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careneeded

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?
California.

Last spring my family broke down. My partner essentially suffered a mental breakdown and initially agreed to leave the home until he got better, but family and lawyers advised him he might lose the house his parents bought us, that was in his name.

Basically my domestic partner and daughter were fighting like crazy and he lost it. He was physically abusive, grabbing, shoving and spitting. She was resentful and difficult, my ex-husband, her father, always resentful and wanting custody stirred the pot.

However as family life worsened I heeded my daughter's pleas and sent her to her father (by verbal agreement) two months before summer vacation.

I never ignored their relationship difficulties and my partner attended parenting class, men's father's group, family counseling, was a soccer coach for her etc, etc... but there was a new baby, jealousy, competition you get the story. I was being pulled to pieces. She had been an only child for nearlly 4 years and loved it. She wanted to go live with her dad.

Her dad, unemployed alcoholic living in a travel trailer in family's yard. He was an alcoholic when I met him, troubled. Physically and verbally abusive when drunk. An unplanned pregnancy, marriage after birth w/ promise not to drink. Sober two years, relative calm. When our daughter was two he was drinking again. 6-24 beers a day. Physically, verbally, abusive, head games, isolating me, no stable homelife. I attended Alanon, sought therapy, pastoral guidance and left him when baby was 3. He always angry and abusive, threatening to take custody. I maintain stable homelife, daughter healthy, educationally successful, extraordinary really. Always I support her relationship with her father, but he and I fight like mad over phone, I'm struggling financially and need help, he accusing me of being terrible person, whore etc. etc...

Now... after daughter goes to dad early, I seek family help, not there and go into shelter for women. I refuse to charge partner with abuse and get protective orders and the like remembering my ex-husband's anger at leaving him and recognizing that I don't want to fight but help and make peaceful future for my kids and me. My ex-partner has corporate family advising him the best defence is offence and he retains an excellent lawyer, he files for custody in Vermont. I hide and refuse to fight, have no money, and stay in shelter unfound, suffering from acute hepatitus, caring for the very active toddler boy, wondering how the hell my partner/lover/friend could become my worse enemy, shock. Meanwhile custody proceeding are going on and I lose custody exparte within 3 months ex-parte of my toddler son. The only physical evidance being a affidavit of paternity and statements, no physical evidance. I approach partners family again, they turn their back on me (and him I later learn) and I began mediating with him over phone 8 weeks after going into shelter. I ask for fairness and balance, mediation with equal representation, he verbally agrees, contacts the VT court and custody exparte to him is suspended, but he refuses to put into writing my condition, that if mediation failed he would pay for my attorney's fees. He had threatened to take custody and I am afraid.

So meanwhile I leave shelter and visit my daughter without notice and find a big mess. Ex-husbands alcoholism is much worse, he's barely functional, my daughter is caretaking him, he is supported by occasional odd jobs with family but drinking is out of control. I sent her to a bad situation. Daughter showing physcial signs of neglect, very protective of sick father. Also, father is brainwashing her that she and I are why partner broke down, identifying me as the common causative agent and he and partner as "Vicitm's". He refuses my second request that she get pschological counseling and becomes very aggressive and abusive verbally with me. I take her with me into shelter against her will and notify her father's family and him within one hour with explaination and assurance that relationship between father and daughter continuity is essential, but drinking must be gotton under control.

Fast forward one and one-half months, I decide to start over, choose to relocate closer to older daughters father's family in CA. Idea being to keep closer tabs on daughter during visits with dad, instead of three months unsupervised, shorter more frequent visits nearby. I interview and am accepted for program that offers transitional housing, therapy for mothers and children and time to get back on my feet. Program is located between extended family of both children's fathers, in CA. I'm trying so hard. Meanwhile back in VT expartner still agressing legally, and now angry ex-husband and he set a trap. I "foolishly" bring daughter to father's mother for visit and birthday while awaiting entry into transisitional program... (4 days) we meet and discuss the problems of daughter with her dad in MT and his drinking. Grandmother and son are drinking buddies but I think at least at grandmas house she get can adequate nutrition and access to bathing facilities. That was 5 months ago, I haven't been allowed to see her since then. Grandmother called friend judge and judge advised her to hide daughter and get to local court immediately. She told this to the police when they came with me to enforce custody order, (I had physical custody). She was very drunk and beligerant, the cops not pleased. Later she threatened my life and warned me that I was "finished" regarding my ex-partner in VT. She told me my daughter was a loser, hated my guts and never wanted to see me again. (context: she had been trying to take custody for four years). Next day I went to DA and filed a report, DA had communicated with grandmother and told me they were told ex-husband and daughter on way to VT, state of jurisdiction. DA say's I should go to VT, (means facing ex-partnter) I agree start east and next day find out Grandmother has hired attorney for son and taken emergency custody in SD, CA, son down from montana, moves in with mom and becomes resident of CA that day. I appear telephonically at first hearing Judge states jurisdicition questions need to be adressed and legal support for me... None of this ever is, 3 hearings and 5 months later, representing myself, with no motions files, legal support, on a case based on lies and manipulation of events, I have very limited contact with daughter. Her father's family have cast me as a bipolar, crazy, whore, loon, unhappy, person since I left the marriage. My daughter is pleased to punish me for the unhappy events and my (perceived) disloyality to her.

