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thompsonl

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What is the name of your state? Texas

My husband and I need clarification of these orders. I am the stepmother. My husband would do this himself but he doesn't have the access I do and he leaves this kind of stuff up to me. I just relay the information back to him.

History: My husband recently won custody of his 8 year old daughter and him and his ex agreed on a final custody order. In the order it states the following for summer for parents who reside 100 miles or less apart which is the way it is in their case.

"If [mother] gives [father] written notice by April 1 of a year specifying an extended period or periods of summer possession of that year, [mother] shall have possession of the child for 30 days beginning no earlier than the day after the childs school is dismissed for the summer vacation and ending no later than seven days before school resumes at the end of the summer vacation in that year, to be exercised in no more than two separate periods of at least seven consecutive days each..."

Question: Does this mean that if the mother gives father notice before April 1st that she can only split the 30 days in 2 and both no less than 7 consecutive days? Also, when doing this would weekends (1st, 3rd, 5th) that are normally hers be counted as part of the 30 days that she has alotted since they are counted in July?

2. Secondly, if mother does not give notice by April 1st, the orders state "If [mother] does not give [father] written notice by April 1 of a year specifying an extended period or periods of summer possession for that year, [mother] shall have possession of the child for 30 consecutive days in that year beginning at 6pm on July 1 and ending at 6pm on July 31."

Background: Even though mother did not give written notice she is getting married the Saturday after school ends and is taking the child out of state for her wedding. She is now contacting the father wanting to discuss the 30 days in July. The father has told the mother that she is already taking 7 of her 30 days for her wedding and therefore only has 23 days in July to discuss. Additionally they have in the orders that the parents birthdays the child is in that parents possession from 8am on the birthday until the next morning at 8am. The father's birthday happens to fall on July 2nd. The order states the birthday possession takes precedence over all other possession schedules.

Question: Is the father correct in stating since the mother is taking the child for the mothers wedding on days that would be the father's and a weekend that is normally the mothers that that constitutes 7 days of the mothers 30 days in July? And also, should it not be 29 days instead of 30 since the father gets the child for 1 of the 30 days in July for his birthday July 2nd?

3. Thursday Possession: The order states "On Thursdays of each week during the regular school term, beginning at the time the school is regularly dismissed and ending at the time the child's school resumes on Friday."

Question: Thursday possession does not apply over the summer correct? I have already gotten clarification from our attorney but wanted it reiterated.

4. Summer Weekend Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year, [father] shall have possession if the child any one weekend beginning at 6pm on Friday and ending at 6pm on the following Sunday during any one period of the extended summer possession by [mother] in that year, ..."

Extended Summer Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year or gives [mother] 14 days written notice on or After April 16 of a year, [father] may designate one weekend beginning no earlier thatn the day after the child's school is dismissed :confused:for the summer vacation and ending no later than seven days before school resumes at the end of the summer vacation, during which an otherwise scheduled weekend or period of possession by [mother] shall not take place in that year, provided that the weekend so designated does not interfere with [mothers] period or periods of extended summer possess."

Question: Does this mean that the [father] has the opportunity to designate 2 weekends of the [mothers] weekends during the summer as long as he follows the guidelines provided? Also, if [mother] chooses to take the last 3 weeks of July (of her 30 days because she did not give notice by April 1st) does this mean the [father] can take one of those weekends of the 3 weeks in July as his weekend?

Thanks, I look forward to answers as soon as possible. This is the first year we are going through this, so once we get it clarified this year we won't have anymore questions and every year should go smoothly. :confused:What is the name of your state? Texas
 


casa

Senior Member
What is the name of your state? Texas

My husband and I need clarification of these orders. I am the stepmother. My husband would do this himself but he doesn't have the access I do and he leaves this kind of stuff up to me. I just relay the information back to him.

History: My husband recently won custody of his 8 year old daughter and him and his ex agreed on a final custody order. In the order it states the following for summer for parents who reside 100 miles or less apart which is the way it is in their case.

"If [mother] gives [father] written notice by April 1 of a year specifying an extended period or periods of summer possession of that year, [mother] shall have possession of the child for 30 days beginning no earlier than the day after the childs school is dismissed for the summer vacation and ending no later than seven days before school resumes at the end of the summer vacation in that year, to be exercised in no more than two separate periods of at least seven consecutive days each..."

