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Citizenship Oath & Religious Convictions

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WonderingToo

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Applicable to all states.

Hello,

I would really appreciate any serious opinions and knowledgable answers to this question/dilemma.

I am a legal resident alien, married to a US citizen. I am able to apply for citizenship soon. I am also a citizen of another country, which allows me to keep dual citizenship. I have been in the US for 7 years, speak fluently English (no accent), my husband and my daughter are both US citizens. I work, own a home, invest in the market, invest in my community, abide by the law, volunteer, taught elementary school, etc. I respect and adhere to the law and Constitution of the United States.

I would love to become a citizen. I would love to be able to vote, and make my voice count in local and federal elections. Afterall, this is the community I am part of, live in, and care for.

There is just one problem, and that has to do with the citizenship oath. (http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=66b4b789f87b2074d9da1887c2c48424) I understand that it can be modified if an applicant such as myself has religious obligations to 'bearing arms' (I am not opposed to non-bearing-arms service, such as caring for families 'back home' or medical help). HOWEVER, I cannot in clear conscience, without reservation and with full integrity, renounce allegiance to any "power or principality."

Why? 1: Without going into too much detail, I believe in a God that is a power and principality in and of Himself, that stands over all nations and all other authority. My renouncing the above, I renounce my God. It goes against my religious conviction. 2: Both the US and my home country allow me to keep dual citizenship yet the oath, in theory, does not. I do not believe in any allegiance but one (the one to my God), and cannot pledge allegiance to any country, be it the US or my home country. I know many, many people have said the oath, and kept dual citizenship, but to me, pledging the oath, with reason 1. and 2. above, constitutes lying. Let me quickly add to that that I have no problem pledging to adhere to the law (as long as it doesn't interfere with God's law), do what's best for the interest of the US and it's inhabitants, etc.

Ok, so thanks for reading through all the above, here is the q:

Would I stand a chance, and if so, how do I go about it, to legally try and get the oath changed, or a least have a clause added that allows people such as I to say a modified oath?

Thanks in advance.
 
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seniorjudge

Senior Member
Q: Would I stand a chance, and if so, how do I go about it, to legally try and get the oath changed, or a least have a clause added that allows people such as I to say a modified oath?

A: Talk to your congresshuman.
 

WonderingToo

Junior Member
Thanks SJ - Had to laugh at "congresshuman'" but I get it ;)

How do I go about that? I'm assuming writing a letter? Do letters actually get to them? I guess I am worried that it might fall into hands of someone who really does not understand where I am coming from and automatically assumes I hate America (which is not anywhere close to the truth) and they just toss the letter.

I would also like to remain anonymous - there are people out there, that would hate me for this, and might try to come after me or my family. Furthermore, if I ever do decide it's not worth the fight or nothing changes, and like thousands of others decide the just say the oath half-heartedly, USCIS would know my reservations (because of my pulic plight) and maybe deny me citizenship.

We do not have the financial capability of getting a laywer. Do you think organizations like the ACLU (ok maybe not them in this case :p) or CLU or some other faith based legal organization would be able to help me? Recommendations? Can I go about this anonymously?

Also, has anyone ever tried anything similar before. I've 'googled' around, but can't seem to find anything.

Thanks again.
 
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seniorjudge

Senior Member
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Either take the oath or don't take the oath.

By the way, everyone who speaks any language on Earth speaks with an accent.
 

WonderingToo

Junior Member
No need to get 'mean' is there SJ? Do you have any answers to the questions in my 2nd post?

If I don't take the oath, I cannot become a citizen. The oath should be allowed to be modified, based on someones moral or religious obligations or convictions. That is what this country is all about, in fact, it would be quite unconstitutional if not, no?

Anyways, would love to hear from you if you have answers to those 2nd post questions, if not, thanks for your first reply, and take care.
 

REB

Junior Member
I have a friend that had the same dilemma. This is not advice or a prediction in your matter but in her case....

She took the US oath but did not take additional steps with the country of her origin to relinquished her citzenship.

Therefore, she still has dual citizenship.
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
I have a friend that had the same dilemma. This is not advice or a prediction in your matter but in her case....

She took the US oath but did not take additional steps with the country of her origin to relinquished her citzenship.

Therefore, she still has dual citizenship.
Why are you necroposting?
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
I am not fluent with e-speak but I assume you mean I am being a late poster.
Yes. We do not post to old thread...unless the OP (original poster) revives it. Keep your responses to thread that are new (15 days)...
 

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