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Meps

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What is the name of your state? Ky
How can I get my ex to sign the tax expempt paper work for my child. The divorce said that if I am current with childsupport I get to claim her on my taxes. H&R says I have to have her sign a document, but she does not want to. What do I do?
 


seniorjudge

Senior Member
Call the IRS and ask them.

Make them give you a citation to an IRS publication or rule.

Used to be, you could file a certified copy of the judgment in the lawsuit with your tax return.

I don't know for sure now.
 

JETX

Senior Member
How can I get my ex to sign the tax expempt paper work for my child. The divorce said that if I am current with childsupport I get to claim her on my taxes. H&R says I have to have her sign a document, but she does not want to. What do I do?
First, your post is confusing. What 'tax exemption' are you trying to claim???

Do you mean that you are trying to claim the child as a dependent?? If so, then tell H&R to stuff it. Simply show them a copy of the court order granting you the right to the deduction.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
This is not H & Rs call. You are looking for IRS Form 8332 which requires the non-claiming parent to sign off on the allowance. However, if the ex won't sign you should do as suggested by Jet and include the form with your signature and 'refused to sign' next to hers.

If this is a requirement from H & R block before they will complete the return, tell them to stuff it as suggested.
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
This is not H & Rs call. You are looking for IRS Form 8332 which requires the non-claiming parent to sign off on the allowance. However, if the ex won't sign you should do as suggested by Jet and include the form with your signature and 'refused to sign' next to hers.

If this is a requirement from H & R block before they will complete the return, tell them to stuff it as suggested.
And don't forget the certified copy of the judgment in the lawsuit!
 

justalayman

Senior Member
HUH??? Where did you get the idea that the judgment has to be certified??
It doesn't.

Apparently, you are having another 'senior' moment, eh??
I would think SJ was referring to the situation he earlier spoke of but even if the judgment is not required to be certified, wouldn't it still be wise to have it certified as proof to the validity of it and avoid the possible siutation of the lack of certification causing a "red flag" of any sort or a delay in processing of the tax filing?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
What is the name of your state? Ky
How can I get my ex to sign the tax expempt paper work for my child. The divorce said that if I am current with childsupport I get to claim her on my taxes. H&R says I have to have her sign a document, but she does not want to. What do I do?
You ignore the advice that you got from the rest of the posters and you file for contempt against mom for not cooperating with you getting the exemption...and ask the judge to order her to sign the form 8332.

Under the federal tax laws as currently written you have to either have a signed form 8332 from mom or something that is it's equilvalent. A conditional court order (a court order that says you must be current with child support) CANNOT be an equilvalent to a form 8332.

Your choices at this point are to either believe the previous posters who are NOT tax professionals....or believe me (and I AM a tax professional) or believe none of us and get a consult with a local tax professional....which it appears that you have already done....and have already received the correct answer.

You can also post your question on the tax forum on this site and again get the correct answer from other tax professionals...but you would be wasting your time....because you would get the same answer that you have already received from a local tax professional and from me.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
You ignore the advice that you got from the rest of the posters and you file for contempt against mom for not cooperating with you getting the exemption...and ask the judge to order her to sign the form 8332.

Under the federal tax laws as currently written you have to either have a signed form 8332 from mom or something that is it's equilvalent. A conditional court order (a court order that says you must be current with child support) CANNOT be an equilvalent to a form 8332.

Your choices at this point are to either believe the previous posters who are NOT tax professionals....or believe me (and I AM a tax professional) or believe none of us and get a consult with a local tax professional....which it appears that you have already done....and have already received the correct answer.

You can also post your question on the tax forum on this site and again get the correct answer from other tax professionals...but you would be wasting your time....because you would get the same answer that you have already received from a local tax professional and from me.
I also agree. Ignore those who are NOT attorneys.:rolleyes:
 

tranquility

Senior Member
This question has come up before and LdiJ is correct. Sometimes one can have success with twirling a chicken over one's head in the dead of night while singing In-a-gada-da-vida. However, if one wants to be sure of success, get the form signed or present an unconditional court order. Why this continues to be a dispute on the forum is beyond me as the regulations are quite clear.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I also agree. Ignore those who are NOT attorneys.:rolleyes:
A tax attorney might be useful in this situation...overkill, but useful....but none of you are.

