When does support officially start?

[mom22boyz]

What is the name of your state? OH

I know man who is in the process of divorcing and needs some advice. He moved out and filed for divorce this fall. There was never a Temp Orders hearing to set visitation or CS. He seems to think that he will only start owing CS once the amount is set at the final divorce proceedings (this summer), but I thought it went back to the date of filing (and think it should, kids dont stop eating while the divorce is being finalized do they?).

He says his atty said he wont have to pay back support, but his atty also just dumped him for not paying his bill (smart guy, I know).

Anyway, can anybody tell me if CS goes from date of filing for divorce or from date the amount is set. (which will be almost a year from the orig filing date)

Thanks in advance.What is the name of your state?

 

[Neal1421]

What is the name of your state? OH

I know man who is in the process of divorcing and needs some advice. He moved out and filed for divorce this fall. There was never a Temp Orders hearing to set visitation or CS. He seems to think that he will only start owing CS once the amount is set at the final divorce proceedings (this summer), but I thought it went back to the date of filing (and think it should, kids dont stop eating while the divorce is being finalized do they?).

He says his atty said he wont have to pay back support, but his atty also just dumped him for not paying his bill (smart guy, I know).

Anyway, can anybody tell me if CS goes from date of filing for divorce or from date the amount is set. (which will be almost a year from the orig filing date)

Thanks in advance.What is the name of your state?

Date of filing.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

What is the name of your state? OH

I know man who is in the process of divorcing and needs some advice. He moved out and filed for divorce this fall. There was never a Temp Orders hearing to set visitation or CS. He seems to think that he will only start owing CS once the amount is set at the final divorce proceedings (this summer), but I thought it went back to the date of filing (and think it should, kids dont stop eating while the divorce is being finalized do they?).

Men like this are why there is a saying "a fool and his money.....". Support starts, IN THIS CASE, to the moment the action for divorce was filed.

In other cases, especially those of unmarried couples, the support can 'begin' retroactively back to the date of birth,

He says his atty said he wont have to pay back support, but his atty also just dumped him for not paying his bill (smart guy, I know).

He is either lying or an idiot.

Anyway, can anybody tell me if CS goes from date of filing for divorce or from date the amount is set. (which will be almost a year from the orig filing date)

Thanks in advance.What is the name of your state?

See above.

 

[tigger22472]

Date of filing.

Not always....
This is generally dependant on the judge. If the soon to be ex ASKS for it to go back to the filing date, it may or may not.

 

[mom22boyz]

Thank you everybody. The STBX is asking for back support and I hope this guy gets nailed for every last penny. Only a true loser thinks it's cool to "get away with" not paying support.

 

[mom22boyz]

Oh! One more thing...

The loser is asking for CS to go straight to the Ex once he starts paying cause El Cheapo doesnt want to pay the 2% fee to the CSEA. I told him to beware cause those payments would be considered a gift. He wants to add this to his order and have a judge sign off on the private agreement. He cant get a judge to do that can he? And w/o a judge's approval he could be on the hook for anything he sent directly right?

 

[BelizeBreeze]

The loser is asking for CS to go straight to the Ex once he starts paying cause El Cheapo doesnt want to pay the 2% fee to the CSEA. I told him to beware cause those payments would be considered a gift. He wants to add this to his order and have a judge sign off on the private agreement. He cant get a judge to do that can he? And w/o a judge's approval he could be on the hook for anything he sent directly right?

Of course he can. Most adults pay support in this manner.

 

[mom22boyz]

Are you serious? It is possible to circumvent CSEA? I didnt know that. I just have this feeling that he wouldnt be that good about paying every month and then the child wouldnt have the benefit of the CSEA enforcing the order.


Oh well. Thanks.

 

[tigger22472]

It really depends. In Indiana ( I know it's not OH before someone jumps me) it's required that it go through CSE, they changed this a few years ago. Those that argue about it IMO aren't too smart because it protects everyone. Wage withholding protects the NCP from getting behind and proves they are paying. This means the CP cannot say they didn't get it... etc... And as long as the NCP works, the CP is guaranteed to get it.

 

[Ohiogal]

Child Support in Ohio -- CSEA

In Ohio judges will NOT allow support to be paid privately. It will be ordered to go through CSEA. Ask me how I know that?

§ 3121.02. Methods of ensuring collection of support and arrearages.






In any action in which a support order is issued or modified, one of the following shall apply, as appropriate, to ensure that withholding or deduction from the income or assets of the obligor is available from the commencement of the support order for the collection of the support and any arrearages that occur:





(A) The court, with respect to a court support order, or the child support enforcement agency, with respect to an administrative child support order, shall require the withholding or deduction of income or assets of the obligor under section 3121.03 of the Revised Code.





