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Sue a college part 1

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madpoetx

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Pennsylvania

I transferred from a two year college in California to a 4 year university in a major city on the Eastern Seaboard with a reasonably well-known name last fall(2008) with a respectable GPA of 3.3 with approximately 73 units completed and 60 transferred. The school, of course, painted a rosy picture of the area, despite giving little to no transition information and even less transitional assistance.
After being accepted, I tried several times to fill out a required online orientation course from this school, which advertised itself as being one of the nations "most connected campuses" or some such bs, which of course was required to register online for courses. Finally after a great deal of frustration, several phone calls to inept and ignorant student workers in its orientation office(which should have hinted me about the problems which were to come), I was told that I would have to wait until I got to the campus before I could take an in person orientation class, which meant that I couldn't pre-register for any of the classes I wanted, despite making the deadlines for many of the filing requirements.
I had also applied for student housing, and my deposit for said housing was taken, despite the fact that they had neglected to point out in any of their transfer student literature that transfer students who were not freshmen would not be getting student housing, which I found out in a letter that I got in the mail shortly before the semester was to begin, along with the return of my deposit.
Scrambling to find housing, I hurriedly found a place using craigslist. Having never been to the city in question, I settled on an affordable room for rent that was near a subway line that by appearance, seemed to service the university well. With no real transition assistance from the school, nobody giving me any information that I didn’t have to practically work out of them at gunpoint, I began preparing for my relocation and the upcoming year. I had saved approximately $4000 worth of cash from working insane hours at my job before my relocation(which attributed to the marginally lower GPA, and the first semester that I didn’t make Honors and the president’s list before my transfer) and had contracted with a moving company to move across the country. My moving company cheated me (but that is another story) and I ended up in Philadelphia with very little money and only about half of my belongings (notably a lot less electrical items).
I finally arrived in the city and at the school a month before the semester was to start. With little to no money after my moving experience, I was again scrambling, this time to get a job, and to finish my requirements for getting into classes. Because I had to wait until showing up at campus to take an orientation class, I was stuck with horrible classes and an even worse schedule which did nothing to help me in acquiring a job. After some time and starting classes, I finally found a job that would help me to survive, a bartending job at a local bar near my house. This did not last long however, as one day 3 weeks into my working there, an individual was stabbed in the neck with a beer bottle, and business after that would sharply drop off. The owner was forced to let me go as a result of the drop in business, and I was again jobless and scrounging for the money it took to get to and from classes on the subway.
My attendance by this time only marginally suffered, and I was able to find a job about a month later working as a doorman and security at a local establishment that was just off the campus where I went to school. However, I would find out that there was no subway service at night when I got off work, and I would be forced, in order to both survive and to make it to classes at all, to find a way to get to and from work, which often had me out until 4 am just trying to get home after getting off at 2:30am. With classes at 8:00am, my attendance suffered at times simply because I didn’t have the energy to get out of bed after walking for so long at night. Suffering from severe depression (as has been diagnosed since), it took all the energy I could muster to pull myself out of the situation, and to find an apartment closer to campus, which I did approximately halfway through the semester. Unfortunately, another thing that wasn’t in the brochure when I enrolled in this University was the fact that it was located in the middle of an area that was EXTREMELY heavy in crime and gang activity.
