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gryndor

Member
What is the name of your state? California

A month or so ago, I was given verbal permission to park in the parking lot in front of my apartment. The next day (within my permitted timeframe) my car was towed. I retrieved my car for $295 and I was furious. I located a new apartment and gave my 30-days-notice at the first apartment.

In my 30-days-notice letter, I explained politely that I was given permission to park in the lot and that I felt that I should be reimbursed for that expense. I also said that I would take it out of November's rent. I said that since we were giving notice on Oct 14th, and leaving by Nov 14th, that it would be ideal for them to find someone to take over Nov 1st if at all possible. I said that I could prorate days between our actual move-out date and November 14th at $46.66 per day (our rent divided by 30 days). I also confirmed a conversation with one of the managers that we would receive our security deposit back in full, and within a week of move-out. All of these various verbal agreements would have gone up in smoke if I didn't confirm in writing, so I thought it would be a good idea to get it all down so we were clear on all terms.

I never received a written response, but I did have several conversations with one manager. In one conversation, he confirmed receipt of the letter, and said that it would be "totally cool" and to make sure that we kept them informed. He also apologized profusely about towing my car, and said that he would take the responsibility.

A subsequent conversation on Nov 4th between this manager and my roomate was very short (as he was on his way somewhere) but he mentioned that we were responsible to find new tenants or else we were stuck under the provisions of the lease. We are month-to-month tenants, so his ideas about our rental relationship were incorrect, and I felt it necessary to correct his assumptions. I wrote a follow-up letter saying that I was very happy that he accepted the terms of my previous letter, that we would be moving out on the 10th, that the $46.66 per day prorated amount for 14 days, minus the towing fees of $295 was included in check form, and that I wanted to schedule a move-out walk-through for this time and date. I also informed him that we never signed a lease and that it was not our obligation to find new tenants, nor would we be "on the hook" for rent for the rest of a non-existant lease.

He called my cell phone yesterday and very nastily said that "none of this would fly," and good luck trying to get back my security deposit.

QUESTIONS:

By verbally accepting bits and pieces of my initial letter, does that imply acceptance of the entire thing, when he never raised any objections until he found out we were never under the provisions of a lease?

Did I mess up in any appreciable way to screw up my case if I should have to take this to Small Claims?

What things would you suggest I mention in my follow-up letter to the manager?


Thanks a million, I really appreciate your time and effort!
Gryndor
 


LindaP777

Senior Member
I also said that I would take it out of November's rent.
You had no right to withhold rent. This is not the way to resolve an issue.

I said that I could prorate days between our actual move-out date and November 14th at $46.66 per day (our rent divided by 30 days).
If you are under a lease, or even month to month, rent is paid by the month. Not prorated by the day.

I also confirmed a conversation with one of the managers that we would receive our security deposit back in full, and within a week of move-out.
I'm sure you were mistaken. Security deposit is to be used for any damages and unpaid rent and/or late fees. There is no way to know if there are any damages until you move out and the place is inspected.

It seems to me that you are trying to call the shots. You and your LL must abide by the Landlord/tenant laws.

Questions: Is your rent due on the 1st of the month? If so, you will be responsible for all of Novembers rent, not just the days until you move out. You admit you are "month to month" not day to day.

Did you have a lease previously and it expired? You were a little vague on this point. If you had a lease, read it carefully to see if there was an automatic renewal clause.
 

gryndor

Member
I'm sure you were mistaken. Security deposit is to be used for any damages and unpaid rent and/or late fees. There is no way to know if there are any damages until you move out and the place is inspected.
No, I was not mistaken. The managers are stupid kids and I don't think they have the first clue about what they are doing. The LL is a slumlord and I have no way of contacting him other than through these kids who haven't even provided their names or contact info. So long as I drop the check in the slot, no one posts mean letters on my doors. That's been the way thus far.

Questions: Is your rent due on the 1st of the month? If so, you will be responsible for all of Novembers rent, not just the days until you move out. You admit you are "month to month" not day to day.
Yes, it's due on the first, but I do believe you are mistaken, as I read today in a LL/T legal issues book something quite to the contrary.

Did you have a lease previously and it expired? You were a little vague on this point. If you had a lease, read it carefully to see if there was an automatic renewal clause.
We never had a lease. We were supposed to sign one, but the initial lady/manager-stand-in never showed up to sign the final rental agreement/lease. She collected our initial $3966 ($1400 deposit, $1400 last month and $1166 prorated amount since we moved in one week into January) but never showed up or contacted us again about the lease. We figured that it reverted to a month-to-month in the absence of another agreement.

