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nordberg25

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?Minnesota

There is no custody order, we were never married, I signed the ROP at birth. I am currently paying child support.

My sons mom took our son to Arizona, she gave me about 2 weeks notice she was going, so I tried to hurry and file a motion for custody. I even paid the county to serve her. She hid out (god knows where), stopped taking our son to school, and made it impossible for me to serve her the papers. She is now in Arizona, and purposely hid from me trying to serve her (i think she knew that was my plan)

She knows i didn't want her to go, the police told me it was a court matter, so i was in a catch-22 (need to go to court, but can't find her to serve her).

I have been told I can serve her in AZ, will the judge frown on her evading my attempts to serve her, the truancy from school (1 1/2 week), and the short 3 week notice that she was moving.

I have been with my son every Fri,Sat,Sun for the last 8 years, she even cut that off for the last 2 weeks along with no phone contact or address info.
 


Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
nordberg25 said:
What is the name of your state?Minnesota

There is no custody order, we were never married, I signed the ROP at birth. I am currently paying child support.

My sons mom took our son to Arizona, she gave me about 2 weeks notice she was going, so I tried to hurry and file a motion for custody. I even paid the county to serve her. She hid out (god knows where), stopped taking our son to school, and made it impossible for me to serve her the papers. She is now in Arizona, and purposely hid from me trying to serve her (i think she knew that was my plan)

She knows i didn't want her to go, the police told me it was a court matter, so i was in a catch-22 (need to go to court, but can't find her to serve her).

I have been told I can serve her in AZ, will the judge frown on her evading my attempts to serve her, the truancy from school (1 1/2 week), and the short 3 week notice that she was moving.

I have been with my son every Fri,Sat,Sun for the last 8 years, she even cut that off for the last 2 weeks along with no phone contact or address info.
You have posted this for months, always starting a new thread. How many times do you need to be answered?
 

casa

Senior Member
nordberg25 said:
What is the name of your state?Minnesota

There is no custody order, we were never married, I signed the ROP at birth. I am currently paying child support.

My sons mom took our son to Arizona, she gave me about 2 weeks notice she was going, so I tried to hurry and file a motion for custody. I even paid the county to serve her. She hid out (god knows where), stopped taking our son to school, and made it impossible for me to serve her the papers. She is now in Arizona, and purposely hid from me trying to serve her (i think she knew that was my plan)

She knows i didn't want her to go, the police told me it was a court matter, so i was in a catch-22 (need to go to court, but can't find her to serve her).

I have been told I can serve her in AZ, will the judge frown on her evading my attempts to serve her, the truancy from school (1 1/2 week), and the short 3 week notice that she was moving.

I have been with my son every Fri,Sat,Sun for the last 8 years, she even cut that off for the last 2 weeks along with no phone contact or address info.
Same answers as before :rolleyes:
 

msfurman

Member
The ROP? Is that like a Acknowledgement of Paternity? That doesnt give any custody or visitation rights. That just says your the father and you dont need genetic testing to prove it. It signed for people who are not married because if you were married, you are automatically recognized as the father.

Second. If there is not Order for Custody or Visitation, then you dont have those rights. Are you sure that you dont have a custody order in place? Because I in Va, in order to file for child support, one of yall would have had to file for custody. Wether it was joint, sole/full or whatever. She seems a little sneaky to me so if I were you, I would go to the clerks office and request a compplete copy of the childs file. I know you dont have a custody or visitation order from what you remember, however, in VA on our Child Support ORders, it states, just like on the custody and visitation orders, that each party must give written notice - 30 days prior before changeing address. So, in the very least, if you dont have custody or visitation but you DO have a child support order....and it states that on the order, you've got her. She broke an Order or the court. For all you know, she did file for custody & there was a custody hearing that you didnt show to (through no fault of your own) and she has full custody. Yeah, that sounds bad....BUT the good side is that if there is, the papers probably state in little fine print that the parties have to notify each other in written notice of any changes in address/phone number. So get a copy of the file. And with her sneaky self, yes signed the Acknowledgemnt form in the hospital but how do you know that the reason why she did nt preasure for a custody or visitation hearing was for a time like this? So she could just tell the courts or an attorney that you have not been around and she could not find you to notify you of ANY change or that she was moving. So protect your rights as soon as possbile and if you find that there is no cusotdy or visitation order, FILE requeting at least, JOint custody and visitation. iJoint will give you decision making rights as far as school(which was a concern). You have a say if your child misses 1 week or more.....do you see? Religious affiliation, doctor, relocation, etc. She would have to legally consult you before maiking a change. OR if you dont like something, legally you can say, HEY, I dont like that she, for example, bapized my child....we are muslim. Just for example. Or, HEY, I dont trust that pediatrician and she is taking my child there against my wishes that are validate. See right now, without anykind of custody order, you dont have that right. So file. Also check with an attorney to see if now that she has been with your ex for so long and there is not custody order, if you have your ex has Implied Sole Custody...if there is such a thing. I would not think that a court would give you sole custody or physical custody since she has been with your ex for all her life and you never formally requested visitation or custody. However, I think they will give you JOint custody so that you can be part of the decision making process.