While at work, I would receive death threats daily from criminal elements that didn’t appreciate me curbing their activities in my workplace, be exposed to the same dangerous elements while walking the streets, both on and off campus, a campus where for the past two years in a row, an individual was shot on the first day of freshmen orientation, with the first victim in 2008 being a security guard posted for the campus, and the second victim in 2009 being a student. Both incidents, while greatly talked about among the students, never made it into the newspapers of the area. In truth, fear for personal safety is a common element in many of the group conversations of the students at this university.
With nobody in the area that I knew, and pressure to maintain my job or starve, I forced myself, while attending classes and dealing with all of the violence, hostility and death around me, to maintain my composure, and to be a symbol of strength in the job where it was literally my job requirement to do so. I was routinely patting people down at my job and having to turn them away for having firearms on them, many of them making both threats and threatening gestures towards me for the “disrespect” I was showing them by doing what was my job.
Having been a former aircraft mechanic, I am a bit hard of hearing. Being unable to often hear my Japanese instructor, I would often have difficulty in understanding the soft tones of her voice, and miss many parts of lessons simply because I felt ashamed to even point out the fact that I couldn’t hear her. I mentioned it once or twice outside of class, and she did make an effort to be heard, but there were still many times in which I simply could not hear what was being said. And with little sleep to go with this, many of my classes suffered as a result, even if I did wake up in time to attend them, I would find little time to complete the homework that they required, which with the accounting and math classes, were often a daily thing.
By the end of the semester, I felt like I had walked through a minefield and hit every mine in it. Trying to get help from anyone who was in an administrative job netted no results. My advisor, when I could figure out which one was mine, as they had changed during the semester, would not schedule walkins, the office told me I had to make appointments online, my computer at home would simply not access the school’s ridiculously intricate online system, which often required 3-4 passwords to access even the basic functions, and I had no time to use the school’s computers because my job, and life simply required me to be elsewhere. I was literally in chaos.
As a result, I decided to take the following semester off, in order to refocus myself and prepare to start again with a clean slate in the following fall semester, which I am now just completing. However, with a final GPA for the semester of 0.97 (remarkably with an A in one of my classes, which was the only one which didn’t have some form of scheduling conflict with my life), I was obviously a bit distraught. I eventually began counseling through the Department of Veteran’s Affairs for this and other issues in my life and have been since, although in the past month, I’ve been forced through my schedule to miss a few appointments.
Meanwhile, I looked for avenues in which I could address this with the school, but each time I tried to go through any one of these avenues, I was cut off by ignorant office staffers who simply had no grasp for the jobs which they held, much less a concern for any of my problems. They would lead me down rabbit holes, waste hours of my time sitting in waiting rooms, send me to offices which no longer existed, or had never existed, and many other ridiculous things. After so much of this, I finally worked out two avenues in which I could possibly resolve the situation, one being an excused withdrawal for the credits, and the other being an exception to the credit policy.
The excused withdrawal I didn’t feel that I had any grounds for, because I was hesitant to admit depression because of the social stigma around it, and I had not worked at my original bartending job for long enough to be put on the books as an employee, despite filling out a W-4(when I went back to get a W-2 for tax purposes, they had no records for me, and only a few remembered me having ever worked there). The exemption to the policy seemed more reasonable, and I thought that I might have a chance with it to work the grades into non-existence.
I had filled out my FAFSA for the next year(2009-10) and was waiting on the decision to come back from the board that decided upon the policy. I would receive a letter, unsigned by anyone other than “Exemption whatever board”(have the document somewhere), denying my request for review of credits. I was further told that I would be denied my financial aid by the school, despite having my fafsa accepted by the government. Very angry, I went back to my advisor’s office where the form originated. He directed me to Financial Aid, where a particularly ignorant worker made me sit angrily for two hours before being told that the decision was final and I could do nothing about it.
 


