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Tenant gives 15 days notice and intent to pay NO rent

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Seamaiden

Junior Member
Hello, I am in California.

My husband and I have decided to sell our second home that we rent out. This rental agreement was, very much to my chagrin, verbal ONLY, and has held as a month-to-month tenancy. This tenancy was realized withOUT any deposit, security or otherwise, and no pre-payment of first or last month's rents. The tenant did not change over the natural gas for several months, and never repaid a debt of $700+, which we have given up asking for. We just want our rent.

As verbally discussed with our tenant, we gave him first right of refusal upon our decision to sell. After a week he told us he cannot buy the home, but also cannot live in a home that's listed for sale. We told him we would wait to actually list the property, and at 30+ days it is still not listed.

We informed him that our realtor believes that the home should sell and close escrow by the end of November. He has lived there just over a year, and we felt that 90 days notice should be sufficient. However, he informed us again that he will NOT live in a house that's on the market. We said fine, we understood, and he gave us notice of a move-out date of November 1. At that point we believed that he and his wife intended to remain on the property until November 1st. I personally informed him he cannot prevent us from placing the house on the market, though I did understand his feelings regarding living in a property that is up for sale.

Fast forward to the September 1, when rent is due; My husband called the tenant twice, asking if he'd sent the rent. The tenant did not return calls. He called a third time on September 2, and a fourth on September 3 and asked if we were going to "get stiffed", then told him that if he did intend to not pay rent we were going to have to evict him.

Our tenant did not like what was originally a "disturbing" (and is now a "threatening") phone call, called me personally and finally informed me, after I had to ask him several times, that he did not intend to pay us a dime, and that he and his wife were going to be moving out instead by September 15th. I informed him that if he did not pay any rent but instead remained on the property that I intended to serve him with a 3 Day Notice to Pay Rent or Quit on September 5th, as he has no right to live there rent-free. His response was, "Go ahead, you won't get anywhere."

On Friday, September 5th, just before 5pm I went to the property and personally handed him the notice. I offered to tear it up and forget about it if he would just pay the rent. He again refused, saying that he felt he had a moral right to remain and not pay rent because he didn't like my husband's phone call. I tried to convince him that it would be better for everyone involved, and he still refused. The next day, because his wife, while in the house, never came out my husband and I mailed by registered letter the same notice.

Today, September 8, the Notice expires. I have begun preparing papers to file an Unlawful Detainer, however, our tenant has the habit of taking in roommates - all others after the first one have been completely unnamed. I believe that this complicates the matter for us, since we actually have no idea whether or not there is a third party residing in the home. I know the name of our primary tenant (the fellow we entered into the agreement with) and his wife, but at this point have NO idea how, exactly, to go about ensuring that our behinds are covered in regards to making sure that we violate no laws of tenancy or otherwise. I know that we probably should file a called Pre-judgment Claim of Right to Possession. We understand that this will delay the action, however, when considering over $1,000 of unpaid rent, we feel it's worth it.

Is there anything else that we are missing, and/or should know?
 


Hot Topic

Senior Member
By bending over backwards to oblige this individual, you have stamped "push over" on your foreheads. What you need to do is stop rationalizing/speculating and hire an attorney. And get out of the landlord business.
 

Seamaiden

Junior Member
Hot Topic said:
By bending over backwards to oblige this individual, you have stamped "push over" on your foreheads. What you need to do is stop rationalizing/speculating and hire an attorney. And get out of the landlord business.
Didn't realize I/we were rationalizing, do realize that in some areas we are speculating. Funny thing is, he insists that we're taking advantage of him.

And you're right - we ARE getting out of the landlord business.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
I agree with the thought of getting an attorney.

Evicting someone, in theroy, is not that hard. But, in order to make the process fast, the law is specific and detailed. I can't see how a person who is a "landlord" of only one property/tenant would be willing to go through the time and effort to learn the process. In the OP's case, there are a number of issues which are a little problematical. Not that they would prevent eviction, just that special things may have to be done to insure a quick and clean severance of the tenant.

Everyone who comes into our office as a landlord, we advise them to join the local apartment house association. They have forms, classes and resources to help out both the new and experienced owner. Most experienced landlords, at least the ones who are doing it as a business, drop a three-day notice to quit or pay rent the moment the terms of the rent are violated.

It's a hard thing when you think about we are talking about where someone lives. But, many people with smaller properties are relying on the income/build up in equity for retirement. Losing that is a hard thing too.
 

Seamaiden

Junior Member
Let's see if I can make a long story short.

This is a log cabin we'd built originally for ourselves to live in, up in Lake Tahoe. Before it was finished, my husband got a big promotion, but it required being in the office daily - now we have to move to the next county, about an hour and a half away shortest distance through the Sierra Nevada mountains.

What do we do with this cabin? I see it as money in the bank, as upon completion it's worth over $100K more than it cost us to build. A neighbor of ours was a property manager (our current tenant) and I asked him if he'd manage it as a vacation rental. I knew that whether vacation or month-to-month tenancy, both are fraught with problems. He said no way, but that HE wanted to move into the cabin! My husband (we were not married at that time) immediately agreed.

So, we ended up renting the cabin to our former neighbor, refinanced, and used that money to pay off the construction loan and put a down on the home we live in now (which was necessary to purchase due to his promotion, and because he intends to retire with this company).

In the meantime, I FINALLY got my husband out to Puerto Rico where I have a lot of family, including grandparents who are very old and soon in need of more constant care. Within two days he said he'd love to retire there, and we hatched a plan to sell the place in Tahoe - something he's wanted to do since the get-go - and use that money to buy a home in P.R. So, we've found a lovely home, and as the story above described, we now find ourselves in this current position.

It took quite some searching, as there aren't many attorneys in our county, and there's only one who actually lists landlord/tenant law as his specialty, I'm calling him FIRST THING Monday morning. I was very much hoping to appeal to our tenant's sense of right and wrong, and maybe even integrity, because I think that good negotiations are often better than immediately jumping the gun. None of us wants to be in the postion we're in, though I did get the tenant to admit that he'd already used this month's rent to deposit on a new place.

What I/we expect is this: Nothing can be done before the tenant's projected move-out date, however, he's stiffing us but good, and that is just not right. Depending on what the attorney says, we'll make a decision as to whether or not to try to get a judgement against him.

Fortunately, the home being what it is and where it is, even in this market we should have a sale shortly, and escrow closed before the end of the year.

It's nice to have a place like this to come to, EVEN IF you don't necessarily like what you're told! Thanks very much, folks.
 

Seamaiden

Junior Member
In closing..

I thought I'd update.

I contacted the ONLY attorney in my area who addresses landlord/tenant law, and her advice was that, at this point, we would better serve ourselves by simply waiting for our tenant to move out, inspect the property for damage, and sue in small claims for the unpaid rent and any damages, if any.

Thanks again!
Marina
 

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