In fact...how much is it that you owe the IRS? You REALLY aren't someone that should be offering tax advice.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
This question has come up before and LdiJ is correct. Sometimes one can have success with twirling a chicken over one's head in the dead of night while singing In-a-gada-da-vida. However, if one wants to be sure of success, get the form signed or present an unconditional court order. Why this continues to be a dispute on the forum is beyond me as the regulations are quite clear.
The issue is NOT in dispute. No one said he would get the deduction or that it was his LEGAL right. However, filing the form 8332 and a copy of the divorce decree is a pre-requisit to standing to force the custodial parent to honor the court order or for a basis in civil recovery.

Not doing so, and informing the custodial parent of her legal obligation pursuant to the court order, will negate all rights available under T.C. Summary Opinion 2005-89 which specifically states that the right to file a form 8332 is not limited nor restricted to ONLY custodial parents or to a non-custodial parent who submitted a duly executed form and was married at the time of the birth of the child.

IF the IRS denies the exemption then the NCP has grounds to file a motion for contempt of a court order and pray for damages in the amount of the lost refund including court costs, legal fees and puntative damages.

The problem I have with Ldij is her selective reading. I stated unequivocally that BOTH the form 8332 (even if required to note 'refused to sign') AND the court order be placed in the return package. This will result, if mom also claims the child, in the IRS sending both parties a notice to prove their claim. And while the custodial parent is under no obligation to do so, simply telling them it's just fine to ignore the court order and taking the exemption is not only irresponsible, but will result in the custodial parent not only losing the deduction, but also more expense to defend their actions in court.

Is the poster "ENTITLED" to the refund? Probably not from the IRS.
Should the poster proceed as if the court order is being followed by both parties? ABSOLUTELY. Tax Code (section152(e)(2). Section 152(e)(2) )

POSTER: If she does not sign the form then proceed as both Jet and I suggested. You WILL receive a letter from the IRS. You need to AGAIN inform the ex that if she doesn't sign the Form 8332 and inhibits your rights under the current custody order, to receive your tax refund, that you will immediately sue her in civil court for contempt and the refund you would have received, including legal fees and court costs. AND you should also ask the court to award puntative fines for her intentional contempt.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
A tax attorney might be useful in this situation...overkill, but useful....but none of you are.

In fact...how much is it that you owe the IRS? You REALLY aren't someone that should be offering tax advice.
I owe them $103,451.82 and unlike you, the certified funds are due out on Monday.

now if you play tax preparer like you do attorney...well, don't starve.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
The issue is NOT in dispute. No one said he would get the deduction or that it was his LEGAL right. However, filing the form 8332 and a copy of the divorce decree is a pre-requisit to standing to force the custodial parent to honor the court order or for a basis in civil recovery.

Not doing so, and informing the custodial parent of her legal obligation pursuant to the court order, will negate all rights available under T.C. Summary Opinion 2005-89 which specifically states that the right to file a form 8332 is not limited nor restricted to ONLY custodial parents or to a non-custodial parent who submitted a duly executed form and was married at the time of the birth of the child.

IF the IRS denies the exemption then the NCP has grounds to file a motion for contempt of a court order and pray for damages in the amount of the lost refund including court costs, legal fees and puntative damages.

The problem I have with Ldij is her selective reading. I stated unequivocally that BOTH the form 8332 (even if required to note 'refused to sign') AND the court order be placed in the return package. This will result, if mom also claims the child, in the IRS sending both parties a notice to prove their claim. And while the custodial parent is under no obligation to do so, simply telling them it's just fine to ignore the court order and taking the exemption is not only irresponsible, but will result in the custodial parent not only losing the deduction, but also more expense to defend their actions in court.