(B) The court, with respect to a court support order, shall issue another type of court order under division (C) or (D) of section 3121.03 of the Revised Code or section 3121.04, 3121.05, 3121.06, or 3121.12 of the Revised Code.





(C) The agency, with respect to an administrative child support order, shall issue an administrative order, or request that the court issue a court order, under division (C) or (D) of section 3121.03 of the Revised Code or section 3121.12 of the Revised Code.


CSEA collects it. The only statutory way of doing it is to go through CSEA.

 

[Ohiogal]

OH and for arrearages

§ 3121.03. Withholding or deduction of income or assets of obligor; cash bond order; order to seek employment or participate in work activity.


If a court or child support enforcement agency that issued or modified a support order, or the agency administering the support order, is required by the Revised Code to issue one or more withholding or deduction notices described in this section or other orders described in this section, the court or agency shall issue one or more of the following types of notices or orders, as appropriate, for payment of the support and also, if required by the Revised Code or the court, to pay any arrearages:


(A) (1) If the court or the child support enforcement agency determines that the obligor is receiving income from a payor, the court or agency shall require the payor to do all of the following:





(a) Withhold from the obligor's income a specified amount for support in satisfaction of the support order and begin the withholding no later than fourteen business days following the date the notice is mailed to the payor under section 3121.035 [3121.03.5], 3123.021 [3123.02.1], or 3123.06 of the Revised Code and division (A)(2) of this section or, if the payor is an employer, no later than the first pay period that occurs after fourteen business days following the date the notice is mailed;





(b) Send the amount withheld to the office of child support in the department of job and family services pursuant to section 3121.43 of the Revised Code immediately but not later than seven business days after the date the obligor is paid;





(c) Continue the withholding at intervals specified in the notice until further notice from the court or child support enforcement agency.





To the extent possible, the amount specified to be withheld shall satisfy the amount ordered for support in the support order plus any arrearages owed by the obligor under any prior support order that pertained to the same child or spouse, notwithstanding any applicable limitations of sections 2329.66, 2329.70, 2716.02, 2716.041 [2716.04.1], and 2716.05 of the Revised Code. However, in no case shall the sum of the amount to be withheld and any fee withheld by the payor as a charge for its services exceed the maximum amount permitted under section 303(b) of the "Consumer Credit Protection Act," 15 U.S.C. 1673(b).





(2) A court or agency that imposes an income withholding requirement shall, within the applicable time specified in section 3119.80, 3119.81, 3121.035 [3121.03.5], 3123.021 [3123.02.1], or 3123.06 of the Revised Code, send to the obligor's payor by regular mail a notice that contains all of the information applicable to withholding notices set forth in section 3121.037 [3121.03.7] of the Revised Code. The notice is final and is enforceable by the court.





(B) (1) If the court or child support enforcement agency determines that the obligor has funds that are not exempt under the laws of this state or the United States from execution, attachment, or other legal process and are on deposit in an account in a financial institution under the jurisdiction of the court that issued the court support order, or in the case of an administrative child support order, under the jurisdiction of the common pleas court of the county in which the agency that issued or is administering the order is located, the court or agency may require any financial institution in which the obligor's funds are on deposit to do all of the following:





(a) Deduct from the obligor's account a specified amount for support in satisfaction of the support order and begin the deduction no later than fourteen business days following the date the notice was mailed to the financial institution under section 3121.035 [3121.03.5] or 3123.06 of the Revised Code and division (B)(2) of this section;





(b) Send the amount deducted to the office of child support in the department of job and family services pursuant to section 3121.43 of the Revised Code immediately but not later than seven business days after the date the latest deduction was made;





(c) Provide the date on which the amount was deducted;





(d) Continue the deduction at intervals specified in the notice until further notice from the court or child support enforcement agency.





To the extent possible, the amount to be deducted shall satisfy the amount ordered for support in the support order plus any arrearages that may be owed by the obligor under any prior support order that pertained to the same child or spouse, notwithstanding the limitations of sections 2329.66, 2329.70, and 2716.13 of the Revised Code.

 

[Ohiogal]

Part II on Ohio CSEA Arrearages

(2) A court or agency that imposes a deduction requirement shall, within the applicable period of time specified in section 3119.80, 3119.81, 3121.035 [3121.03.5], or 3123.06 of the Revised Code, send to the financial institution by regular mail a notice that contains all of the information applicable to deduction notices set forth in section 3121.037 [3121.03.7] of the Revised Code. The notice is final and is enforceable by the court.





(C) With respect to any court support order it issues, a court may issue an order requiring the obligor to enter into a cash bond with the court. The court shall issue the order as part of the court support order or, if the court support order has previously been issued, as a separate order. The cash bond shall be in a sum fixed by the court at not less than five hundred nor more than ten thousand dollars, conditioned that the obligor will make payment as previously ordered and will pay any arrearages under any prior court support order that pertained to the same child or spouse.





