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simmonk

Junior Member
Washington Mutual foreclosed on my property by selling it at an auction on June 4, 2009. I was not informed of the auction; I was in the process of short-selling the property and my real estate agen didn't even know it sold at an auction. Is there any legal advice about how I can pursue this? Thanks, Simmon Koch
 
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tranquility

Senior Member
While, as a moral issue, you should pay your debts; there is a crises in the MERS program. See an attorney. Foreclosures based on the current practice have just about ended.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
Explain what

made it unlawful and what action in the foreclosure process was not done in accordance with statute, please.

How many months of payments had you missed?

Had you provided the bank your CURRENT address, or were you served by publication? Many borrowers leave the address the bank has on record and fail to give them current contact information. Have you reviewed the filings so that you know how it was you did not receive notice?

FYI - Wanting a short sale will not stop a scheduled foreclosure, unless the mortgage holder agrees to reschedule. I know that, at least in my state, a foreclosure easily takes more than a year from default, so lenders figure the owner had enough time from default to sell it. Additionally, they may not agree to a short sale. For example, if the loan has PMI, a short sale (and you would not necessarily know if it does, in the case of pool insurance) may invalidate their claim unless the PMI insurer also agrees to your short sale. Or the lienholder feels they could recover a greater amount by rehabbing it and selling it cleaned up and updated, they may not agree to take a hit so some flipper can make money at their expense.. Bottom line is that a short sale is not automatic and the bank may not ever have approved a given short sale.
 
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tranquility

Senior Member
While they had not ended a year and a quarter ago, the problems have been going on for quite a while and if there were fraudulent signatures in the foreclosure, it would still be in the statute of limitations. Attorney fees are often included to the successful party in litigation so a hungry attorney may take the case after he reviews the facts.

MERS was instrumental in the slicing and dicing of mortgages making cheap money available to many. It was a wonderful thing in having people being able to afford a house. However, it's becoming clear they took may shortcuts. Some are saying when the full problem related to the shortcuts comes clear we may have a second housing crash. But, don't worry, the executives responsible for the policies will be fired and will have to rely on the golden parachutes and the money saved from their high salaries for the years of malfeasance.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
While they had not ended a year and a quarter ago, the problems have been going on for quite a while and if there were fraudulent signatures in the foreclosure, it would still be in the statute of limitations. Attorney fees are often included to the successful party in litigation so a hungry attorney may take the case after he reviews the facts.

MERS was instrumental in the slicing and dicing of mortgages making cheap money available to many. It was a wonderful thing in having people being able to afford a house. However, it's becoming clear they took may shortcuts. Some are saying when the full problem related to the shortcuts comes clear we may have a second housing crash. But, don't worry, the executives responsible for the policies will be fired and will have to rely on the golden parachutes and the money saved from their high salaries for the years of malfeasance.
We do not know if the foreclosure filing was inaccurate. The borrower has not yet told us how long his payments were in default. He also has not stated what aspect of his foreclosure he is alledging was unlawful. Failure to receive notice does not make it unlawful, if the lender dids notr have current contact info and had to publish rather than serve. Many borrowers simply move out and fail to notify their mortgage company where they went. I see that all the time. How can one serve them when one has no clue where they are?

Additionally, many states do NOT handle foreclosures by affidavite. In my state, as example, foreclosures are evidentiary and the attorney revieves a pay hitsory and they prepare an affidavit and sign off on it. And must be able to prove the defaults.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
Certainly, there are some foreclosures which did not flow through MERS. But, MERS was not the only problem. While there were some foreclosures which were handled correctly, estimating the problem is difficult but some estimates say a majority of foreclosures were illegally obtained in the last few years. Titles on those illegal foreclosures are clouded and people may be able to get their homes back *years* after they were taken.

This is a mess. Lawyers are hungry and AGs are beginning to salivate as a campaign issue.

More facts would be needed, including the state, but *any* foreclosure in the last few years is suspect.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
Certainly, there are some foreclosures which did not flow through MERS. But, MERS was not the only problem. While there were some foreclosures which were handled correctly, estimating the problem is difficult but some estimates say a majority of foreclosures were illegally obtained in the last few years. Titles on those illegal foreclosures are clouded and people may be able to get their homes back *years* after they were taken.