I love her allot and have done a great job raising her up as evidanced, I did my best to protect my family and self in difficult situations, but I'm stranded. I feel the judge is prejudiced, the grandmother is rich, the house beautiful and though I never have been a money grubber, in her demented upperclass alcoholic mindset, the world "revolves around money and those that have it".

So my daughter is hearing terrible things about the one person in her life that tells the truth and has integrity. This leads to my greatest fear. I do not want my precious daughter corrupted by these disturbing reganite elites, drinking and alcoholic rants against homo's, dyke, fags, wetbacks, jews, etc...

I'm terribly concerned about my daughter. Yes, maybe, "upperclass" and CPS has visited and reported a fine home and stable, scheduled life. But each day at 5'clock is cocktail hour and hard core drinking, fun and mad rants begin. Entitled, aggressive, this family I was once a part of create their own reality and lack the humanity and compassion to raise a dog. They are notorious for being "disturbed". My daughter wants to save her dad, she loves him very much... what to do. Court again... in 3 days. I have no idea what to do. The vermont case is over... peace and patience and mediation successful!
 
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casa

Senior Member
careneeded said:
What is the name of your state?
California.

Last spring my family broke down. My partner essentially suffered a mental breakdown and initially agreed to leave the home until he got better, but family and lawyers advised him he might lose the house his parents bought us, that was in his name.

Basically my domestic partner and daughter were fighting like crazy and he lost it. He was physically abusive, grabbing, shoving and spitting. She was resentful and difficult, my ex-husband, her father, always resentful and wanting custody stirred the pot.

However as family life worsened I heeded my daughter's pleas and sent her to her father (by verbal agreement) two months before summer vacation.

I never ignored their relationship difficulties and my partner attended parenting class, men's father's group, family counseling, was a soccer coach for her etc, etc... but there was a new baby, jealousy, competition you get the story. I was being pulled to pieces. She had been an only child for nearlly 4 years and loved it. She wanted to go live with her dad.

Her dad, unemployed alcoholic living in a travel trailer in family's yard. He was an alcoholic when I met him, troubled. Physically and verbally abusive when drunk. An unplanned pregnancy, marriage after birth w/ promise not to drink. Sober two years, relative calm. When our daughter was two he was drinking again. 6-24 beers a day. Physically, verbally, abusive, head games, isolating me, no stable homelife. I attended Alanon, sought therapy, pastoral guidance and left him when baby was 3. He always angry and abusive, threatening to take custody. I maintain stable homelife, daughter healthy, educationally successful, extraordinary really. Always I support her relationship with her father, but he and I fight like mad over phone, I'm struggling financially and need help, he accusing me of being terrible person, whore etc. etc...

Now... after daughter goes to dad early, I seek family help, not there and go into shelter for women. I refuse to charge partner with abuse and get protective orders and the like remembering my ex-husband's anger at leaving him and recognizing that I don't want to fight but help and make peaceful future for my kids and me. My ex-partner has corporate family advising him the best defence is offence and he retains an excellent lawyer, he files for custody in Vermont. I hide and refuse to fight, have no money, and stay in shelter unfound, suffering from acute hepatitus, caring for the very active toddler boy, wondering how the hell my partner/lover/friend could become my worse enemy, shock. Meanwhile custody proceeding are going on and I lose custody exparte within 3 months ex-parte of my toddler son. The only physical evidance being a affidavit of paternity and statements, no physical evidance. I approach partners family again, they turn their back on me (and him I later learn) and I began mediating with him over phone 8 weeks after going into shelter. I ask for fairness and balance, mediation with equal representation, he verbally agrees, contacts the VT court and custody exparte to him is suspended, but he refuses to put into writing my condition, that if mediation failed he would pay for my attorney's fees. He had threatened to take custody and I am afraid.

So meanwhile I leave shelter and visit my daughter without notice and find a big mess. Ex-husbands alcoholism is much worse, he's barely functional, my daughter is caretaking him, he is supported by occasional odd jobs with family but drinking is out of control. I sent her to a bad situation. Daughter showing physcial signs of neglect, very protective of sick father. Also, father is brainwashing her that she and I are why partner broke down, identifying me as the common causative agent and he and partner as "Vicitm's". He refuses my second request that she get pschological counseling and becomes very aggressive and abusive verbally with me. I take her with me into shelter against her will and notify her father's family and him within one hour with explaination and assurance that relationship between father and daughter continuity is essential, but drinking must be gotton under control.