Question: Does this mean that if the mother gives father notice before April 1st that she can only split the 30 days in 2 and both no less than 7 consecutive days? Also, when doing this would weekends (1st, 3rd, 5th) that are normally hers be counted as part of the 30 days that she has alotted since they are counted in July?

No. It means she gets a time period of 30 days in Summer. If she chooses to, she can split it into NO MORE than 2 separate time periods. ie; If she wants, she can use 2 weeks, then another 2 wks...as long as they fall before 7 days after last day of school and 7 days before school begins again.

No. Normal weekend visitation is a separate matter. Her 30 days is her 30 days, no matter who's weekends they fall on. Any weekends before or after that period go by normal 1st, 3rd & 5th weekends.


2. Secondly, if mother does not give notice by April 1st, the orders state "If [mother] does not give [father] written notice by April 1 of a year specifying an extended period or periods of summer possession for that year, [mother] shall have possession of the child for 30 consecutive days in that year beginning at 6pm on July 1 and ending at 6pm on July 31."

Correct.

Background: Even though mother did not give written notice she is getting married the Saturday after school ends and is taking the child out of state for her wedding. She is now contacting the father wanting to discuss the 30 days in July. The father has told the mother that she is already taking 7 of her 30 days for her wedding and therefore only has 23 days in July to discuss. Additionally they have in the orders that the parents birthdays the child is in that parents possession from 8am on the birthday until the next morning at 8am. The father's birthday happens to fall on July 2nd. The order states the birthday possession takes precedence over all other possession schedules.

That is confusing. What DAY is the wedding?

Question: Is the father correct in stating since the mother is taking the child for the mothers wedding on days that would be the father's and a weekend that is normally the mothers that that constitutes 7 days of the mothers 30 days in July? And also, should it not be 29 days instead of 30 since the father gets the child for 1 of the 30 days in July for his birthday July 2nd?

No. For Father's Day, it's just the DAY, correct? If I recall correctly, it's 6am to 6pm normally. So, if Dad wants to drive to visit the child @ Mom's for just the DAY, then return the child, that's fine. However, it does not count against or for the 30 day summer vacation period.


3. Thursday Possession: The order states "On Thursdays of each week during the regular school term, beginning at the time the school is regularly dismissed and ending at the time the child's school resumes on Friday."

Question: Thursday possession does not apply over the summer correct? I have already gotten clarification from our attorney but wanted it reiterated.

Yes & No. Yes, it applies to the summer period when the child is at Dad's home, it does not apply to the 30 day summer vacation period when child is already @ Mom's home.

4. Summer Weekend Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year, [father] shall have possession if the child any one weekend beginning at 6pm on Friday and ending at 6pm on the following Sunday during any one period of the extended summer possession by [mother] in that year, ..."

Extended Summer Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year or gives [mother] 14 days written notice on or After April 16 of a year, [father] may designate one weekend beginning no earlier thatn the day after the child's school is dismissed :confused:for the summer vacation and ending no later than seven days before school resumes at the end of the summer vacation, during which an otherwise scheduled weekend or period of possession by [mother] shall not take place in that year, provided that the weekend so designated does not interfere with [mothers] period or periods of extended summer possess."

Question: Does this mean that the [father] has the opportunity to designate 2 weekends of the [mothers] weekends during the summer as long as he follows the guidelines provided? Also, if [mother] chooses to take the last 3 weeks of July (of her 30 days because she did not give notice by April 1st) does this mean the [father] can take one of those weekends of the 3 weeks in July as his weekend?

No. It means IF he provides her w/2wks written notice - he can have her for ONE weekend that normally is Mom's. ie; 1st, 3rd or 5th which is normally Mom's.


Thanks, I look forward to answers as soon as possible. This is the first year we are going through this, so once we get it clarified this year we won't have anymore questions and every year should go smoothly. :confused:What is the name of your state? Texas

This is a standard TX plan. LOTS of answers to these questions on the forum, if you'd like to search around more.
 
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Just to clafiry.
If Dad has custody then dad gets to take away one weekend from mom as long it doesn't fall under her designated 30 days of possesion (albiet broken in 2) or mother's day.

For Father's day here is what the code says.

