The buyer accepts the automobile AS-IS, WITH ALL FAULTS". Two minutes after the buyer drives off with his shiny '87 Honda Accord, the engine seizes, and the car stalls. Unless the buyer can show that there was some fraud involved in making the sale (maybe it is actually a mismarked 1976 Gremlin), he is stuck with the car without any recourse to return the car to the seller, or to get his money back. This would be a specific example where fraud in the inducement could outweigh anything in the contract, express or implied: it simply doesn't matter what disclaimer or limitations may be found in the contract, if the contract is void (or voidable) for any reason.

Disgruntled buyers of real estate, and their respective improvements, may be faced with other complicated property law issues if a deed is conveyed as a result of a contract with an "as-is" clause.
 

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