Urgent, Please Help.

[BsBfrantic]

What is the name of your state? CA

I have been reading a lot of posts about AWOL experiences from other people, but none are really the same as my boyfriends. I need to know because I am pregnant and have heart problems, so this stress is really getting to me. So here's the situation.....

My boyfriend was in the Regular Army for 6 months, he went through Basic and AIT and was given his MOS and deployment date. In October he had some suicidal thoughts and starting isolating himself and disobeying his chain of command. The chaplain was contacted, but was unable to help because his company was noncoperative. He was on extra duty for an article 15 when he went AWOL. He has been AWOL now since October and has just recently missed his deployment date. Will these factors make it harder for him to get a discharge from Ft. Sill? Will he be sent back to his unit because of the missing in movement? Also, his recruitor told him not disclose his huge mental past when he joined the Army. Since the time he was 7 years old he was diagnosed with: Bi-Polar Disorder, Personality and Authority Disoder, Social Anxiety, PTSD, past 51/50's and suicide attemps, and severe learning disorders. He has seen a Psych since he has been out and has further been diagnosed with reaccurent depression and said to not be able to work anytime in the near future. He was put on meds for manic bi-polar and depression and given a referral to smoke marijuana legally as treatment (which he doesnt use). He wants to turn himself into Ft. Sill, but is very afraid he wont get a discharge because of his situation or will be returned to his unit. He wants to do this in the next couple days, but is very confused right now..... He wants to be able to get over here to take care of me and not have to hide anymore due to the heart complications I am having with this pregnancy. Thanks in advance for any helpful information.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

What is the name of your state? CA

I have been reading a lot of posts about AWOL experiences from other people, but none are really the same as my boyfriends. I need to know because I am pregnant and have heart problems, so this stress is really getting to me. So here's the situation.....

My boyfriend was in the Regular Army for 6 months, he went through Basic and AIT and was given his MOS and deployment date. In October he had some suicidal thoughts and starting isolating himself and disobeying his chain of command. The chaplain was contacted, but was unable to help because his company was noncoperative. He was on extra duty for an article 15 when he went AWOL. He has been AWOL now since October and has just recently missed his deployment date. Will these factors make it harder for him to get a discharge from Ft. Sill? Will he be sent back to his unit because of the missing in movement? Also, his recruitor told him not disclose his huge mental past when he joined the Army. Since the time he was 7 years old he was diagnosed with: Bi-Polar Disorder, Personality and Authority Disoder, Social Anxiety, PTSD, past 51/50's and suicide attemps, and severe learning disorders. He has seen a Psych since he has been out and has further been diagnosed with reaccurent depression and said to not be able to work anytime in the near future. He was put on meds for manic bi-polar and depression and given a referral to smoke marijuana legally as treatment (which he doesnt use). He wants to turn himself into Ft. Sill, but is very afraid he wont get a discharge because of his situation or will be returned to his unit. He wants to do this in the next couple days, but is very confused right now..... He wants to be able to get over here to take care of me and not have to hide anymore due to the heart complications I am having with this pregnancy. Thanks in advance for any helpful information.

Shorty, you out there? I'm not even entertaing this girls post.

 

[SHORTY LONG]

Shay-Pari'e, how's the new truck? Happy New Year to
you and yours.

BsBfrantic, why did he join in the first place? You state
clearly that the "Recruiter" told him not to disclose his
"Medical Condition," so, why did he join?

Since he is out of training, and now missed a movement,
oh yes, they will discharge him most likely, but, the kind
of discharge is ONE i can assure you that neither of you
would want; for unless he can prove without any kind of
ambiguity that he is "Medically Unfit" then, he may and
i can only surmise to this, in that he might be able to
get out with a good discharge. And he will have to give
a good reason, in fact prove that the "Recruiter" told him
not to "disclose his Medical Condition." To this end, there
is a good chance that, if he was given any upfront monies
upon enlisting, then, he will have to repay all of it, again, i
am only surmising!

Suggest, that he get his updated Medical Records, and
turn himself (check into) the nearest VA Hospital ASAP.
Make sure that all his "Medical Records" are copied just in
case, that is, if any get lost then you will have back-ups!

 

[cyberspook]

What is the name of your state? CA

I have been reading a lot of posts about AWOL experiences from other people, but none are really the same as my boyfriends. I need to know because I am pregnant and have heart problems, so this stress is really getting to me. So here's the situation.....

My boyfriend was in the Regular Army for 6 months, he went through Basic and AIT and was given his MOS and deployment date. In October he had some suicidal thoughts and starting isolating himself and disobeying his chain of command. The chaplain was contacted, but was unable to help because his company was noncoperative. He was on extra duty for an article 15 when he went AWOL. He has been AWOL now since October and has just recently missed his deployment date. Will these factors make it harder for him to get a discharge from Ft. Sill? Will he be sent back to his unit because of the missing in movement? Also, his recruitor told him not disclose his huge mental past when he joined the Army. Since the time he was 7 years old he was diagnosed with: Bi-Polar Disorder, Personality and Authority Disoder, Social Anxiety, PTSD, past 51/50's and suicide attemps, and severe learning disorders. He has seen a Psych since he has been out and has further been diagnosed with reaccurent depression and said to not be able to work anytime in the near future. He was put on meds for manic bi-polar and depression and given a referral to smoke marijuana legally as treatment (which he doesnt use). He wants to turn himself into Ft. Sill, but is very afraid he wont get a discharge because of his situation or will be returned to his unit. He wants to do this in the next couple days, but is very confused right now..... He wants to be able to get over here to take care of me and not have to hide anymore due to the heart complications I am having with this pregnancy. Thanks in advance for any helpful information.

