Personal information/Perverted Justice

[Shay-Pari'e]

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY WRONG! Like hello. I can't believe a senior member can be so off the mark. Check out the perverted justice home page.

Yes, pedophilia is wrong, immoral, illegal, etc. New research has indicated that pedophilia, just like homosexuality and heterosexuality, is an orientation born into. OP was seeking help, not victims. IF perverted justice (or the FBI) hacked into his computer, there was a violation of the Federal Electronics Privacy Act. The FBI would have required a warrant.

What most likely happened is Perverted Justice obtained the IP address and tracked down OP's personal information legally.

Ok, you are back stepping here.

Oh please. Where is the research that say's you are born to be a pedofile. My FBI remark may have been a little off base, but you know what? They work with law inforcement and I will bet you the FBI does have some doing in this.

How many pedofiles featured on Dateline sued about their privacy? We are protecting our children here, and if you cannot grasp that concept then just leave me alone.

 

[That90skid]

That's because chatting with an underaged person with the intent of meeting them for sex is illegal. I however obey the law.

 

[SHORTY LONG]

OP, other than your illness, if you having nothing to fear from hiding things on
your computer from the hackers, then, just do yourself and society a favor
and seek help. On the other hand, if you are withholding..., and lying then,
may you feel the wrath of God Almighty.

OZ, though Shay-Pari'e, may have been a little off the mark, she was very clear,
and on point, and presented an excellent superb post regarding these whatever!

 

[Not My 2 Kids]

OZ, though Shay-Pari'e, may have been a little off the mark

A little off the mark???

Wrong! Perverted justice is run by the one of the FBI departments to track down disgusting people like the OP.

That's not a little off the mark, that's just plain dead wrong.

My FBI remark may have been a little off base, but you know what? They work with law inforcement and I will bet you the FBI does have some doing in this.

That's wrong too. I'll take that bet. I'm not trying to be contentious here, but issues as important as this can't afford to ignore misinformation.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

I was not off the mark at all, other than the FBI thing. I do however feel that the FBI is involved.

A show like Dateline would not risk airing such things if they were not in fact certain that they were protected by the law.

The police work with Dateline and with PJ, so bite me.

Again, this is to protect our children. What part of this do you not get?

 

[You Are Guilty]

The correct answer to the question "What do I do when I beleive I am the victim of a crime" is "file a police report".

If you don't want to go to the police, then you get to live with the consequences of your actions. Pretty simple.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

Perverted-Justice functions by supporting volunteers who act as bait in chat rooms where children and minors can typically be found. The volunteers' public profiles generally have youthful-sounding usernames and pictures of children. The administrators of the site say they do not initiate online contact with the men they pursue, and also refuse to act on tips from Internet users in order to reduce the risk that someone might use the website to take revenge.[citation needed] The administrators also say that their volunteers do not look for targets in adult chatrooms.[citation needed] If a man starts chatting to the volunteer and turns the conversation to sex, the volunteer attempts to persuade the man to divulge personal details, particularly a telephone number, ostensibly needed to verify the man's identity so that a meeting can be arranged.

In the past, around this point the chatlog and details would be published on the site. However, in December 2003, the organization set up its "Information First" program, in which interested police departments could contact Perverted-Justice, and any "busts" made within that department's jurisdiction would be sent straight to them without being posted to the website.[7] In the early days of the program, Perverted-Justice.com did not initiate contact with the police, professedly because officers were skeptical that its information could be used in a court of law.

However, ever since July 2004 when they made their first conviction, the site's operators switched to a policy of cold calling local police with the information they obtained.[8] If a government agency is interested (police, FBI, military CID, etc.) then the chatlog and other information is not posted to the site until after a conviction has been reached.

Before their Information First program and their cold-calling policy became widespread, if no agency expressed interest in the information then the log was posted on the site. Volunteers on the site's forums would then engage in "follow-up", attempting to track down and notify family members, employers, and neighbors. In November 2006, after the site's 100th conviction, Perverted-Justice announced that this was no longer necessary, as Information First agreements were sufficient to cover any U.S. resident caught in a sting. Chat logs are now posted only after the person's legal case has been resolved. The follow-up process is still used, however, and volunteers for this work are continually sought by the organization [9]

To begin the follow-up process, the site's volunteers do a reverse-directory lookup to obtain the man's name, as well as checking on the Web for any other information they can find about him. They then post his name, address, and photograph if he has supplied one, on the website, as well as the chat log: a record of the conversation he had with the volunteer. In a process called "Follow-up," additional volunteers on the site's forums, operating under rules and restrictions set up by Perverted-Justice administrators, will contact the man's family, friends, neighbors, and employer to alert them to the website posting.[10] The intent of this is to warn anyone who may know the man about his activities and persuade them to help convince the man to receive counseling. The volunteers in these "Follow-up Forums" number in the thousands. With the elimination of chatlogs that are posted without law enforcement involvement, the site administration is working to redirect the efforts of follow-up volunteers to other purposes.

