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what is misconduct?

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mgharp

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CA
I was fired in Aug due to an accident. I was denied unemployment because of misconduct. I sent the appeal in just last week and think I may have a chance. I need to know what is considered misconduct? If an accident happens because the driver was not tested by the company to be proficient, is that misconduct?
I told them I wasn`t proficient in that vehicle. One of the trainers had me scheduled to be made proficient for the next day. The other trainer pointed out where things like the gauges,horn etc were on the vehicle but we did not take it driving.She said there you go. Misconduct? Do I have a chance at winning? Or will I be denied again.
 


JETX

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CA
I was fired in Aug due to an accident. I was denied unemployment because of misconduct. I sent the appeal in just last week and think I may have a chance. I need to know what is considered misconduct? If an accident happens because the driver was not tested by the company to be proficient, is that misconduct?
Your MISCONDUCT in operating the vehicle (if any) is NOT excused by your lack of proficiency.

I told them I wasn`t proficient in that vehicle. One of the trainers had me scheduled to be made proficient for the next day. The other trainer pointed out where things like the gauges,horn etc were on the vehicle but we did not take it driving.She said there you go. Misconduct?
No.

Do I have a chance at winning?
There is always a CHANCE..... slim as it may be.

Or will I be denied again.
The FA 'Magic Eightball' says..... "Signs point to yes!"
 
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mgharp

Junior Member
What exactly is misconduct? Who and how is it determined? Thanks for your help I`m new at this so please excuse any stupidity on my part!
 

JETX

Senior Member
What exactly is misconduct? Who and how is it determined? Thanks for your help I`m new at this so please excuse any stupidity on my part!
misconduct
–noun
1. improper conduct; wrong behavior.
2. unlawful conduct by an official in regard to his or her office, or by a person in the administration of justice, such as a lawyer, witness, or juror; malfeasance.

misconduct, n.
1. Behavior not conforming to prevailing standards or laws; impropriety.
2. The act or an instance of adultery.
3. Dishonest or bad management, especially by persons entrusted or engaged to act on another's behalf.
4. Deliberate wrongdoing, especially by government or military officials.
 

commentator

Senior Member
Misconduct, for unemployment purposes, is willful and knowing misbehavior as defined in the company handbook (if they said it is misconduct to do this and this and this, and you signed off on it, and then you violate one of these policies, that is misconduct) This type of misconduct is usually traced by a series of warnings and steps of progressive discipline: verbal, written, suspension, termination; as you are warned that your job may be in jeopardy, and given a chance to change the behavior and you refuse to do so.

If this is not the case, you must have committed gross misconduct, which is defined as misconduct so blatant, so severe that you knew it was wrong and that any reasonable individual would know it was wrong, even without a company policy stating that specifically or without prior warnings. Punching out your supervisor is usually an example of gross misconduct.

In the appeals hearing, you will need to be very specific about what training you had received, what you told them about your proficiency before the accident, when you were scheduled to be tested, what you were told when you were directed to take this vehicle out, what you were told when you were terminated. You are making the case that you did not have adequate training on this vehicle, that it was the responsibility of the company to provide you with the training, that it was the policy of the company to have only people who had been tested for proficiency on this vehicle use it, and that to have refused this assignment, though you had not been adequately trained would probably have meant you might have lost your job due to insubordination. You need to stress that the training you received from your supervisor the day before was cursory, you did not receive the hands-on on the road training that was required by the employers own policy.

Now, that said, I hope you did not do a hit and run, or a driving while impaired, or have a major accident deemed due to your own negligence. (Change lanes and run into a school bus, say.)If so, this kind of misconduct could be major misconduct, whether you had been trained in this vehicle or not. You know better than to do this, even without training. If the accident was due to your not knowing how to operate the brake, your inexperience at steering, inability to judge how much room you needed to turn, etc, this could be a lack of training issue.

So the determination of whether this claim will be approved or denied will rest much on some things that have already happened and cannot be changed. No one can tell you whether you will be approved or denied. You will state your case, then the employer will have a chance to state their case that they had good misconduct reason to terminate you.

Remember that misconduct by definition has implications that (1) you knew what the rules were (2) you had the ability to follow the rule or procedure, you had the skill, ability, and training to do the job adequately within the rules (3) that you willfully and deliberately did not follow the rule, procedure, or process by your own choice.

Be sure to keep filing your weekly certifications until the hearing. If you were to win, you will be back paid for each week for which you have filed.

The classic case in a similar situation is illustrated by the sneezing employee. Driving a company vehicle, an employee is seized by a fit of sneezing, and rear ends another vehicle. Is this considered misconduct, grounds for termination? Generally not. Unless he was sniffing cocaine.
 
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mgharp

Junior Member
what is misconduct

Thank you so much for the explanation! I feel a little better-more hopeful. It was my first day with this company. I had not signed anything,had not gotten an employee handbook-nothing. They were very pressed for time-I drove a schoolbus and it was the day before school started. They waited until 4:eek:o the afternoon before I was to drive before they started working on getting a bus for me.It`s a little more confusing,but it would take too much of your time to read all of the circumstances surrounding that day. But the gist of it is pretty much what I had stated already. I appreciate your help! If I have any more questions, you`ll be hearing from me!! lol Thanks.
 

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