(5) if a conservator, the father[0] shall have possession
of the child beginning at 6 p.m. on the Friday preceding Father's[0]
Day[0] and ending on Father's[0] Day[0] at 6 p.m., provided that, if he is not
otherwise entitled under this standard order to present possession
of the child, he picks up the child from the residence of the
conservator entitled to possession and returns the child to that
same place; and


You mentioned the father's birthday, it would seem by what you have written that it is only the ONE day.

If dad has custody then mom looses her Thursdays after the school is dismissed for the summer until the child retuns to school in the fall.
 

thompsonl

Junior Member
To Stealth2: The final order was entered on February 15, 2008.

Background: Even though mother did not give written notice she is getting married the Saturday after school ends and is taking the child out of state for her wedding. She is now contacting the father wanting to discuss the 30 days in July. The father has told the mother that she is already taking 7 of her 30 days for her wedding and therefore only has 23 days in July to discuss. Additionally they have in the orders that the parents birthdays the child is in that parents possession from 8am on the birthday until the next morning at 8am. The father's birthday happens to fall on July 2nd. The order states the birthday possession takes precedence over all other possession schedules.

Casa wrote: That is confusing. What DAY is the wedding?

Answer: Her wedding is June 7th. School ends Wednesday, June 4, 2008. She is taking her for 7 days from June 5 through June 11, 2008.


Question: Is the father correct in stating since the mother is taking the child for the mothers wedding on days that would be the father's and a weekend that is normally the mothers that that constitutes 7 days of the mothers 30 days in July? And also, should it not be 29 days instead of 30 since the father gets the child for 1 of the 30 days in July for his birthday July 2nd?

Casa wrote: No. For Father's Day, it's just the DAY, correct? If I recall correctly, it's 6am to 6pm normally. So, if Dad wants to drive to visit the child @ Mom's for just the DAY, then return the child, that's fine. However, it does not count against or for the 30 day summer vacation period.

Answer: No I'm not talking Father's Day, I'm talking Father's Birthday - they put a special provision allowing possession of the child on her parents birthdays and stated that it takes presedence over all other possessions. His birthday falls on July 2 and the order states that he gets her on his birthday from 8am on his birthday (July 2) until 8am the following day after his birthday.

. Summer Weekend Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year, [father] shall have possession if the child any one weekend beginning at 6pm on Friday and ending at 6pm on the following Sunday during any one period of the extended summer possession by [mother] in that year, ..."

Extended Summer Possession by [father]: "If [father] gives [mother] written notice by April 15 of a year or gives [mother] 14 days written notice on or After April 16 of a year, [father] may designate one weekend beginning no earlier thatn the day after the child's school is dismissed for the summer vacation and ending no later than seven days before school resumes at the end of the summer vacation, during which an otherwise scheduled weekend or period of possession by [mother] shall not take place in that year, provided that the weekend so designated does not interfere with [mothers] period or periods of extended summer possess."

Question: Does this mean that the [father] has the opportunity to designate 2 weekends of the [mothers] weekends during the summer as long as he follows the guidelines provided? Also, if [mother] chooses to take the last 3 weeks of July (of her 30 days because she did not give notice by April 1st) does this mean the [father] can take one of those weekends of the 3 weeks in July as his weekend?

Casa wrote: No. It means IF he provides her w/2wks written notice - he can have her for ONE weekend that normally is Mom's. ie; 1st, 3rd or 5th which is normally Mom's.

Then why is it written both ways that I wrote above?

So from what you're saying, regardless if he gives notice by April 15 as the first statement says, as long as he gives 14 days prior notice he can designate a normal 1st, 3rd, 5th weekend over summer to have her that is regulary hers. Does this mean he cannot touch any weekend of her's during her July possession? That she could get her an entire month and he doesn't get to see her?

I've read little on the forum and didn't really anything that address my specific questions. Thanks for helping.
 

casa

Senior Member
Just to clafiry.
If Dad has custody then dad gets to take away one weekend from mom as long it doesn't fall under her designated 30 days of possesion (albiet broken in 2) or mother's day.

For Father's day here is what the code says.

(5) if a conservator, the father[0] shall have possession
of the child beginning at 6 p.m. on the Friday preceding Father's[0]
Day[0] and ending on Father's[0] Day[0] at 6 p.m., provided that, if he is not
otherwise entitled under this standard order to present possession
of the child, he picks up the child from the residence of the
conservator entitled to possession and returns the child to that
same place; and


You mentioned the father's birthday, it would seem by what you have written that it is only the ONE day.

