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TrissTan

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What is the name of your state?
GA
Hello,
I am U.A. from the Marine Corps and would like some advice from people more educated on matters pertaining to my situation than me. I talked to Marine recruiters Nov. of 2006 about enlisting in the Marines. I was offered a $3000 sign-on bonus if I went ahead and joined, and having been out of highschool almost a year, with no set plans for my future, I accepted. Less than three weeks after walking into my recruiters office I was on my way to Parris Island. I arrived Dec. 4th, 2006. I graduated bootcamp March 12th of 2007 and after my boot leave reported to infantry school. I made it thru bootcamp and SOI with no problems besides some shin splints. I was told things would not be the same as they were in bootcamp or S.O.I. once you go into the fleet. I was told I would be treated with fairly and dignity.
Well, I was under the impression via recruiter, drill instructors, and S.O.I. instructors I would be stationed in Camp Lejune, N.C. A week and a half prior to my completion of S.O.I. I was taken to a room and told I had been stationed at Kaneohe Bay, HI. No if's, and's, or but's about it. Up to this point, I had a 287 PFT score, and all my test scores were at the top of my platoon, and company. I was in Hawaii about a month, and had won a meritorious promotion to Lnc. Cpl. via company level and was set to go in front of Battallion to compete for the promotion. I never made it that far.
Within a week of winning the company level promotion board, rumors were started by a senior lnc. cpl. in my company that resulted in the ostrichization of me from the rest of the company. I was herassed, treated unfairly, humiliated, and felt physically threatened. Seeing nowhere to turn and having no friends there...They all got stationed in N.C. I begin to resent my seniors and the corps. My loss of motivation only increased the herrassment I received daily. I realized that at 19, I didnt know everything and I had made a serious mistake. I joined an orginization that preached Honor, Courage, and Commitment. Promised fair treatment and dignity...Pride. In my seven month stint in the Marines I saw only glimmers of any of those traits. I begin to realize that I was misguided in my previous thinking of military service and the Marines in general.
I had a roomate that influenced my decision to go u.a., indirectly, by what he had been thru. He was a lnc. cpl. with three iraq combat tours under his belt, that re-enlisted under the premise he would get embassy duty, told directly by a Master Srg. who got him to re-enlist, then said "sorry, wasent in writing, tough luck". Well he didn't get his promised duty, and was told he would have to serve two more tours before that request could be approved. Bull if you ask me. Anyway, seeing how they treated this marine, a good marine who had done more for his country in way of combat tours than our company gunny, made me realize that I had been deceived, and had deceived myself.
I decided to go U.A. without telling anybody. I left June 16th 2007, and was not reported U.A. by my command until June 18th. I moved to a friends house and worked and thought about my life and where I wanted it to go. I realize now, 90 days later after MUCH thought and research, as well as talking to family, I want no part of being a Marine. I have money to go to college and I have decided that I want to attend school and get a degree.
SO, that is a brief summary of my story, but now I plan on turning myself in within the next three weeks. I want to know the best way to go about getting discharged? I would like to know how a OTH or BC discharge will afect me getting into college? I would like to know the length of brig time I could face? and if they will send me back to my unit to stand trial or to a base on the east coast? I would like to know if being in barely over seven months will affect my chances at discharge? How turning myself in before the 180 day mark will likely result in retention or better chance there of? Im very fit and scored extremly well on all aptitude test and PFT's and think that will make them more likely to fight my discharge and try to retain me.
I was 19 years old and thought I knew what I wanted. I made a mistake. I want to rectify that mistake. I want to go to college and be a productive member of society and try and put all of this behind me. If you could please give me some advice or information I would greatly appreciate it.
 


The Marine Corps current policy is to send the Marine back to where he/she went UA, no matter where you turn yourself in. You can do so at any military installation but you will be going back to HI. They may court-martial you give you six months in the brig and discharge you with a BCD or they may simply allow you to plead guilty and offer you a discharge in lieu of trial by court-martial. The BCD or the OTH will not prevent you from going to college or getting loans.

They may very well offer you the opportunity to stay. I know it seems like the wrong choice right now, but it is not. You are nineteen, at best case scenario you will get that OTH discharge that you will be stuck with for the rest of your life. That means no government agency will ever pick you up despite how great of an education you have. The stigma is long lasting. Not to mention the torment its price will wage on your soul.

Don't let what some other Marine's expierience get in your way and ruin your morale. Go back and stay back.
 

TrissTan

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thank you for your insight. I would consider staying in the corps, but the only real reason I would want to is for the G.I. Bill, which after doing research found that only a 3rd of those who have done there 4 yrs receive all benifits. Also, if they so choose after my 4 yrs to give me anything but honorable discharge, I would receive little to none of those benifets.
I will seriously consider all options before deciding anything tho, as i am aware that the reprucussions of my decision either way will affect the rest of my life.
Thank you for your time.
 
thank you for your insight. I would consider staying in the corps, but the only real reason I would want to is for the G.I. Bill, which after doing research found that only a 3rd of those who have done there 4 yrs receive all benifits. Also, if they so choose after my 4 yrs to give me anything but honorable discharge, I would receive little to none of those benifets.
I will seriously consider all options before deciding anything tho, as i am aware that the reprucussions of my decision either way will affect the rest of my life.
Thank you for your time.
Ok. I will not harp on this. You seem like a smart Marine. But, at this point you might even be eligible for a field grade article 15, you could do your time and get out with that honorable discharge, become a savvy civilian and make the goverment pay there fair share of the GI bill. It all starts with you going back though.
 