I would really like someone to answer my questions or clarify further. I don't believe I am "calling the shots" because if I hold my breath waiting for them to act, I'll die of suffocation.

Gryn
 
Yes, it's due on the first, but I do believe you are mistaken, as I read today in a LL/T legal issues book something quite to the contrary.
You may have read it in a LL/T book but that has no bearing on the laws of your STATE. Have you researched the LL/T laws of Cali?

Some LL's will let you prorate...our last LL's did but they did not have to and MOST don't/won't. You are most likely responsible for ALL of November but you are correct in that you don't have to find new tenants.

Linda is right that you had no right to withhold ANY money...verbal agreement, written letter, or not! You should have paid ALL of your rent and let them return your security deposit and any additional money they agreed or were willing to pay you.

I'm guessing those "kids" had no right to give you permission to park in that lot. You won't get that money back. Why was your car towed?

But if you pay your ENTIRE rent for November and you gave proper notice and there are no damages you should get your security deposit back. Research your laws on how much time they have and if they need to give you a written list of any damages. If they don't do that in a timely matter many times you can sue. Sometimes for 3x the amount depending on your state.

I hope everything you have been doing in writing is CRR! You will need the proof. Make sure from now on.
 

KimberlyCali

Junior Member
For starters, you were correct in paying just the pro-rated amount for November. You are only obligated to pay through the thirtieth day after you give notice. Or if the landlord re-rents the apartment before the tirty days are up and starts collecting rent from the new tenant, then you only owe up through when the new tenant starts paying.

You can not withhold rent to pay for your tow charges. If you feel that they towed you and should not have, therefore causing you to incur this tow bill, then you would have to take them to Small Claims Court to recover the charges you feel they owe. Although you do not have much of a case.

Now for your security deposit...you paid equal to two months rent for the security deosit, if you never signed a lease, do you have any documentation that you actually paid this amount?

As for the verbal agreements between you and the landlord....Just because you put them in writing and sent them in a letter to the landlord does not mean that they are confirmed the mere lack of objections does not prove acceptance.

As for the follow up letter, I would send a letter certified mail letting the landlord know the exact date that you will be out of the apartment and a date and time for your move out inspection. You have the legal right to be present when the landlord does the inspection. Be there at the time and date that you put in the letter. Bring a video camera to document the condition of the apartment. Video is much better than still photos as you can also narrate it. Iff the land lord does not show up, leave your keys on the counter and immediately send a certified letter stating that you are out of the apartment ands you left the keys on the counter on the day of the move out inspection. Then start counting the days - 21 of them in Claifornia. if no refund or accounting of expenses, then you have a case for small claims court.

Here is a very vauable website. It spells out the laws and explains the rights of the tenants.

http://www.dca.ca.gov/legal/landlordbook/
 

gryndor

Member
Thank you so much for your reply. It (for lack of a better word) sucks about the towing and he verbal agreements, but I understand the logic. Thank you for clearing up the fuzziness so that I can go back and do things correctly. That way, if it does go to small claims, I don't walk in there being equally in the wrong as the LL/managers.

Yes, I have documentation of sorts. When we were moving in, the manager-at-the-time told us the amount we needed to get into the place, and when I went to the bnk to get a money order, they asked for a name. I didn't have the name of the LL so they just made out three cashier's checks in the amount of $1000 each, and one for $966.67. When I gave them to the manager-at-the-time, I wrote in the LL's name and wrote it on my receipts as well. My only documentation of all that is the cashier's checks receipts with the LL's handwritten name on each. Is that too, erm, vague to be evidence? It has the date, and it is a reasonable explanation... I hope. Now that I type it out though, I feel like I'm losing ground.

So this is what I'll do: Pay the prorated amount for 14 days of November without removing towing fees.

Send a demand letter for those towing fees, even though it is unlikely that they will do something other than "round-file" it.

Clean out the place, prepare for out exit walk-though, and bring my video camera with me.

Thanks for your help. If there is anything else that needs to be said, by all means do!
Gryndor
 

LindaP777

Senior Member
For starters, you were correct in paying just the pro-rated amount for November. You are only obligated to pay through the thirtieth day after you give notice.
Really KimberltCali? And how many years of being a Landlord do you have?
You are not correct. The OP is on a month to month, not a day to day. If they are there in November, they have to pay for November's rent. Not a daily amount until they are gone.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Really KimberltCali? And how many years of being a Landlord do you have?
You are not correct. The OP is on a month to month, not a day to day. If they are there in November, they have to pay for November's rent. Not a daily amount until they are gone.
Linda -

Did you read the link she posted? KimberlyCali is correct (for California)
 

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