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May be more of a parenting question about consequences

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wileybunch

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NV

DH received a call last Sunday from the father of his 14yo DD's BF (who is 15) that the boy's mother had found semi-nude pics the kids had traded ie. sexting. No private parts were exposed. "Lingerie shots" is probably the appropriate term. They apparently have a suggestive quality to them. StepDD has been a tom boy for so long, this is totally out of character, but she and this boy have been telling each other they love the other since soon after getting back from their youth thing in July and texting/emailing/phoning. The boy lives in the Salt Lake City area. We met him on a trip up in late July and stepDD's mom took her up to see him last weekend, I think it was. The kids met in July at a youth conference. We live in Las Vegas area. Boy's parents are divorced and Mom is remarried, but Mom called Dad and they worked together to deal with it and Dad was the one that made the phone calls to my stepDD's parents. He called my DH first and they decided between them that he would call stepDD's Mom because DH felt it would just turn into a war or whatever. His ex has never discussed difficulties with the kids, purposely excludes DH from that sort of thing. She also likes to be her kids' friend, be the popular parent. DH told the Dad to let the ex know he'd talked to my DH, too.

DH waited for Mom to call him back that day after she'd digested things, but she did not and she likely did not plan to so DH called her the next day.

In a nutshell, Mom took DD's cell phone away for a month. Mom supposedly also let DD know this is against the law. Mom asked Dad if he knew how to disable sending pics on the phone, but didn't mention if she was actually going to pursue that or how serious she was about it, if when she got the phone back if she was going to make absolutely certain she had ability to send pics, whether it was by not having a camera phone or another block on the phone or service.

DH asked if Mom had taken away internet access for a time and Mom said she'd think about it. Dad gave it some time and asked again and Mom said she hadn't decided yet. DH asked (in an email while trading vacation plan info) what she had decided for consequences and Mom's answer was:

As for her punishment, we discussed it twice. I told you what I am going to do, and also told you it’s your business how you handle it on your end. No need to kick a dead horse. Let’s move on.

Sure enough, DH can have his own set of consequences and had told Mom he would be restricting internet because anything they could do texting they can do on the computer. DH also feels the relationship with this boy should be "cooled". Mom has made no movement in that direction. When DH spoke to DD that other night, he let her know this isn't the boy she will marry, it's OK to move on, and she looked at him like he had 3 heads. In her mind, they are most definitely getting married. She is 14. This is her first boyfriend and she's been taught pretty solid values through her church involvement and would have looked down her nose at anyone that did what she did just a few months ago.

So anyway, would you "move on" as far as Mom is concerned? Or would you follow up and ask specifics -- ie. did you restrict internet, will you be restricting the photo texting capability when she gets the phone back, has DD14 been told to not have contact with "THE BOY" for some period of time, etc.

As I said in the post title, this is more of a parenting issue, not a legal one. Mom's an extremely ****y person and thinks she answers to no one so I really don't think she will answer him even if he asks specifically. Granted, she should, parents should work together on something like this (like the BF's parents did), but there isn't a hard and fast legal issue here to deal with, either, so asking your opinion from a parent and/or common sense viewpoint.

P.S. DH is not allowing contact with the BF for the foreseeable future or internet access except for homework (supervised). The cell phone is one her mom got her so if mom gives it back to DD and DH thinks it's too soon, he will just make her park it when she comes to our home. Of course then this makes DH the bad guy and will further help Mom's quest that this past summer be the last one DD has to come to Dad's (since they have 50/50 in the summer and she told DD again this year this will probably be her last year :mad:).
 
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Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Dad needs to have a conversation with daughter (Please remove the names from your post) that HER actions could end up with her being a registered sex offender. The law could consider it distribution and manufacture of child pornography and in many areas it has. Dad needs to hammer home to this child that even though she is only 14, at 14 there ARE adult consequences and if she ever does that again she is risking her life being destroyed FOREVER. She would not be able to work in my professions or areas if she gets prosecuted for her "pictures" and what not.
 

proud_parent

Senior Member
Dad needs to have a conversation with daughter (Please remove the names from your post) that HER actions could end up with her being a registered sex offender. The law could consider it distribution and manufacture of child pornography and in many areas it has. Dad needs to hammer home to this child that even though she is only 14, at 14 there ARE adult consequences and if she ever does that again she is risking her life being destroyed FOREVER. She would not be able to work in my professions or areas if she gets prosecuted for her "pictures" and what not.
I actually chuckled when I read the names. I presumed they were a tongue-in-cheek reference to Ms. Hudgens and Mr. Efron and their sexting exploits, not the actual names of the children in this case.

