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What is the name of your state? NC

How do I find out what district I am in? I've read on here that in some districts they have ruled in a no asset bk case, even if a creditor is not notified, the debt is considered discharged. I just have no idea what district I am in, and if it's the case here.
 
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Well I now know that I'm in the 4th circuit.. does the above rule apply to my circuit?

There were a few 'debts' that I had (utilities) before I filed. I didn't include them, b/c it wasn't to the point of having service turned off- and didn't want to have to pay another large deposit- when it was just past due balances. My case was discharged at the beginning of Decemeber. I actually moved in the middle of November, and had all services disconnected- b/c I didn't have a need for them. I'm just wondering if the above rule applies to me, so that I can notify them and have the debt dismissed by them.
 
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seniorjudge

Senior Member
SkankCheese said:
What is the name of your state? NC

How do I find out what district I am in? I've read on here that in some districts they have ruled in a no asset bk case, even if a creditor is not notified, the debt is considered discharged. I just have no idea what district I am in, and if it's the case here.
And why would a creditor who is not notified have a debt discharged?
 
Again I say:
I've read on here that in some districts they have ruled in a no asset bk case, even if a creditor is not notified, the debt is considered discharged.

I have seen numerous posts, on here, stating this is the case. And to just have the person's lawyer notify them.

Don't need the condesending tone, just an answer to my original question.
Is this the case in 4th Circuit?

Anyone else?
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
SkankCheese said:
Again I say:
I've read on here that in some districts they have ruled in a no asset bk case, even if a creditor is not notified, the debt is considered discharged.

I have seen numerous posts, on here, stating this is the case. And to just have the person's lawyer notify them.

Don't need the condesending tone, just an answer to my original question.
Is this the case in 4th Circuit?

Anyone else?
I didn't know the answer; if you don't know it either, that's okay.
 

bigun

Senior Member
Here's all I could find. Maybe time to shell out a few bucks and ask a local attorney.

http://www.doney.net/faq_creditors.htm

Listing Creditors

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Do I have to list all of my creditors?

Yes. You may not get a discharge for any debt which you do not list. In addition, you will sign a declaration under penalty of perjury that your schedules listing your creditors are "true and correct". Intentionally omitting a creditor could be a violation of this oath. [9-98]


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If my bank card or other account has been paid off, do I have to list it?

If you have an account with no balance (such as a Visa or MasterCard which has been paid off), you do not owe that company any money and it does not have to be listed. The creditor may still allow you to use the account after the bankruptcy. However some creditors (American Express, for example) may check bankruptcy filings and may cancel the card even if they are not listed. [9-98]


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Can I pay off a creditor to avoid listing it?

If you pay any creditor a total of more than $600 within 90 days before your case is filed, you must list those payments in your schedules as a preference. If the creditor was a relative or business associate, payments which total $600 or more within the year before your cases is filed are preferences and must be listed. The Chapter 7 trustee may make the creditor turn over those payments to him to be divided between all of the creditors. In Chapter 13, the amount of your payments may be effected by preferences. See §547 [9-98]


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Can I add a creditor after the case is filed?

Yes, if you add the creditor soon enough. In order to share in any assets which the Trustee distributes, creditors must file a Proof of Claim within 60 days after date your meeting with the Trustee is originally scheduled. You can add a creditor only if the creditor receives notice of the Bankruptcy in time to file a Proof of Claim. [9-98]


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After I received a discharge in Chapter 7, I discovered 3 creditors that I had know idea existed. These items did occur before I filed chapter 7. But, according to your website, if I did not add the creditor to my bankruptcy it's "tuff luck, you have to pay those debts." That doesn't seem fair. I never knew that the creditors existed.

It does seem rather harsh, doesn't it? That was the simple answer. It gets a bit more complicated and depends upon the kind of Chapter 7 case which you had, as well as which court your case might be in. Here is the complicated answer:

Many courts would hold that debts will be discharged in a no-asset Chapter 7 case even if they are not listed. There are two key phrases in that answer that require more explanation.

Many courts. The bankruptcy code is not at all clear on this subject. While the trend appears to be that the unlisted debts in no-asset cases are discharged without any further action, the code has been interpreted in differently in many courts. Some courts would allow you to reopen the case to add a debt. Others would say that the debt cannot be added and therefore is not discharged.
No-asset. In many Chapter 7 cases, there are no non-exempt assets which the Trustee may sell for the benefit of the creditors. These are called "no-asset" cases.
Courts say that unlisted debt is discharged in no-asset cases have carefully read Section 523(a)(3)(A). This section excepts debt from discharge if they were not listed in time for the creditor to file a timely proof of claim. The proof of claim is used by the Trustee to determine the proportion to divide the debtor's assets between the creditors. In a no-asset case, there will be nothing to divide and no reason to file a proof of claim. As a result, in no-asset cases the bankruptcy notice instructs creditors that they are not to file a proof of claim. Courts taking this position reason that since it will never be too late to file a proof of claim, a debt is not excepted from discharge because it has not been listed. Cases in which the courts reach this conclusion include: In re Madaj, 149 F.3d 467 (6th Cir. 1998); Judd v. Wolfe, 78 F.3d 110 (3rd Cir. 1996); Stone v. Caplan, 10 F.3d 285, 289, n. 13 (5th Cir.1994); and In re Beezley, 994 F.2d 1433 (9th Cir.1993). [8-99]
 

Ladynred

Senior Member
While there is case law in several circuits that specify the discharge of unlisted debts, most Bk courts will not re-open a bankruptcy simply to add a forgotten creditor. The reasoning behind this is exactly the same as what's in the cases that Bigun posted - in a Ch 7 no-asset case, there's no 'harm' done to the creditor if they aren't notified because there is nothing they could possibly get anyway. Check with a local attorney, but I'd just send any that are bugging you a copy of your discharge papers and tell 'em to get lost.
 

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