TrissTan

Junior Member
Once again thank you for the help. I really don't know what I will do as of yet. Either way however, It will be getting resolved very soon. Im not against the corps, but with the ammount of herassment and humiliation I faced on a daily basis via my seniors, I just dont think I could go back to the same company I was in. I just wont tolerate my being degraded and herassed so harshly and vehemently by those who are supposed to be my brothers in arms, and who are the same age as me.
I have only this one black spot on my books, the rest of the time I was in the front of the pack so to say. If the Corps are willing to reason those facts in, and atleast put me in a new company I would be more than willing to serve my term.
If they could care less, and try to give me the big green weenie, I will do whatever need be done to be discharged and continue on with my life.
 
thank you for your insight. I would consider staying in the corps, but the only real reason I would want to is for the G.I. Bill, which after doing research found that only a 3rd of those who have done there 4 yrs receive all benifits. Also, if they so choose after my 4 yrs to give me anything but honorable discharge, I would receive little to none of those benifets.
I will seriously consider all options before deciding anything tho, as i am aware that the reprucussions of my decision either way will affect the rest of my life.
Thank you for your time.
Don't take this wrong but....you joined the Marines just for the GI BILL? It seems you didn't give it any thought. You were joining the MILITARY. The GI BILL is just a benefit that you earn for your time in the service. You are still required to be a MARINE. That means, you are not there as a college exchange student, wasting time of the US taxpayers just so you can get education money. Why didn't you just get a grant, scholarship etc...? When you swear the oath and sign on the dotted line, you are the property of the MARINES. You are a soldier first, student second. You obligated yourself for the time agreed on, in return, they promised to give you this benefit. I have given this advice to my son, since I was in the NAVY and I, myself got the GI BILL and used it to get my post service degree in Nursing. I did however, mention to him that he would have to service his country first. It would not be easy, but in the end, he would be a stronger person. Maybe you were not mature enough to make that kind of decision, or you didn't know all the facts. You should have known that the service wasn't going to be a summer camp with family fun activities.

Going UA, AWOL etc doesn't show much maturity. I would go back and finish the time you agreed on. Life isn't fair sometimes, but you were not forced at gunpoint to join.
 

TrissTan

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I expected the criticsism to come sooner than it did. Well let me explain a little bit.
My company, 2-3 Fox based out of KAneohe Bay, HI has recently returned from a deployment to Barwana Iraq. There were 3 K.I.A. out of the company. Well, A certain Lnc. Cpl. whom had some beefs with me since arrival did not like the fact that I had been promoted to PFC on a friday, won meritorious lance on that SAME sunday, and was due to pick up his rank the following week. A feat that took him two years to do.
This lnc. cpl. told his fellow veterans that ME, a boot whod never been in deployment or seen much of anything (to their knowledge) said that "2-3 in Barwana didnt do ****, those guys died for nothing."
that is EXACTLY what he said. So on a wensday after winning company im just walking back to my room after weapons maintenance when a roided out (looks like) corpral approaches me with a large group of other marines and starts with :so 2-3 didnt do **** in iraq huh?"
Having no freaking idea what this corpral is talking about I act dumb and try to defend myself. For those who have served you know the only response allowed to be givin to a senior is Aye, no, yes or no sir, or rank depending on commisioned status.
After that day, within two days, EVERY SINGLE senior marine who had been over in Barwana are CONSTANTLY in my face, threatning me with bodily harm calling my pussy and bitch. The worse part? The ****ing bitch who started the rumor, had the nerve to ask how my day was while giving me a coy smile, then said "semper fi brother." I almost lost it right there.
I had become the most hated person in the company. Even STSRGs are telling me im lucky they cant **** me up because of what would happen to them.
BUTTTTTT, you know what? your right. Life is not fair and I made a commitment, took an oath. I broke that oath, but ONLY after much thought into the fact that the Marines had failed to uphold there commitment to me as well. Im sorry, but blind obedience is not me. There is an extent to which I will go before I say enough is enough, this is BS. I had NO HELP. my seniors...BTW im 0351, could care less. they all told me I had lost all respect and I was a ****bag marine.
I decided the hell with this, and I did leave. I am no coward tho. I will face the punishment given to me whatever it may be.
I dont feel like typing pages of the daily **** that went on with me. All I will say is that many things were done to me that are NJP'ble offenses. As you who serve know tho, snitching is NOT the way to go. I could have gone to my first srgt who is notorious for giving out NJPs like candy. and I could have got my seniors in alot of trouble. Then in iraq some months later, are they really gonna have my back? No, most likely not. So I just left. Because honestly, if THAT is what being a marine is all about, if that is the brotherhood I heard my D.I.'s preach about, if thats the honor, courage, and commitment that was preached to me my whole time in, They can KEEP IT. They can keep it.
Im 20 yrs old, I can do whatever I want with my life. If I cant find a good job in this country, believe me, I will move to one I can. Success is happiness. I didnt feel any pride or success in wearing the eagle, globe, and anchor.
I WILL be reporting all once I turn myself in. I could care less about my seniors at this point.
 