If dad has custody then mom looses her Thursdays after the school is dismissed for the summer until the child retuns to school in the fall.
How's the lil' one Lopez? Getting big by now I bet! :)
 


Then why is it written both ways that I wrote above?

So from what you're saying, regardless if he gives notice by April 15 as the first statement says, as long as he gives 14 days prior notice he can designate a normal 1st, 3rd, 5th weekend over summer to have her that is regulary hers. Does this mean he cannot touch any weekend of her's during her July possession? That she could get her an entire month and he doesn't get to see her?

I've read little on the forum and didn't really anything that address my specific questions. Thanks for helping.


Let's say Mom breaks her visitation in two. Assuming she has 2 15 day periods, takes a two week break and then executes the other 15 days. The EXPLICITLY designated 15 days dad can not touch. If during her little 2 week break there is a weekend that happens to be dad's (2nd and 4th) then those are his weekends.

I REALIZE it is not broken in this manner but just plug in your numbers to the statement above.
 

thompsonl

Junior Member
Just to clafiry.
If Dad has custody then dad gets to take away one weekend from mom as long it doesn't fall under her designated 30 days of possesion (albiet broken in 2) or mother's day.

For Father's day here is what the code says.

(5) if a conservator, the father[0] shall have possession
of the child beginning at 6 p.m. on the Friday preceding Father's[0]
Day[0] and ending on Father's[0] Day[0] at 6 p.m., provided that, if he is not
otherwise entitled under this standard order to present possession
of the child, he picks up the child from the residence of the
conservator entitled to possession and returns the child to that
same place; and


You mentioned the father's birthday, it would seem by what you have written that it is only the ONE day.

If dad has custody then mom looses her Thursdays after the school is dismissed for the summer until the child retuns to school in the fall.
I don't have any questions with regards to Father's Day. I get that. And I also would not have a question of Father's Birthday if it didn't happen to fall in July. If she chooses the 30 days in July then I know it will actually only be 29 days because the father gets his daughter no matter what for 24 hours for his birthday on July 2nd. The scenario right now is that she didn't give notice by April 1st, but recently discussed having her for her wedding. The days she'll have her include the following (Thursday-Wednesday, all of the days which are the Father's except Friday at 6pm, Sat and Sun). She the Father told the mother that okay that is 7 of your 30 days from July (but technically she doesn't get 30 days in July because of the Father's birthday - technically she gets 29 days). She is wanting to discuss her 30 days in July- but he told her she already is taking a week (7 days) for her wedding so she only gets her 3 weeks (23 days) ijn July - or technically because of his birthday she only gets 29 days total - so that would mean 22 days.
 

casa

Senior Member
Casa wrote: "That is confusing. What DAY is the wedding?"

Answer: Her wedding is June 7th. School ends Wednesday, June 4, 2008. She is taking her for 7 days from June 5 through June 11, 2008.

So that's a normal 1st wknd visitation. It IS a few days over the 7 day 'buffer' re; end & beginning of school...but in the case of a wedding? Let it go.




Casa wrote: "No. For Father's Day, it's just the DAY, correct? If I recall correctly, it's 6am to 6pm normally. So, if Dad wants to drive to visit the child @ Mom's for just the DAY, then return the child, that's fine. However, it does not count against or for the 30 day summer vacation period"

Answer: No I'm not talking Father's Day, I'm talking Father's Birthday - they put a special provision allowing possession of the child on her parents birthdays and stated that it takes presedence over all other possessions. His birthday falls on July 2 and the order states that he gets her on his birthday from 8am on his birthday (July 2) until 8am the following day after his birthday.

His birthday? OK, then the provision for that is included in the order. When 'confirming' w/Mom (in writing) the break down/notice for the summer schedule, refer to this also.


Casa wrote: "No. It means IF he provides her w/2wks written notice - he can have her for ONE weekend that normally is Mom's. ie; 1st, 3rd or 5th which is normally Mom's."

It means that IF he chooses to have ONE weekend during the summer...he may do so on either the 1st, 3rd or 5th wknd on any summer month when the child is NOT exercising their 30 days (or one of the 2wk incriments) visitation.

I believe it's obvious I don't recommend picking the 1st wknd of June when Mom gets married.