NEXT. Truancey. My child has a chronic illness that kept her out of school an average of 30-40 days per year. My ex took me to court and lost. It did not fall under Truancey. Plus, those absences were excused by the school. I made sure I wrote notes and kept the school abreast. SO I would request a copy of your childs school and medical records. Your dad. You can wether you have custody or not.You dont need court papers to get that info. You can prove your the childs dad. Those records she legally cannot keep you from. Check the records and see if those absenses were excused by the principle or not. Shes sneaky, so if she tries to tell you later that your child was out sick, then you will have the medical records to back it up. If your child was out for that long sick, MOM should have taken the child to the doctor right? or the hospital, right? SO that it could be excused by the school. Right? So think about that.

Check your states laws on truancy. Inmy situation, that many absenses did not fall under that. However, if you find those absense were not excused and they fall under the guidlines of the truancy laws in your state....THEN you ahve her on someting. A law that she broke. And thats what your looking for. I found my truancy laws on line through my states board of education. So when you get a chance to do a little surfing.....do it.

So (1) Obtain a copy of your court file and review it. Check that Child support order form for little writing like mine has about relocation notification.
(2) Obtain a copy of the school file and medical file. (3) Go online and check truancy laws in your state.

Do all this before you contact an attorneyy so that all your ducks are in a row. Because if you find that she did break an order thats written on that support form, you can file it yourself with the clerk. Im just a mom that been around the court system around and around and upside down. So I know these are things that i had to do that really helped me. GOod luck.
 

nordberg25

Junior Member
You have posted this for months, always starting a new thread. How many times do you need to be answered?

In response to paradise, the situation has changed. I understand I have posted this before, but she has already left the state, and my question is whether or not the judge will look at her deviance. So, please explain to me where that part of the question has been asked in prior posts. Thank you
 

djohnson

Senior Member
If she has just left the state, then she hasn't established residence and you have already filed and would retain jurisdiction. Yes it will look badly on her, and she will have to keep coming back there to fight it or automatically lose.
 

nordberg25

Junior Member
however, in VA on our Child Support ORders, it states, just like on the custody and visitation orders, that each party must give written notice - 30 days prior before changeing address. So, in the very least, if you dont have custody or visitation but you DO have a child support order
msfurman you are 100% correct, there is 10 days in MN in the child support order, that states she must give the courts notice of a change of address.
 

msfurman

Member
Whoa....great! See, you just gotta look at that fine print. Your would have never noticed it, if you hadn't come to this site. So, now you've at least got a little something on her. There may be no order for visitation or custody but she legally was suppose to inform you first. What I would do now, is Show Cause her. In Va., its criminal. I dont know there. But she has to show cause as to why she didnt follow the court order. At the same time, when you file your show cause, file for joint custody and visitation. Good Luck. Oh, and see if maybe you can get reimbursed for your expenses used to locate her.
Glad to hear though, that you found that little clause. Hope it helps you out.
 

nordberg25

Junior Member
Update to this mess

Ok, after she left (mom) she mailed me a notarized letter stating where she was, a cell phone number and an email address. Immediately I hired a process server to to to that address, to serve the custody papers. It was main address to a large condo complex, so, I told her i mailed our son some toys and they were returned, and I need the unit number, she gave me that. The process server went back, a man answered, stated he partied with her but that she does not live there.

I did a little research on MN statutes, there is alternate service means i.e. publication via child support and marriage dissolution, does anyone know if this is an option with a new custody case? Court gave me a copy of the dissolution request and said "maybe you just cross out dissolution, under case type and put custody"???
 

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