TrissTan

Junior Member
Im sorry Gulfbreeze, I did not awnser your question.
I joined the Marine corps because I felt pride in the mission statement, the history, and the traditions. The G.I. Bill was a bonus...my means for the future after the Corps.

Honestly, my opinion of all has been permantly changed by my experiences. I am saying the only reason I can think to WANT to go back and serve out my term is for the G.I. Bill. Thats it. Ive BEEN in and seen the fairness and dignified treatment promised first hand. Ive seen the brotherhood FIRST HAND. Ive learned honor, courage, and commitment, just not the kind that was beat into my head as a recruit.
Ive seen it. Ive lived it. And when you wake up everyday hating life, when you have violent images flashing into your head, not of iraqis being killed....more like beating a seniors face in until you hit the ground beneath...thats not normal. But I had so much rage... Noone to turn to. I went U.A. because mainly my treatment was beyond bull****, and secondly, everyday I felt like I was a bomb with a lit fuse....I just didnt know how long the fuse was. Theres no telling what would have happened. escpecially when im like twice the size of most these guys who surround me, who come into my room, ejacualate on my toilet, and demand I clean it up to there laughter ( just ONE incident, that day had many more left mind you).
Anyway., sorry to get off topic. Im not defending my U.A. or making excuses. That is NOT what these post are. These post are my REASONS for doing what I did, and my thought process that helped to decide those decisions. Thats really all I need to say, ive already written too much.
 

SHORTY LONG

Senior Member
Am I to understand you are a 0351? In your post, you listed boot camp and SOI, but nothing about BST School. So, where did you pick-up the 0351 from?
 

TrissTan

Junior Member
I am sorry, but I have no idea of BST school. Infantry school is nothing but 0311 training for the first four weeks until MOS breakdown.
At that time they gave a list of choices by preference to all the SOI students. It listed 0311, 0331, 0341, 0351, and 0352 as the choices. 0351 was my second choice. I would have been 52, tow gunner, but I did not have a valid drivers license at the time so they gave me a test in math and other related subjects for 0351. I did well and was seleceted with 23 other marines to be an assualtman, or 0351.
At that time the company was broken down into sections of each MOS and for the next 8 weeks all i learned was demolitions, urban breaching, and the firing of the SMAW and AT-4. We trained seperate from all othersections, as did they, and that is how I became and was assigned to be an 0351.
Thats about the jist of it.
 

SHORTY LONG

Senior Member
Thank you Marine for sharing, and educating me on today's Marines. In my day, it was night and day to what you have shared.

Now, so we are clear, getting an OTH will have a lifetime of collateral consequences, and getting a BCD will have the same,
with one additional attachment, "a Federal Misdemeanor Conviction." You can go to school on your own money; and some
professions you will not be able to test for because of the type of discharge. So, it will be on you to discuss with whatever
profession you choose and contact the licensing board of that profession.

I encourage you to think what you have already accomplished verses what is at stake.
Normally, as Cyberspook had shared, a Marine that goes UA from his or her last duty station
is normally returned back there. I am not sure at this time, where one would go presuming your are
inside the States, and not in Hawaii. I will be out for most of the day tomorrow, and if I can learn
something concrete I will share with you.

I put in a call to the locale Recruiter, and they were interviewing applicants, and asked if I could return a
call at 2000 hrs. I said thank you but Friday would be better. I kind of laughed in a small way because
the last two digits of their telephone number was 86. Go figure!
 

Silverplum

Senior Member
Thank you Marine for sharing, and educating me on today's Marines. In my day, it was night and day to what you have shared.
You are clearly an angel, Shorty, and I think highly of you. However, respectfully :), I must disagree. As you know, I have a son in the Marines and a son that recently completed his service in the Navy. Neither man would act in such a fashion, and neither man would countenance such from others.

So it IS still similar to your day, Shorty. Just depends on where you are and who you're with, like anyplace else. :)
 

TrissTan

Junior Member
I would like to thank everyone for there advice, input, and help.
I would just like to point out that I KNOW the majority of the marine corps is not like the image I have painted. I know how it is in one company, one duty-station. That hardly makes me an expert on the corps overall. However, the bad taste that was put in my mouth is one which im not sure will ever be able to be completley get rid of.
Alot of marines probably never experience anything like I have, and alot have probably experienced much worse.
Thank you again for all of your help. Most my questions have been awnsered and I Know much more than I did before I posted.
I will be sure to update my situation as I can for those who wish to know.
Thank you.
 
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