So from what you're saying, regardless if he gives notice by April 15 as the first statement says, as long as he gives 14 days prior notice he can designate a normal 1st, 3rd, 5th weekend over summer to have her that is regulary hers. Does this mean he cannot touch any weekend of her's during her July possession? That she could get her an entire month and he doesn't get to see her?

I've read little on the forum and didn't really anything that address my specific questions. Thanks for helping.
His B-Day is July 2nd so that's one time he'll see her during July. Not only that, but Mom is already taking part of her time in JUNE...so that also leaves more time in July. Why is he assuming he will not see her for an entire month?
 
I don't have any questions with regards to Father's Day. I get that. And I also would not have a question of Father's Birthday if it didn't happen to fall in July. If she chooses the 30 days in July then I know it will actually only be 29 days because the father gets his daughter no matter what for 24 hours for his birthday on July 2nd. The scenario right now is that she didn't give notice by April 1st, but recently discussed having her for her wedding. The days she'll have her include the following (Thursday-Wednesday, all of the days which are the Father's except Friday at 6pm, Sat and Sun). She the Father told the mother that okay that is 7 of your 30 days from July (but technically she doesn't get 30 days in July because of the Father's birthday - technically she gets 29 days). She is wanting to discuss her 30 days in July- but he told her she already is taking a week (7 days) for her wedding so she only gets her 3 weeks (23 days) ijn July - or technically because of his birthday she only gets 29 days total - so that would mean 22 days.

Give mom 24 or 25 days after July 2nd and it buys him a lot more than he could bargain for and it eliminates future problems. This is the first step to saving him a lot of money on therapy.
 

casa

Senior Member
I don't have any questions with regards to Father's Day. I get that. And I also would not have a question of Father's Birthday if it didn't happen to fall in July. If she chooses the 30 days in July then I know it will actually only be 29 days because the father gets his daughter no matter what for 24 hours for his birthday on July 2nd. The scenario right now is that she didn't give notice by April 1st, but recently discussed having her for her wedding. The days she'll have her include the following (Thursday-Wednesday, all of the days which are the Father's except Friday at 6pm, Sat and Sun). She the Father told the mother that okay that is 7 of your 30 days from July (but technically she doesn't get 30 days in July because of the Father's birthday - technically she gets 29 days). She is wanting to discuss her 30 days in July- but he told her she already is taking a week (7 days) for her wedding so she only gets her 3 weeks (23 days) ijn July - or technically because of his birthday she only gets 29 days total - so that would mean 22 days.
She's ALREADY taking part of her summer period in JUNE. So it's impossible for her to be gone for 30 days in July.

His bday does not subtract one of her 30 days. It just briefly interrupts it. :cool:

Dad needs to WRITE down a proposed schedule including references to the Order. Then go from there.
 

thompsonl

Junior Member
His B-Day is July 2nd so that's one time he'll see her during July. Not only that, but Mom is already taking part of her time in JUNE...so that also leaves more time in July. Why is he assuming he will not see her for an entire month?
I'm trying to clarify 2 things. This year specifically with the fact that he's told her the week of her wedding is 7 days of her 23 days - does he get to designate a weekend from her 23 days - which I get now is no.

Then for future years if she chooses the 30 days in July - that means, besides on his birthday, he won't get to see his daughter for 29 days straight?
 

stealth2

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I don't have any questions with regards to Father's Day. I get that. And I also would not have a question of Father's Birthday if it didn't happen to fall in July. If she chooses the 30 days in July then I know it will actually only be 29 days because the father gets his daughter no matter what for 24 hours for his birthday on July 2nd. The scenario right now is that she didn't give notice by April 1st, but recently discussed having her for her wedding. The days she'll have her include the following (Thursday-Wednesday, all of the days which are the Father's except Friday at 6pm, Sat and Sun). She the Father told the mother that okay that is 7 of your 30 days from July (but technically she doesn't get 30 days in July because of the Father's birthday - technically she gets 29 days). She is wanting to discuss her 30 days in July- but he told her she already is taking a week (7 days) for her wedding so she only gets her 3 weeks (23 days) ijn July - or technically because of his birthday she only gets 29 days total - so that would mean 22 days.
It would be unbelievable petty of Dad to cut a day from her 30 because his bday happens to fall in the default 30 days.
 
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