Is the poster "ENTITLED" to the refund? Probably not from the IRS.
Should the poster proceed as if the court order is being followed by both parties? ABSOLUTELY. Tax Code (section152(e)(2). Section 152(e)(2) )

POSTER: If she does not sign the form then proceed as both Jet and I suggested. You WILL receive a letter from the IRS. You need to AGAIN inform the ex that if she doesn't sign the Form 8332 and inhibits your rights under the current custody order, to receive your tax refund, that you will immediately sue her in civil court for contempt and the refund you would have received, including legal fees and court costs. AND you should also ask the court to award puntative fines for her intentional contempt.
BB...the poster has a civil remedy simply because the CP refuses to sign the form 8332. That civil remedy is to file for contempt and to ask the judge to order the CP to sign the form. You are not suggesting that the poster send in a signed form 8332, you are suggesting that the poster send in an unsigned one.

That may have worked for you, but the odds of it working for this poster are not strong. The odds are far greater that it would be raising a red flag with the IRS. I also doubt that the OP has the resources to use a high priced tax attorney to deal with the IRS like you did.

The OP has now been given the correct advice by three tax professionals. I hope that the OP chooses wisely.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
BB...the poster has a civil remedy simply because the CP refuses to sign the form 8332. That civil remedy is to file for contempt and to ask the judge to order the CP to sign the form.
I think that is true in Kentucky, but not all states. From the Kleinrock cheat page:

"(a)(2)State courts' power to allocate dependency exemptions

In both an original divorce proceeding and in post-decree litigation, divorced parents often argue over who is entitled to claim the dependency exemptions for their children. The first question a state court must answer in these disputes is whether it has the power to allocate these exemptions. In most states that have considered the issue, the courts have concluded that post-TRA 1984 Code Section 152(e) was not designed to prevent them from allocating the dependency exemption. In other states, the courts have reached a contrary conclusion.

The majority of states take the position that a state court may compel the custodial parent to execute a written declaration releasing the right to the dependency exemption to the non-custodial parent and, as a result, these courts order the custodial parent to execute the waiver. [16] If the parent refuses to execute the waiver, it is within the court's power to cite the parent for contempt. [17] Those states that order the execution of a waiver include Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Tennessee, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

To these courts, the congressional goal of certainty in the allocation of the exemption is not thwarted by forcing a custodial parent to execute a waiver. Nothing in the statute or legislative history expressly prohibits a court from requiring a waiver, nor does the statute require that the waiver be voluntary. See Rohr v. Rohr, 800 P.2d 85 (Idaho 1990). From a policy standpoint, these courts believe they are in a better position than the IRS to ensure efficient enforcement of child support orders because they have the power to compel the non-custodial parent to remit the value of the exemption to the custodial parent in the form of additional child support.

Courts that refuse to order a custodial parent to execute a waiver generally conclude that the TRA 1984 amendment to Code Section 152 divested courts of such authority. For example, in McKenzie v. Kinsey, 532 So. 2d 98 (Fla. Ct. App. 1988), a Florida district court stated that requiring a party to execute a waiver is the equivalent of granting a taxpayer a deduction or exemption and that such power may only be granted by the legislature. In addition, the statute does not authorize courts to allocate the dependency exemption. [18] Instead, the statute implies the opposite; a waiver should be voluntary. Blanchard v. Blanchard, 401 S.E.2d 714 (Ga. 1991). States that refuse to order a custodial parent to execute a waiver include Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, and Texas. [19]

In refusing to require a custodial parent to sign a waiver, the Supreme Court of Nevada, in Jensen v. Jensen, 753 P.2d 342 (Nev. 1988), stated that coercive equitable relief was inappropriate. The Jensen court compared such coercion to ordering a spouse to sign a joint income tax return. Ordering a spouse to sign such a return is appropriate only when a legal remedy is inadequate. Since the court could not alter the amount of child support to compensate for the custodial parent's exemption, a forced waiver was unnecessary. "
 
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