OMG What is the Army recruiting now a day. My God it looks like they are even trying to recruit the bum on the corner with sign that reads "Will Work for Food"

 

[BsBfrantic]

He joined because he was in a manic high with his bi-polar. He doesn't care what kind of discharge he gets as long as he gets one. He doesn't agree with the military- they do a lot of illegal and immoral things- at least in his company. He also cannot mentally handle it- whether he would want to be in or not- it's just not possible for him. He has tons of past and present medical records, as stated. Some of you seem to not be aware of the lies and BS these recruiters feed men nowadays..... Recruitors have been caught making up fake high school diplomas, helping guys pass drug tests when they would be otherwise unclean, anything to get their commission and pat on the back. His recruiter said not to tell them he told him not to disclose this because he will get in trouble, so I doubt he is going to admit what he did, or that it will be easy to prove. However, his friend who is in MI was there when the recruitor told him this and will most likely testify or write a letter if he has to. So he should turn himself into a VA hospital instead of Ft. Sill? May I ask why? Thanks for the advice Shorty.....

 

[SHORTY LONG]

BsBfrantic, because of his "Medical Condition; and because of his present status with the Army."
This is only my suggestion given what you shared in your post; and given what choices would be
the best!

I would encourage you to search on how to do an Affidavit so your friend in MI can attest to the
Recruiter's illbegotten actions!

Yes, a lot of us are very well aware of Recruiter Misconduct in enlistment!

Hopefully other in here who are more senior, may shed more light to your post!

 

[DRTDEVL]

Recruitors have been caught making up fake high school diplomas, helping guys pass drug tests when they would be otherwise unclean, anything to get their commission and pat on the back. His recruiter said not to tell them he told him not to disclose this because he will get in trouble, so I doubt he is going to admit what he did, or that it will be easy to prove. However, his friend who is in MI was there when the recruitor told him this and will most likely testify or write a letter if he has to.

Wow... Talk about misinformed!

If he were to look in the papers he was given at MEPS, there is a piece of paper with the Recruiting Battalion Executive Officer's name and phone number, along with specific instructions to call if the Recruiter told him not to disclose anything.

ALL allegations of "Recruiter Impropriety" are investigated immediately, and many end up in prison.

There is no "Commission", as you allege. I was a Recruiter for 3 years. I made the same paycheck every month, whether I put somebody in the Army or not... It makes no difference.

Depending on your location, you need to find out where the Recruiting Battalion is that he enlisted through (usually in the same city as the MEPS station). Call and ask for the XO. Report what you know, and give contact information for the witnesses. Even if the Recruiter has left to another assignment, he will be recalled for the investigation.

Why do you think the public knows about these acts of Recruiting Impropriety? Because the Army WANTS you to know. We do not condone this type of activity, and will prosecute all offenders.

Now, this is not an automatic get out of jail free card... His current situation will actually hurt his credibility. It can be said that since he is just now bringing it up (while AWOL) that he is looking for an out.

Every Recruiter has been accused of Impropriety at some point in time... Even I was the subject of an "RI" investigation. The accuser decided he didn't want to ship out to the Army, and called in claiming I told him to hide something from his past. What he didn't know was that they looked into his enlistment medical file, and I had the injury documented, along with all associated medical records. Remember this... Because there is a chance it's in there. There is a chance that you don't know the full story. There is a chance that he just wants to set up the Recruiter as a fall guy.

Now, ask him about the briefing he received at MEPS... The one where they explicitly told him that he could be subject to a $10,000 fine for not disclosing information. When they specifically asked him if he was told not to disclose medical information.

Someone's integrity is in serious question here...

 

[johnysmith1128]

Have him call the deserter hotline and find out if he has been dropped from the rolls, there will be a warrant for his arrest probaly. If he has been, then have him report to fort sill, oklahoma immediately. He can take a bus to the front gate and tell the M.P's he is awol.

 

[BsBfrantic]

Well, he says that he was never briefed on that kind of stuff in MEPS. If he was I am assuming because of his attention problems and etc. that he didn't hear, or spaced it out. I don't think he will even bring up the thing with the recruiter, just because it's not like him to 'tell' on someone- plus he feels that it will make things more complicated. Yeah, we have called the USADIP number, but not recently..... They hadn't recieved any paperwork from his company yet, so I actually called his company and told them they needed to do so. By word of mouth they apparently did within a couple days, but who knows. Yeah I guess I should have him call USADIP again.

So no one has heard anything about guys turning themselves into Ft. Sill in a similiar situation as this? Is it all just guys that left before Basic and AIT were done that are getting out easy or? Thanks for any information. Also, I don't understand how they could send him back to his unit if they are deployed?

 

[johnysmith1128]

There has been plenty of people who were active and or going to be deployed and left, then turned themselves into fort sill. Every outcome is different. The thing you need to understand is that no matter how many questions or post, no one can give you an exact answer, and no one is going to give you the one you probaly want to hear. With that being said, call the hotline, and if he is DFR, then turn himself in, and get this behind him, end of story.