All telephone numbers are removed from the site's main pages after two months (though still available on the site's forums), to avoid another case like that of the Milwaukee bank teller, who received a threatening phone call from a man who had obtained her number from the website. The woman had never been online or even owned a computer, and was forced to change her number, which had previously been registered to the subject of a Perverted-Justice sting.[11]

Currently, the site only operates within the United States, but plans to expand into Canada.[12]

 

[Ozark_Sophist]

How many pedofiles featured on Dateline sued about their privacy? We are protecting our children here, and if you cannot grasp that concept then just leave me alone.

If you could read, you would see the OP had nothing to do with Dateline, abusing children, or the FBI. Since you can't, I'm not going to bother showing you the research.

 

[Ozark_Sophist]

I was not off the mark at all, other than the FBI thing. I do however feel that the FBI is involved.

A show like Dateline would not risk airing such things if they were not in fact certain that they were protectected by the law.

The police work with Dateline and with PJ, so bite me.

Again, this is to protect our children. What part of this do you not get?

So, to protect the children you want to deny pedophiles the right to seek help. How does that protect the children?

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

So, to protect the children you want to deny pedophiles the right to seek help. How does that protect the children?

He wasn't asking for help, he was asking how to protect his phone number and ISP. Where, Where in this post did you see him seekinking help OZ?

Where is your brain? What child needs to be hurt? He wasn't seeking help at all, legally he was, but not for his problem.

You truely amaze me.

That90skid
Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 6

Personal information/Perverted Justice

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*sighs* I haven't done anything illegal so I hope I won't get banned.

I'm 19 and I live in New Jersey. I'm a pedophile. Regardless of my views on the subject, I don't act. It's not that it's just a "matter of time" before I rape. Many pedophiles never act in their life and that statement is supported by sex researchers Ralph Underwager and Holida Wakefield in Special Problems with Sexual Abuse Cases:

_Although the terms are often used interchangeably, a distinction must be made between _sex offender against a minor_ and _pedophile_. The former refers to a criminal sexual behavior and the latter to an anomalous sexual preference. Many pedophiles never act on their impulses. At the same time, not all sex offenders against a minor are pedophiles._

For the last 2 years or so I've been active on pro pedophile message boards(nothing illegal, just discussion). I've needed emotional support because the attractions I have more often than not make me depressed. Early this morning I was talking with a member of a message board I'm at through IM who claimed he was also a pedophile, he hacked into my computer and now all my personal information is on a site run by the same people that do Perverted Justice. My name, IP address, a picture, my location, EVERYTHING. Is this harassment? Is this legal? Is there any way that I can get my personal info removed? I fear for my life that some vigilante that lives near me will see my page and break into my house and bring harm to me. What can I do?

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

ust because an adult has sex with a child doesn't mean they're attracted to them in any way whatsoever.

That is just sick.

We've already established I obey the law, can somebody please give me some legal advice? Is there a way to remove my personal information?[/

Amazing that you do not see this OZ.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

Thanks Shorty, I'm amazed no one else has chimed in here. Most of us have kids, and this thread is disgusting, and here we have OZ sticking up for the guy?

I'm out of here, I'm to disgusted.

 

[SHORTY LONG]

You are warmly welcome Shay-Pari'e.

Forum members, please read, and afterward, ask yourselves,
is this want we want in our society.
http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/news.apx.-content-articles-CMH-2007-08-16-0027.html

 

[CdwJava]

I was talking with a member of a message board I'm at through IM who claimed he was also a pedophile, he hacked into my computer

How do you know he "hacked" your computer?

You realize that whenever you're on the internet, your PC broadcasts it's IP, right? And there ARE perfectly lawful ways to find out your name, address, etc.

Can you PROVE he committed a crime and HACKED into your computer? if so, call the police ... if you dare (note: They will probably want to do a forensic exam of your computer ... do you dare??)

and now all my personal information is on a site run by the same people that do Perverted Justice. My name, IP address, a picture, my location, EVERYTHING. Is this harassment? Is this legal?

Most likely legal. The method the information was obtained might not be legal, but who you are and where you live are not secrets. You can always go to court and seek an injunction against the organization ... good luck with that.

Is there any way that I can get my personal info removed? I fear for my life that some vigilante that lives near me will see my page and break into my house and bring harm to me. What can I do?

You can go before a judge and request a court order to direct them to remove the info. However, I doubt they will have to since none of it appears to be secret. If they were making libelous (untrue) statements about you, then you might have a civil claim ... but, again, you'd have to through a court and your desires would probably leave a bad taste in the mouth of any judge or jury.



- Carl

 

[Not My 2 Kids]

Shay Pari'e said: I was not off the mark at all, other than the FBI thing. I do however feel that the FBI is involved.

And when I disagreed with Shorty Long I was only addressing the "FBI thing".

Shay Pari'e said: A show like Dateline would not risk airing such things if they were not in fact certain that they were protectected by the law.

Great! We agree on something! Actually, I have a suspicion we're wrong on this one, but we agree so far.

Shay Pari'e said: The police work with Dateline and with PJ, so bite me.

Sure the police work with PJ. But PJ isn't the police. That's all I said. So bite yourself or get one of your friends to help you.

Shay Pari'e said: Again, this is to protect our children. What part of this do you not get?

I don't get "protecting our children" because I corrected you? Are you serious? Wow.