This is a mess. Lawyers are hungry and AGs are beginning to salivate as a campaign issue.

More facts would be needed, including the state, but *any* foreclosure in the last few years is suspect.
That is grossly misstated. Many foreclosures never even passed through a servicer and were directly foreclosed by the lienholder, who had complete records.

There are a lot of straight forward defaults in which the owner died, entered nursing homes, or just up and moved and stopped paying altogether and eventually, often after about a year or more of no payments (I've seen foreclosures that went more than two years after they stopped paying) the bank FINALLY got the house back. Got one back in which they had moved out, disconnected the sump pum two years earlier, and three feet of water in the basement had destroyed the furnace, water heater, interior basement partitions, and electrical service.

Or a borrower simply broke up with a coborrower and dug in their heels and refused to pay unless the lienholder agreed to reduce the payment to what only one of them could afford (because, heaven forbid, the co-owner actually make lifestyle changes like getting a roommate instead of expecting the bank to make it all alright - as if the bank is supposed to be mommy and daddy). They simply weren't going to pay, that'll show the ex!

Some borrowers appear to feel they have some entitlement that they should have the right continue to live in the whole house alone, even though it was they who chose a coborrower to whom they had no legal attachment and then broke up, and it's the banks job to make it affordable for them. not their job to take on a second job or houseshare to make up the difference. Or even the feeling that they should both no longer need to pay if they have moved in with a different Sweetie du jour.

Or some borrowers stopped paying and lived off the rents they continued to collect for a year or so while they played at having a Ch 13 plan that they never really intended to follow, but just filed to slow down the FC process.

And what about the deadbeat neices, nephews, or adult kids that move in after aunty or mom goes into a nursing home, or moves out of state to live with their daughter, and they simply squat there, allowing the house to rot around them, doing no maintenance and paying no taxes, simply trying to live there for free as long as possible, adding up sewer water and utilities on top of the loan and tax default. I see a boatlood of those foreclosures.

Oh yeah, there's the "we decided to retire and bought a different house down south, so, now, since we are on a fixed income by choice, we can't also afford the old house, so you can have it" borrowers.

Or the "I thought I wanted to be a landlord, but now that I own it and won't make a fast buck and am clueless how to find tenants and don't want to bother taking any of the free landlord training classes the county/city offers, and don't really want to be bothered with it, you can have it back" borrowers.
 
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nextwife

Senior Member
And the press sometimes generalizes and paints with a broad brush. BoA and Chase are nothing like local community brick and mortar banks who originate in markets they actually know.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
From a March 4, 2010 article at:
SunTrust Becomes Third Major Mortgage Provider in Recent to Require MERS® System | RealEstateRama

Since 1997, more than 63 million home mortgages have been assigned a MIN and have been registered on the MERS® System. Today, more than 60 percent of all newly originated mortgages have a MIN, including loans delivered to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Ginnie Mae, all major conduits and state housing authorities.
63 million loans and 60% of all newly originated mortgages seems we'd need a pretty broad brush to cover.

Your mileage may vary.
 
While they had not ended a year and a quarter ago, the problems have been going on for quite a while and if there were fraudulent signatures in the foreclosure, it would still be in the statute of limitations. Attorney fees are often included to the successful party in litigation so a hungry attorney may take the case after he reviews the facts.

MERS was instrumental in the slicing and dicing of mortgages making cheap money available to many. It was a wonderful thing in having people being able to afford a house. However, it's becoming clear they took may shortcuts. Some are saying when the full problem related to the shortcuts comes clear we may have a second housing crash. But, don't worry, the executives responsible for the policies will be fired and will have to rely on the golden parachutes and the money saved from their high salaries for the years of malfeasance.
MERS was a private recording system which allowed mortgages to quickly be sold between companies without the necessity of going to the recorder's office and recording an assignment. I hate the MERS system, but it had NOTHING to do with making "cheap money available to many." It has nothing to do with the financing of the mortgage.
 

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