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marianneB

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?Florida, but this applies to all over...

This has to do with a discussion that has been ongoing for a week on several e-lists. We are all crafters, and many of us are seriously in business. The issue raised is used of licensed items as part of something else (or not). Yes, most of us recognize that we are not legal if we incorporate a licensed item (as a sports emblem, or a Disney character) into a candle or cushion or whatever. However, there is a school among the list who insist that if you have bought and paid for an item, the license is paid, and you are free to do whatever you please with it, whether or not you make it for personal use or for sale. There is also a school who believe that if you just buy a licensed item, you are free to sell it if you don't do anything to it. This discussion involved eBay practices. In fact, one person posted:

***Sorry I don't have the link anymore but there was a lady getting told by
eBay that she couldn't sell trademarked names as Harley Davidson or Coca
Cola and Disney. She was buying fabric and making aprons and such. Ebay
along with these companies took her to court. SHE WON; turns out if you BUY the trademarked item and use that to make another item. You have the rights since you paid for the trademarked item originally.***

Okay, you have a lot of craft fair types hoping someone will clarify this for all of us. Most resources I've found address protecting your own stuff, rather than using the Big Guys' Stuff. Can anyone help??
 


HomeGuru

Senior Member
marianneB said:
What is the name of your state?Florida, but this applies to all over...

This has to do with a discussion that has been ongoing for a week on several e-lists. We are all crafters, and many of us are seriously in business. The issue raised is used of licensed items as part of something else (or not). Yes, most of us recognize that we are not legal if we incorporate a licensed item (as a sports emblem, or a Disney character) into a candle or cushion or whatever. However, there is a school among the list who insist that if you have bought and paid for an item, the license is paid, and you are free to do whatever you please with it, whether or not you make it for personal use or for sale. There is also a school who believe that if you just buy a licensed item, you are free to sell it if you don't do anything to it. This discussion involved eBay practices. In fact, one person posted:

***Sorry I don't have the link anymore but there was a lady getting told by
eBay that she couldn't sell trademarked names as Harley Davidson or Coca
Cola and Disney. She was buying fabric and making aprons and such. Ebay
along with these companies took her to court. SHE WON; turns out if you BUY the trademarked item and use that to make another item. You have the rights since you paid for the trademarked item originally.***

Okay, you have a lot of craft fair types hoping someone will clarify this for all of us. Most resources I've found address protecting your own stuff, rather than using the Big Guys' Stuff. Can anyone help??
**A: so what is your exact question here?????
 

marianneB

Junior Member
Use Of Licensed Items And Images

Okay, my questions are:

What puts us on the wrong side of the law in terms of licensing?

-Is buying a licensed item at retail and reselling it as is okay?

-Is buying a licensed item at retail and incorporating into something else and selling it okay?

-Is making something that resembles (often closely) something that most likely licensed and selling it okay?

-What about that alleged eBay story? True or wishful thinking?

-What can we legally do since few of us have the bucks to enter licensing agreements with Harley-Davidson, Disney, Universities, etc.

-Can someone bring us something they have bought and pay us to incorporate it into something we make?

Lots of site are selling stuff we think are in violation of licensing, but are we naively taking a high road that just takes us away from profits if it's actually okay??

thanks

Marianne :confused:
 

marianneB

Junior Member
Use Of Licensed Items And Images

So far in my research, the only thing I have unearthed is this:

http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y03/m08/i05/s02

Can anyone shed more light on this?

Marianne

2/11 UPDATE: found a later version of this case with eBay:

http://auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y04/m07/i12/s01

and it shows that they have settled with MLB contrary to their resolve not to in the prior article. I assume that no license holder wants to go to actual litigation, for fear of the precedent to may set if it goes against them. Someone referred to the Principle of First purchase, which implied that the licensing fee was paid through the first purchase. Whatever happens afterwards is fair game. Any thoughts?
 
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