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Did I give my sub-tenant a valid 30-Day to Terminate Tenancy?

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WilliamC

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California


In Los Angeles, I share my two-bedroom apartment with a man to whom I sub-let my spare bedroom, pursuant to an oral month-to-month rental agreement. Our apartment building is not subject to the local rent control ordinance.

The sub-tenant has resided in my apartment for only 4 months. On November 2, 2012, I left him a notice to vacate; but he still remains.

The notice contained basically the following text:

____


November 2, 2012


To (His name here),


Please vacate the premises by November 30, 2012.


William C...


_____

Does the above writing suffice as valid 30-Day Notice to Terminate Tenancy, upon which I can base an unlawful detainer action?

1. I did not use a third-party to serve him with that notice; I merely left the notice on kitchen table for him to pick up.
2. I did not sign it; I only typed my name at the end.
3. I did not specifically identify the premises which I required him to quit and surrender, i.e., the full address and apartment number of the premises.
4. The notice only provided him with 28 days to move, not thirty. But, now it's December 26 and more than 30 days has passed since I left him the notice.


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California Civil Code §1946

A hiring of real property, for a term not specified by the
parties, is deemed to be renewed as stated in Section 1945, at the
end of the term implied by law unless one of the parties gives
written notice to the other of his intention to terminate the same,
at least as long before the expiration thereof as the term of the
hiring itself, not exceeding 30 days; provided, however, that as to
tenancies from month to month either of the parties may terminate the
same by giving at least 30 days' written notice thereof at any time
and the rent shall be due and payable to and including the date of
termination.


____

California Civil Code §1946.1

(a) Notwithstanding Section 1946, a hiring of residential
real property for a term not specified by the parties, is deemed to
be renewed as stated in Section 1945, at the end of the term implied
by law unless one of the parties gives written notice to the other of
his or her intention to terminate the tenancy, as provided in this
section.
(b) [¶] ... [¶]
(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (b), an owner of a residential
dwelling giving notice pursuant to this section shall give notice at
least 30 days prior to the proposed date of termination if any tenant
or resident has resided in the dwelling for less than one year.

[¶] ... [¶]


____
 
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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
30-28=2. You were two days short of the required notice period. Your notice was defective (ie: not valid).

With that said, you actually only gave him 26 days (you only gave notice on the 4th, not the 2nd)


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California


In Los Angeles, I share my two-bedroom apartment with a man to whom I sub-let my spare bedroom, pursuant to an oral month-to-month rental agreement. Our apartment building is not subject to the local rent control ordinance.

The sub-tenant has resided in my apartment for only 4 months. On November 4, 2012, I left him a notice to vacate; but he still remains.

The notice contained basically the following text:

____


November 2, 2012


To (His name here),


Please vacate the premises by November 30, 2012.


William C...


_____

Does the above writing suffice as valid 30-Day Notice to Terminate Tenancy, upon which I can base an unlawful detainer action?

1. I did not use a third-party to serve him with that notice; I merely left the notice on kitchen table for him to pick up.
2. I did not sign it; I only typed my name at the end.
3. I did not specifically identify the premises which I required him to quit and surrender, i.e., the full address and apartment number of the premises.
4. The notice only provided him with 28 days to move, not thirty. But, now it's December 26 and more than 30 days has passed since I left him the notice.


____

California Civil Code §1946

A hiring of real property, for a term not specified by the
parties, is deemed to be renewed as stated in Section 1945, at the
end of the term implied by law unless one of the parties gives
written notice to the other of his intention to terminate the same,
at least as long before the expiration thereof as the term of the
hiring itself, not exceeding 30 days; provided, however, that as to
tenancies from month to month either of the parties may terminate the
same by giving at least 30 days' written notice thereof at any time
and the rent shall be due and payable to and including the date of
termination.


____

California Civil Code §1946.1

(a) Notwithstanding Section 1946, a hiring of residential
real property for a term not specified by the parties, is deemed to
be renewed as stated in Section 1945, at the end of the term implied
by law unless one of the parties gives written notice to the other of
his or her intention to terminate the tenancy, as provided in this
section.
(b) [¶] ... [¶]
(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (b), an owner of a residential
dwelling giving notice pursuant to this section shall give notice at
least 30 days prior to the proposed date of termination if any tenant
or resident has resided in the dwelling for less than one year.

[¶] ... [¶]


____
 

WilliamC

Junior Member
Did these omssions make Thirty-Day to Termninate Tenancy notice legally defective?

Hi,


I wrote that I left him the Notice on November 4; the correct date was December 2, 2012.

That said...


I was also concerned that certain of my omissions with the Notice might make it fatally defective for in an unlawful detainer action:


  1. Was it okay that I merely left the 30-Day Notice for him to find, as I did not use a third party to serve him with that notice?
  2. Was I supposed to have signed that Notice?
  3. Is it a legal requirement that a landlord specifically identify the premises which is the subject of the 30-Day Notice to Terminate Tenancy? That is, must the landlord include therein the full address, including the apartment number of the premises
  4. The Notice only provided him with 28 days to move, not 30. Does that invalidate the Notice--even though it is now December 26 and more than 30 days has passed since I left him the Notice?



Thank you,

WilliamC
 

WilliamC

Junior Member
The correct date that I left note was November 2, 2012.

(Sorry, I had problem trying to re-enter "Edit" mode.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Hi,


I wrote that I left him the Notice on November 4; the correct date was December 2, 2012.
So, you gave him notice on 12/2/2012 that he needed to be out by 11/30/2012?

In either case, your notice was defective as it did not give your tenant 30 days.
 

WilliamC

Junior Member
Once again, I gave him the Notice on November 2.

(I had problem entering correction, as the forum editor kept disallowing me.)
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Once again, I gave him the Notice on November 2.

(I had problem entering correction, as the forum editor kept disallowing me.)
Once again, you did NOT give proper notice. You gave notice on 11/2/2012 that the month-to-month tenant had to be out by 11/30/2012. 30-2=28. 28 days is not proper notice. You will need to give notice again.
 

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