madpoetx

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Sue a College part 2

I went to the dean of students, explained my whole situation, nearly in tears (which is very extreme for me), at which point I was told that she would get me past the red tape and into a meeting with the director of financial aid by making a phone call. I went back over to financial aid, where I was escorted back to see the director. However, I was told by the secretary for the director that I could not see him. I realized that I had to show that I was angry in this situation, and pointed out that I was not leaving until I spoke with the director. It was at that point that a woman was called who came to me, claiming to be one of the members of the board that denied me my claim. I asked her what justification she had for the denial, and what grounds they found to deny me. She said that there were no grounds, and that I simply had not exhibited to them any evidence that the claim shouldn’t be denied.
At this point a man entered the room, claiming to be another member of the same board. He fed me the same line. I stated that I wanted to see the director at that point, and was told that the director was not in. I stated that I would wait for the director to be there, and that if I had to, I would take legal action against the school. When I said the words legal action, both individuals backed off, and finally said that the director was not in and would not be in for the rest of the day. I emailed the director that day, outlining my situation, and pointed out that I didn’t want to take legal action, but if I had to, I would do so. I was then told that I would be granted financial aid to take a part time schedule of 3 classes, and remain on academic probation, until my grades improved. At the time, I had had five classes scheduled, and so I was forced to remove two of them from my schedule by the end of my drop period. To decide this, I decided to attend each class once and see the format of the classes.
One class, a Junior level economics class(I’m an IBA major with specialization in economics) had a teacher who spoke with a heavy French accent, butchered English, and through his own admission, had been literally flown down that day from Toronto to teach the class, presumably for a lot less money than an American teacher was willing to accept. Because I could barely understand the man, I chose to drop this class. A financial accounting class that I wanted to take was only available at a remote campus that would have required an extreme amount of traveling on my part to attend was the second victim to my drop frenzy. I was left with three classes. Business Ethics, a course I had wanted to take anyway to ensure that I actually wanted to go into International Business, Organization and Management, a key major related class, and what I really think is the backbone of my major, a higher level International Monetary Economics Class, which I was looking forward to taking.
The first two classes were well set up and well taught. The teachers did their jobs well, and the curriculum was educational. However, the third class was the final straw in my book with regards to arousing my temper. The class was being taught by an elderly woman, apparently well-reknown in the Economics field. Reading the syllabus was scary at first, because there was nothing really in it past the thanksgiving holiday with regards to coursework or reading. She explained this by saying that the final two chapters needed extra coverage.
As the class progressed through the semester, problems began to soon become quite apparent. The instructor was routinely at least 10 or more minutes late for class, often coming in just before the moment that students would begin to get up and leave. Her lectures involved little of economics, with her often running off into tangents of little stories about her past and talking about how bad the job market would be for us as students with the present economy. When a student asked a question, it was never answered. No real review was assessed for the tests, of which there were only two, the mid-term and the final. When the midterm, which had questions which were both vague and impossible to really understand as being grammatically correct, was handed back, one student did not get his mid-term, and myself and at least one other student witnessed her tell him that the midterm would not be counted as part of the class grade.
And so, with all of my hopes of passing the class hinging upon one test, I began studying the book as if it were religion. Learning nothing at all from her, all of my learning in the subject came from reading the textbook, and I had set it in my mind that I was not going to get less than an A in the class. My plan was to get good grades in all of my classes, and then apply for the excused withdrawal of the credits from the first fall semester which had been so bad on the grounds that they were not reflective of my capabilities as a student.
The instructor for the class began to miss classes, often with no warning until I had already travelled all the way to the classroom to find out that class had been cancelled, and even then there were times that I would sit in the classroom for the required 15 minute session before being told that the class was cancelled. The end of the semester was rapidly approaching, and I was doing well in my classes to that point. The paper syllabus for the class had the final scheduled for the school’s final schedule date, the 15th of December, 2009. The teacher did not have an update for this on any of the official channels for which the school had set up to communicate with the students. I arrived at the classroom on December 2nd for a normally scheduled class to find that the teacher was again not there with no warning whatsoever, and another student finding the same situation out. The following week, I was unable to attend class due to a job interview, and had sent my teacher an email notifying her of this fact the morning before, and requested information on what would be covered on the final on the 15th.
On the 10th, the following day, I had not received a reply back from my email and was becoming impatient, wanting to know what information would be on the final so I could do my final study plans. Wondering if she had responded through the wrong email, I checked my school account for record of an email from her address, which was posted on the syllabus and was the only contact I knew for her. As I was scanning my email folder, I noticed an email that had the class’s title in the subject line. It was an email from my teacher, through another person’s email account, explaining that she had been sick with an ear infection and to study up for the final on December 9th!!!!
I immediately responded to this, asking for confirmation of the actual final time, pointing out the time outlined in the syllabus. At 8:30Am on the 11th, I received an email from the person explaining that she was not my professor, and pointed out my professor’s email, with no other information. At 10:30pm on the 11th,my professor emailed me from her own email account stating that the final was on the 9th, and that the class had voted on it several weeks prior. I had been given no notification of this vote, and there was no public notification for it on the site which the school had set aside for such purpose. Obviously I was very angry, and this is the point where I am now (although I plan to contact them to see what they are doing about the situation, everything in me is angry with them now).
I want to sue this school for false advertising, and all of the chaos that they have caused my life in the last year. I feel that I have wasted two years of my life with this school and probably lost ten years in longevity due to the stress of it all. What are my options?
[/B]What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 

Isis1

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honey, i'll be straight with you.

you need to cut that down ALOT!

that is WAY too much info to read on a Sunday night.
 

cyjeff

Senior Member
or any other night.

25 words or less...

Wait....

Are you saying can you sue the college because you used the wrong email to contact a professor? Or because that same professor moved a final?

Nope.
 
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quincy

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Ha. I actually read it. Shows you what kind of Sunday night I am having. . . . :)

If you are looking for legal options, madpoet, I do not see any for you. There is nothing in what you have written that demonstrates you have any grounds to sue the school.

It sounds like you were totally uninformed about the school and the area it was in prior to your move, totally unprepared for life in a big city, and totally unprepared for the classes you attended (when you actually made it to class).

