Pledge of Allegiance

[Ohiogal]

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/school-prayer-pledge-allegiance

SCOTUS ruled on this issue a LONG time ago.
"in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943). The court held that schools may not coerce or force students into reciting the pledge, observing the existence of an individual right of conscience to sit silently while others recited. Most schools responded by making the pledge voluntary.

 

[seniorjudge]

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist.

 

[GulfBreeze]

What is the name of your state? Illinois

First of all, I don't care about your personal opinions.

Well, good day to you too...

If you don't care about our opinions, why are you here?

First of all...is it asking much to stand during the pledge? I hate it when people try to use religion or non-patriotic reasons using their kids to pass their own personal views onto others. I don't think kids should be whipped or imprisoned for not doing th pledge, but parents shouldn't get involved and make it a stand in courts. I don't find nothing wrong in teaching kids to respect the flag that many have died for so that we have a great country to live in.

 

[justalayman]

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/school-prayer-pledge-allegiance

SCOTUS ruled on this issue a LONG time ago.
"in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943). The court held that schools may not coerce or force students into reciting the pledge, observing the existence of an individual right of conscience to sit silently while others recited. Most schools responded by making the pledge voluntary.

then would you explain why this Florida case was neccessary? Or even allowed to proceed?

If this had been to the SCOTUS, why would it be required to take every such law to court?

(not meant as a denial of your statement, it just sounds that way)

 

[8awheel]

then would you explain why this Florida case was neccessary? Or even allowed to proceed?

From what I have hard in the past about that 1943 case is that the challenge was made on the act of saluting and reciting the pledge-- not standing. And that resulted in the required participation of standing (and as Ohiogal said, some schools made it volunatary), but I'm not too sure about this.

If you don't care about our opinions, why are you here?

If I told you I don't care aboout your opinion, why are you here?
Again, I meant your personal opinions on what the law should be concerning the pledge of allegiance. I honestly don't want to debate how the law should be, I can talk to anybody about that. I am here for you opinions on how the law functions in this case and your interpretations of which.

First of all...is it asking much to stand during the pledge?

Is it asking to much to sit during the pledge? We can talk about it endlessly, but that is not what this thread is about.

 

[justalayman]

From what I have hard in the past about that 1943 case is that the challenge was made on the act of saluting and reciting the pledge-- not standing. And that resulted in the required participation of standing (and as Ohiogal said, some schools made it volunatary), but I'm not too sure about this.


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If so, this goes to show what I was talking about where the actual activity is often not what is decided but some related potion of the activity that is ruled on.

Even with that though, I read the link O-gal provided. it does seem several times that reciting the pledge in general has been ruled on. I have not read the actual SCOTUS decisions, just summaries, but it woudl seem many of them are redundant.

 

[GulfBreeze]

Is it asking to much to sit during the pledge? We can talk about it endlessly, but that is not what this thread is about.

Too bad shooting people is illegal.

Ya, you can sit on your fat a**. It's your "right". The same rights that people who preferred to stand and respect the honor of the flag of this country. The same one in which people in uniform give the ultimate price so low lifes like some can shame it with their idiot beliefs. Don't speak to me any further. I don't care to talk to someone who feels doing such a small task such as standing during the pledge is sooooo hard.

on second thought...disregard the above comment. i shouldnt lower myself to his level....

 

[las365]

GulfBreeze, you obviously haven't read the thread, as the OP explained his "personal opinion" comment 4 posts in. He was attempting to avoid just the sort of personal attacks you veered off into. There is actually an inetresting discussion of the law going on here, since you didn't notice.

Why are you talking about shooting someone? I suggest you cool it before an intervention is required.

 

[8awheel]

I don't care to talk to someone who feels doing such a small task such as standing during the pledge is sooooo hard

Not so fast, I never said that I never stood during the pledge of allegiance or that I feel that it is sooooo hard and shouldn't be done. I am only asking questions on how the law functions in this case, especially in Illinois. You are making all of these assumptions that are getting yourself worked up, calm down. This is exactly why I didn't want to discuss the pledge of allegiance itself, only how the law applies to it and what rights individuals have concerning it. Whether people sit or stand is none of my business, but I am very interested in the law of the subject matter. And if we can remain mature about this and put our personal convictions aside it we don't have to get upset.

 

[GulfBreeze]

Not so fast, I never said that I never stood during the pledge of allegiance or that I feel that it is sooooo hard and shouldn't be done. I am only asking questions on how the law functions in this case, especially in Illinois. You are making all of these assumptions that are getting yourself worked up, calm down. This is exactly why I didn't want to discuss the pledge of allegiance itself, only how the law applies to it and what rights individuals have concerning it. Whether people sit or stand is none of my business, but I am very interested in the law of the subject matter. And if we can remain mature about this and put our personal convictions aside it we don't have to get upset.

i apologize...i thought you were one of those who was seeking to fight for the right to sit. Actually, you don't have to stand...you can in fact (unless the law changed) burn the flag here in the states...its just not looked upon in a good matter. you don't have to remove your hat for the national anthem either...people have fought to remove UNDER GOD from it etc...the commandments were removed from a courthouse yard in the south...you see, there are people that will fight for the most stupid things (IMHO) while we have soldiers over in the middle east fighting and dieing for that right. so, please accept my apology.

 

[Ohiogal]

you can in fact (unless the law changed) burn the flag here in the states...its just not looked upon in a good matter.

That is where you and many others are wrong. Burning the flag is a very good thing. Do you know who burns more flags than ANYONE?

 

[GulfBreeze]

That is where you and many others are wrong. Burning the flag is a very good thing. Do you know who burns more flags than ANYONE?

Tell us, the suspense is killing us.....

A very good thing to burn the flag???

not as good as stripping you of your citizenship. better yet...why don't you renounce your citizenship and head south (or north). send us a postcard.

 

[justalayman]

uh, the American Legion?

 

[Just Blue]

That is where you and many others are wrong. Burning the flag is a very good thing. Do you know who burns more flags than ANYONE?

The Military?


Gulfbreeze, burning the flag is the proper and RESPECTFUL way to dispose of it. So perhaps, since you are such a patriot, you should educate yourself before telling someone they should have their citizenship stripped.

GulfBreeze
A very good thing to burn the flag???

not as good as stripping you of your citizenship. better yet...why don't you renounce your citizenship and head south (or north). send us a postcard.

 

[justalayman]

The Military?


Gulfbreeze, burning the flag is the proper and RESPECTFUL way to dispose of it. So perhaps, since you are such a patriot, you should educate yourself before telling someone they should have their citizenship stripped.

I hope everybody does know how to properly dispose of a flag but we all know that this is not the burning that is being talked about. We are talking about the big group of folks hanging the flag over a burn barrel as a sign of dislike.