Fast forward one and one-half months, I decide to start over, choose to relocate closer to older daughters father's family in CA. Idea being to keep closer tabs on daughter during visits with dad, instead of three months unsupervised, shorter more frequent visits nearby. I interview and am accepted for program that offers transitional housing, therapy for mothers and children and time to get back on my feet. Program is located between extended family of both children's fathers, in CA. I'm trying so hard. Meanwhile back in VT expartner still agressing legally, and now angry ex-husband and he set a trap. I "foolishly" bring daughter to father's mother for visit and birthday while awaiting entry into transisitional program... (4 days) we meet and discuss the problems of daughter with her dad in MT and his drinking. Grandmother and son are drinking buddies but I think at least at grandmas house she get can adequate nutrition and access to bathing facilities. That was 5 months ago, I haven't been allowed to see her since then. Grandmother called friend judge and judge advised her to hide daughter and get to local court immediately. She told this to the police when they came with me to enforce custody order, (I had physical custody). She was very drunk and beligerant, the cops not pleased. Later she threatened my life and warned me that I was "finished" regarding my ex-partner in VT. She told me my daughter was a loser, hated my guts and never wanted to see me again. (context: she had been trying to take custody for four years). Next day I went to DA and filed a report, DA had communicated with grandmother and told me they were told ex-husband and daughter on way to VT, state of jurisdiction. DA say's I should go to VT, (means facing ex-partnter) I agree start east and next day find out Grandmother has hired attorney for son and taken emergency custody in SD, CA, son down from montana, moves in with mom and becomes resident of CA that day. I appear telephonically at first hearing Judge states jurisdicition questions need to be adressed and legal support for me... None of this ever is, 3 hearings and 5 months later, representing myself, with no motions files, legal support, on a case based on lies and manipulation of events, I have very limited contact with daughter. Her father's family have cast me as a bipolar, crazy, whore, loon, unhappy, person since I left the marriage. My daughter is pleased to punish me for the unhappy events and my (perceived) disloyality to her.

I love her allot and have done a great job raising her up as evidanced, I did my best to protect my family and self in difficult situations, but I'm stranded. I feel the judge is prejudiced, the grandmother is rich, the house beautiful and though I never have been a money grubber, in her demented upperclass alcoholic mindset, the world "revolves around money and those that have it".

So my daughter is hearing terrible things about the one person in her life that tells the truth and has integrity. This leads to my greatest fear. I do not want my precious daughter corrupted by these disturbing reganite elites, drinking and alcoholic rants against homo's, dyke, fags, wetbacks, jews, etc...

I'm terribly concerned about my daughter. Yes, maybe, "upperclass" and CPS has visited and reported a fine home and stable, scheduled life. But each day at 5'clock is cocktail hour and hard core drinking, fun and mad rants begin. Entitled, aggressive, this family I was once a part of create their own reality and lack the humanity and compassion to raise a dog. They are notorious for being "disturbed". My daughter wants to save her dad, she loves him very much... what to do. Court again... in 3 days. I have no idea what to do. The vermont case is over... peace and patience and mediation successful!

Through all that winding story the thing that struck me the most (& will likely be considered in court) is that You knew daughter's father was abusive, alcoholic and sent her to him anyway. When you allowed her to go live with him you were saying, essentially, he was fit to care for her.

I'm not saying you are not being truthful~ But as a mother I would not send my daughter to live with an abusive alcoholic. The courts will wonder why you did.
 

ENASNI

Senior Member
hard to follow

Court again in 3 days...

Thats all I can follow... Court for custody? Visitation?
As A sr member JETX would say, make this brief and concise.

Or better yet do that in Court!
Do you have a lawyer?

I do feel for your pain, for your daughter.
But you are not going to get anybody touchy feely in court, so be prepared not to get any hugs here either.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
This is very difficult to follow and much doesn't make logical sense. Bipolar sounds very likely, I have no energy to read this and neither will the judge. You need compentent counsel and focus. If you have a mental disability, ask the court for ADA accommodations. They will go by how people present themselves not how you report them.
 
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AHA

Senior Member
Way too long a post. Didn't make it past the first paragraph and if that happens, I'm kknow I'm not the only one. Shorten it and you'll have a bigger chance of responses.
 

Joke

Junior Member
Whoa...

I tried to follow this, but I couldn't read anymore. Abuse and alcohol mixed with children who did not ask to be brought into this world.

WHY would YOU put up with physical and mental abuse by ANYONE, much less expose your children to it? Your "partner" needs professional help. You need to let your partner get it for them selves, BY themselves.