Becoming informed about all school requirements, finding employment, finding a place to live, and attending your classes was YOUR job, not the school's job.

I believe you are not quite grown up enough to attend a large university (no matter how old you happen to be), especially if you insist on blaming all those around you for normal everyday life irritants and all of your own failings.


(by the way, Philadelphia is one of my favorite cities, been there often, never been shot)
 
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madpoetx

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quincy

I contracted with the school for an education because it was advertised as one of the top ten business schools in the country. When an instructor misses more classes than you do, posts a date for your final in an official form such as a syllabus, changes that date arbitrarily without informing you of the change through ANY channel, much less the ones that are set up for that person to do so, teaches NOTHING about the subject, but rambles on for a few hours a day about which economics guru she knows without saying what she knows about him, refuses to follow her syllabus at all even though it is barely even there.

And, I MYSELF, didn't use the wrong email...for some reason she used another professor's email to contact me, which went to my spam folder. Because both I, and my spam filter, didn't recognize the email on the sender, I wasn't looking for the message. The email that she posted on her syllabus, with which she has contacted me for every other correspondence both previous to that email and since, have been from the email on her syllabus. I'm merely lucky I didn't delete my junk folder yet, or I would have been clueless when showing up in class without a teacher yet again.

I feel that the school is guilty of negligence through moral hazard in the fact that they knew the dangers existed, and existed on their campuses, and have done little to either inform students of the danger involved, or prepare them for what they are moving into.

I've lived in big cities before, worked in rough neighborhoods before. I've worked security for 13 years now, and I am a former Marine. The point is that the school advertises itself as being something that it is not, which is an institute of higher learning. As far as being unprepared for classes, while you are hardly the judge of that and being intentionally condescending in your post, had the services I had contracted for with my enrollment in the university been available to me, I would have done quite well in the classes.

You would portray me to be a whiner and an imbecile sir, and yet you are not in the position to do so.
 
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madpoetx

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Sorry Isis...had to get it all in...it's been going on for about a year now...the school played the game of holding my financial aid hostage if I didn't go to school there this semester, and so I was forced to go there. And to Quincy...come to North Philadelphia and see what happens...be sure to dress like you have some money...see how many times you are propositioned for change, offered drugs, and have to hear gunshots outside your window, then try to concentrate in a Financial Accounting class...Account for that.

Here's a link to the video, which is shot in my neighborhood, and you even see one of the University's Security Booths in the video as they're driving by(a block away from the one in which the unarmed guard was shot)...if it doesn't work just google "Law and Disorder in Philadelphia" and Louis Theroux

Louis Theroux: Law and Disorder in Philadelphia
 

ecmst12

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Yeah I bet I know that school. The CAMPUS is perfectly safe. Just don't step OFF campus without a couple of large scary-looking friends. It's a very good school though.

Who cares if someone asks you for change or offers you drugs? Ignore them! Have you never been to a city before?
 

quincy

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Madpoet, I live in the Detroit area. ;)

North Philly and the area around Temple is no different than the areas you find in ALL big cities - Miami, New York, LA, Chicago.

The funny thing is, I have been to many many large cities in my life, often for extended periods of time, and the only time I ever witnessed a shooting was in nice, safe, beautifully clean Ann Arbor.
 

madpoetx

Junior Member
are you victims of advertisement?

Or have you actually been in the classes that Temple offers? I am reporting a very factual account of what I have seen both in my classes, on the Campus, and in the neighborhood surrounding. How much of your opinion in all of this has been drawn up by smokescreen advertising and a lack of statistical data on the area...

As far as large scary looking friends, I am the large scary looking friend that most people tend to huddle around when they leave campus.

The campus is "safe" because of the inordinate numbers of police in the area. Temple University Police are the second most armed police force in the state after all, second only to the Philadelphia PD. Another factor is the unspoken dividing line between the police and organized crime in the area, which targets college students at Temple as a source of income through drug sales, while at the same time,operating out of blown out empty shells of buildings that make war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan look like vacation getaways...

I'm not saying that Philadelphia is a bad city. There are nice parts to it. But there is far more crime on campus than is being reported, and, while not normally talked about to outside circles, I have been in many classes where individuals have spoken up in groups to talk about the level of violence that we are surrounded in.

Until you live here, you don't know what it is like, and I have lived in bad neighborhoods in many other cities. Camden, NJ is equally as bad, but you don't have a major university sitting in the middle of it and advertising itself as a nice place to be.
 
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