The order, along with an additional order requiring the obligor to immediately notify the child support enforcement agency, in writing, if the obligor begins to receive income from a payor, shall be attached to and served on the obligor at the same time as service of the court support order or, if the court support order has previously been issued, as soon as possible after the issuance of the order under this section. The additional order requiring notice by the obligor shall state all of the following:





(1) That when the obligor begins to receive income from a payor the obligor may request that the court cancel its bond order and instead issue a notice requiring the withholding of an amount from income for support in accordance with this section;





(2) That when the obligor begins to receive income from a payor the court will proceed to collect on the bond if the court determines that payments due under the court support order have not been made and that the amount that has not been paid is at least equal to the support owed for one month under the court support order and will issue a notice requiring the withholding of an amount from income for support in accordance with this section. The notice required of the obligor shall include a description of the nature of any new employment, the name and business address of any new employer, and any other information reasonably required by the court.





The court shall not order an obligor to post a cash bond under this section unless the court determines that the obligor has the ability to do so.





A child support enforcement agency may not issue a cash bond order. If a child support enforcement agency is required to issue a withholding or deduction notice under this section with respect to a court support order but the agency determines that no withholding or deduction notice would be appropriate, the agency may request that the court issue a cash bond order under this section, and upon the request, the court may issue the order.





(D) (1) If the obligor under a court support order is unemployed, has no income, and does not have an account at any financial institution, or on request of a child support enforcement agency under division (D)(1) or (2) of this section, the court shall issue an order requiring the obligor, if able to engage in employment, to seek employment or participate in a work activity to which a recipient of assistance under Title IV-A of the "Social Security Act," 49 Stat. 620 (1935), 42 U.S.C.A. 301, as amended, may be assigned as specified in section 407(d) of the "Social Security Act," 42 U.S.C.A. 607(d), as amended. The court shall include in the order a requirement that the obligor notify the child support enforcement agency on obtaining employment, obtaining any income, or obtaining ownership of any asset with a value of five hundred dollars or more. The court may issue the order regardless of whether the obligee to whom the obligor owes support is a recipient of assistance under Title IV-A of the "Social Security Act." The court shall issue the order as part of a court support order or, if a court support order has previously been issued, as a separate order. If a child support enforcement agency is required to issue a withholding or deduction notice under this section with respect to a court support order but determines that no withholding or deduction notice would be appropriate, the agency may request that the court issue a court order under division (D)(1) of this section, and, on the request, the court may issue the order.





(2) If the obligor under an administrative child support order is unemployed, has no income, and does not have an account at any financial institution, the agency shall issue an administrative order requiring the obligor, if able to engage in employment, to seek employment or participate in a work activity to which a recipient of assistance under Title IV-A of the "Social Security Act," 49 Stat. 620 (1935), 42 U.S.C.A. 301, as amended, may be assigned as specified in section 407(d) of the "Social Security Act," 42 U.S.C.A. 607(d), as amended. The agency shall include in the order a requirement that the obligor notify the agency on obtaining employment or income, or ownership of any asset with a value of five hundred dollars or more. The agency may issue the order regardless of whether the obligee to whom the obligor owes support is a recipient of assistance under Title IV-A of the "Social Security Act." If an obligor fails to comply with an administrative order issued pursuant to division (D)(2) of this section, the agency shall submit a request to a court for the court to issue an order under division (D)(1) of this section.






HISTORY: 148 v S 180 (Eff 3-22-2001); 149 v H 657. Eff 12-13-2002; 150 v H 200, § 1, eff. 3-21-05.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

Actually young lady, it can be done in Ohio and in all other states. It's called a parenting plan and can be incorporated into the divorce decree as a contract.

 

[GrowUp!]

The loser is asking for CS to go straight to the Ex once he starts paying cause El Cheapo doesnt want to pay the 2% fee to the CSEA.

Umm...I'd hold off on the name-calling on that point. It has nothing to do with being an "el-cheapo." The "2% Adminstrative Fee" is very controversial because Ohio makes a TON of money off of this. Like MILLIONS of dollars, IIRC. Ohio feels obligors have an "additional duty" to balance the states' budget because Ohio is run by a bunch of morons. Of course, it's idiots in this state who elected those morons. LOL

 

[Ohiogal]

Actually young lady, it can be done in Ohio and in all other states. It's called a parenting plan and can be incorporated into the divorce decree as a contract.

Actually no it cannot because in Ohio judges overturn that portion of the parenting plan on a consistent basis due to the above laws I quoted. CSEA must manage child support. The judiciary does not allow any payments to be private but have to go through CSEA> Parenting plans CAN spell out a different amount than what the guidelines would allow provided the parties agree but they still have to go through CSEA to be administered. I have seen it time and again in Ohio.