Otherwise, ITA with what OG wrote.

Also, kudos to Dad for attempting a co-parenting approach to discipline. However, if Mom is not inclined to agree with Dad's methods, continuing to press her for information may do him little good.

If I were Dad, I would consider calling the boy's parents back, and have a frank discussion with them regarding the extent to which the children's relationship should be cooled. Perhaps one or both of them are on the same page as your husband.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
Forbid two teenagers who think they are in love from seeing each other, and you will only force them to start lying to you. Better to encourage RESPONSIBLE and age-appropriate dating and honesty. Supervised contact is certainly preferred until you are satisfied that they will make wise choices if you let them be alone. Losing the phone and internet also good consequences, I just think you should be wary about being TOO restrictive and bringing on the rebellion. That's just MHO of course, from my (kinda sorta recent) experience with being a teenager and having teenage friends both smart and stupid ones.

I think a lot of teenagers don't realize that pictures can still be kiddie porn even if you take them of yourself. I was on a pregnancy forum a while back and there was a 16 year old who would post there; nice kid who went on to be a responsible mama despite her mistakes, but she wanted to post a picture showing off her belly where she happened to be topless. When I pointed out that she was underage and she could get the forum owners in serious trouble, she hadn't even considered that aspect.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
Thanks for pointing out that I slipped and put their names in there. I didn't realize I had so they are gone now.

DH does have a call into the boy's dad. He works out of town sometimes for stretches so it may be a while before he hears back.

As far as dating standards, she's actually been raised with guidelines called "for the strength of youth" (and LDS people out there will recognize it) and she's not supposed to be exclusively dating at this age. There's no "discipline" that comes from the church, but it's discouraged and the higher standards are taught and until she met this boy, she agreed with them and was teaching my younger ones (twins, 10) these rules, too.

I think DH will try to clarify just the 3 open questions he has for mom, but by the same token he could just talk to his DD directly when he has her next tomorrow.

What's frightening is how quickly she threw away her standards (it's not just this, there's other "lesser" things, too, things she would have mocked or clearly seen as "wrong choices" that others did just within months ago. But, she was highly embarrassed on Mon when her dad picked her up and has apologized to her dad for what she did.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
but she wanted to post a picture showing off her belly where she happened to be topless. When I pointed out that she was underage and she could get the forum owners in serious trouble, she hadn't even considered that aspect.
As in frontal nudity?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Forbid two teenagers who think they are in love from seeing each other, and you will only force them to start lying to you. Better to encourage RESPONSIBLE and age-appropriate dating and honesty. Supervised contact is certainly preferred until you are satisfied that they will make wise choices if you let them be alone. Losing the phone and internet also good consequences, I just think you should be wary about being TOO restrictive and bringing on the rebellion. That's just MHO of course, from my (kinda sorta recent) experience with being a teenager and having teenage friends both smart and stupid ones.

I think a lot of teenagers don't realize that pictures can still be kiddie porn even if you take them of yourself. I was on a pregnancy forum a while back and there was a 16 year old who would post there; nice kid who went on to be a responsible mama despite her mistakes, but she wanted to post a picture showing off her belly where she happened to be topless. When I pointed out that she was underage and she could get the forum owners in serious trouble, she hadn't even considered that aspect.
I really agree with the bolded. Its called the Romeo and Juliet syndrome. You make the person that much more desirable to the teenager.

They have a long distance relationship. Its going to burn out eventually on its own if its allowed to die a natural death.

I think that taking away DD's cell phone for a month was a pretty good punishment. Yes, similar things can be done on the net, but not if you do not have the means to do them. Take off the webcam and do not allow any access to a digital camera, and that problem is solved as well.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
As in frontal nudity. It was a perfectly innocent picture, not meant to be pornographic at all, but the law doesn't really differentiate.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
Take off the webcam and do not allow any access to a digital camera, and that problem is solved as well.
I see the "lying" thing differently. A 14yo that's properly supervised and involved in worthwhile activities doesn't have so much access to do things they would have to lie about in the first place unless the parents choose to abdicate their responsibility to have their logins to online services, etc. There are parental controls for those things and cell phones for a reason.

StepDD is restricted from the PC in our home as a consequence, as I mentioned, so there's none of that here. That's not an issue. The bulk of her time during the school year, however, it with her mom so see my OP.
 

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