I honestly do not mean to be harsh here, but I have no sympathy for weak people. You do not need ANYONE that bad.

We make choices every day that affect our lives. Now you are making choices that affect your CHILDREN'S lives.

I do not take lack of education or poor circumstances as an excuse for any of the choices that you have made. I have seen girls with NO education, NO parental support, and NO friends pick them selves up and MAKE a wonderful home as single parents. You do not need a POS man like these for anything.

I really do pray that you make some good choices, work hard, and get away from men like this in the future. I pray for your children mostly, that they will escape the world of alcohol and abuse soon.

Please do get help somewhere...soon.
 

careneeded

Junior Member
truthful... but complex, told you so.

you guys aren't for real... attacking mothers online who need help, critizing. that is why the courts are filled with such dispair. people need compassion and you won't grow it living in a bubble of self rightousness.

regarding the abusive alcoholic ex husband, he couldn't try his shoes, much less take custody, his mother another drunk...with loads of money hired a lawyer who played dirty and they knew I was vulnerable and they went for it, second attempt, year 2000 also.

i always tried to seperate my ex-hub abuse of me from his loving relationship with his daughter. i thought i was being responsible.

His trailer is parked on families properties usually. I communicated with the families often also to make sure eveything was kosher, they didn't clue me in to his worsened alcoholism, until I was there in person this summer. my daughter loves her dad and wants to visit him, unfortunately she wants to save him, combined with her anger and resentment of sharing me, she is 11 years old and impressionable

i immediately removed my daughter, thinking life with me no matter how poor is better than what i witnessed called her father and his family and to gain custody he lied saying i took her suddenly and he didn't hear from her in 8 weeks the court case was fictitious but seems satisfactory to this judge.

can i ask for change in judge related to his failure to follow the law, and understanding of domestic violence, this guy is clueless.

the grandmother is influential, i need to be out of the county.... could i ask the case be moved to another county outside of this woman's shere of influence? there is a police report where she claims to have "best friend" relationship with a judge and been advised to hide my daughter from me.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
When one person calls you a jacka$$, ignore them.
When the second person calls you a jacka$$, laugh at them.
When the third person calls you a Jacka$$, better buy a saddle.

You don't make the laws or enforce them.
You don't always get your way.
Everyone is not out to get you.

Please seek mental health treatment and get yourself a competent attorney to represent you.

As long as you struggle with your mental health issues you will never present yourself competent in court.
 

careneeded

Junior Member
Mental health...?

excuse me, I am not the person who addicted to alcohol or having the mental health problem, that would be the two fathers of my two children...


I am not the alcoholic, disabled drunk living in his brother or mother's alleyway. Whose own family don't trust them around purse, with a history of mult arrests, dwi, rolling vehicles more than twice, on and on... Whose wealthy mental case mother's proudest proclaimation to me was "I never worked for money a day in my life"...

I am not the man who snapped on his blended family, strained under the pressures of supporting a family, self employment, property and a contentious unhelpful ex-husband stirring the pot...

I can only imagine this response is from a woman hater who likes to spout all women crazy... or as my ex-husband stated, hormonal. Women who have minds and use them, women who leave when men become abusive are not mental they are smart.

Thank you for cluing me into the degenerate mindset of thugs preying off those in need on this so called help site. Your compassion and wisdom are
astounding!

Peace....
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I would love to try and help, but your initial post was too long and convoluted. All I got out of it was that your family life (both with the current "partner" and your ex) is a total mess for any number of reasons - not that I can figure out exactly what they all are.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
careneeded said:
excuse me, I am not the person who addicted to alcohol or having the mental health problem, that would be the two fathers of my two children...


I am not the alcoholic, disabled drunk living in his brother or mother's alleyway. Whose own family don't trust them around purse, with a history of mult arrests, dwi, rolling vehicles more than twice, on and on... Whose wealthy mental case mother's proudest proclaimation to me was "I never worked for money a day in my life"...

I am not the man who snapped on his blended family, strained under the pressures of supporting a family, self employment, property and a contentious unhelpful ex-husband stirring the pot...

I can only imagine this response is from a woman hater who likes to spout all women crazy... or as my ex-husband stated, hormonal. Women who have minds and use them, women who leave when men become abusive are not mental they are smart.

Thank you for cluing me into the degenerate mindset of thugs preying off those in need on this so called help site. Your compassion and wisdom are
astounding!

Peace....
And through this entire thread you have not given one iota of fact for which you have a legal basis for recovering custody. In fact, on your own admission, you said that you ran and hid during the initial hearings in Vt.

I would strongly suggest you contact an attorney in Calif. for a free initial consultation because your 'case' is sorely lacking in legal foundation.
 

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