Meds and Neglect

[proud_parent]

...there is no training, or courses for that matter on mandated reporting. Not where I have worked...

...We have a responsibility to children. IMO...

Then educate yourself:

https://www.kcsl.org/(S(2sqhusz22o41yf2a12ntaeac))/MandatedReporterTraining.aspx

Only $40 for the full-blown course. A wise investment, in my opinion.

 

[ksjane]

Then educate yourself:

https://www.kcsl.org/(S(2sqhusz22o41yf2a12ntaeac))/MandatedReporterTraining.aspx

Only $40 for the full-blown course. A wise investment, in my opinion.

Excellent, thank you very much. You are correct, definatlely worth 40 bucks. Do you know if this is the same in other states? Thanks again.

 

[BL]

http://www1.dshs.wa.gov/ca/safety/abuseReport.asp

Pick your choice for a short version .

Text or video .

 

[LdiJ]

Excellent, thank you very much. You are correct, definatlely worth 40 bucks. Do you know if this is the same in other states? Thanks again.

Even if its not exactly equal to other states, it would certainly be helpful for you.

I come from a family of educators, and have many friends who are also educators, and you are certainly NOT the first person I have known who was uncertain as to whether or not they were mandated to report a particular something, and also not the first person to choose not to ask the administration before getting advice elsewhere first.

I know that its not as simple as it seems.

 

[Bloopy]

If you are as you say, a mandated reporter , you wouldn't be here on an interned forum asking us if not providing meds is neglect .

You could very well march to the schools administrative office to ask (but you are suppose to be trained in what to report as neglect) .

Go ahead and call in your concerns, but don't expect the report to be founded.

Their responses may have just spared you a misdemeanor criminal charge for failure to report.

Ouch Blonde- reporting was definitely reasonable. So was being on the fence. What’s going on can be considered neglect. It’s harder to judge such abuse compared to obvious physical abuse. Not a chance she’d be facing “misdemeanor criminal charge for failure to report.” Its such a judgment call, and there’s a line of people ahead of OP at school that could have reported.

 

[Ohiogal]

OMG, I didn't realize you could offer real legal advice unless you were a real legal attorney? I thought this was FREE ADVICE? Did that change?

It is free advice but advice that deals with the law.

Anyway, is the order really that relevent?

Umm, yes. It is the only thing that is really relevant.

I don't know, that is why I am asking. If the child is supposed to be on meds and is not, isn't that the real issue here.

Not according to your first post. You wanted to know about medical neglect. Well what you are describing is not LEGALLY medical neglect.

Who I am, and HOW the child was diagnosed really doesn't seem as important (or relevent IMO) as the fact that the child is flunking school, and could potentially NOT be flunking school if meds were regulated.

Potentially does not matter. Potentially the child could be the president of the US or a serial killer. Who you are matters because of the type of information that is necessary. How the child was diagnosed is VERY relevant from a legal standpoint.

The child was diagnosed by a licensed therapist and has been on meds for 4 years, regulated and monitored. The behavior issues with CP are 'the typical--I HATE YOU--TEEN SYNDROME--yes, typical teen behavior issues, however, child was doing fine in school (which is very important) and now is not (which is still very important).

It is only important if it is based and tied directly to the fact that the child is no longer on medication, and that link can be proven as being the ONLY reason why said child is no longer doing well. It also matters what you consider doing fine and not doing fine.

I just found out there is a current request to modify custody, so at this point, noone knows how that will pan out.
My question is, should I report this as neglect as I am a mandated reporter?

It is not neglect but if you are a mandated reporter how do you NOT know why it is legally relevant regarding things? Parents have a right NOT to medicate their children. Unless it is life and death then that is the parent's choice.

TIA

You are welcome teach.

 

[Ohiogal]

Not sure if its a budget issue or what but there is no training, or courses for that matter on mandated reporting. Not where I have worked, they say, "if you feel a child is in danger, as an employee, you are required to tell someone." That is that, was not aware of any training or courses, good to know though.
So, basically, in your opinion, a child not receiving meds is not neglect? Yet, another poster suggests I thank one of the posters for sparing me a misdemeanor criminal charge for not reporting. Interesting.
I am not sure what ends you speak of, I am concerned that a childs opportunities are being shortchanged. Period.

Anyway, as I said, a report has been made, AGAIN, thanks everyone for your input. Really no need to carry on, no need to blow a hard drive. Report has been made. Thanks again.
Have a good evening

Bull. I have taken teaching courses and even taught for a well and have several professional educators in my group of friends -- all of them were taught about neglect and abuse and how to see signs of it. It is part of in service training. report has been made of a case that is NOT medical neglect. Great. Nice waste of time.

 

[Ohiogal]

Ouch Blonde- reporting was definitely reasonable. So was being on the fence. What’s going on can be considered neglect. It’s harder to judge such abuse compared to obvious physical abuse. Not a chance she’d be facing “misdemeanor criminal charge for failure to report.” Its such a judgment call, and there’s a line of people ahead of OP at school that could have reported.

Legally? NO. it is not medical neglect. Not by the LEGAL definition of medical neglect. I do agree that she would not be facing misdemeanor criminal charge.

 

[ksjane]

Bull. I have taken teaching courses and even taught for a well and have several professional educators in my group of friends -- all of them were taught about neglect and abuse and how to see signs of it. It is part of in service training. report has been made of a case that is NOT medical neglect. Great. Nice waste of time.

Geez, hot topic today. Certainly didn't expect this much feedback. Once again, the report has already been made. Relevent or not, it has been made. I presume it is now out of my hands.

As for inservice, I was only required 5 hours, none of which covered neglect, unfortunately. However, the previous posters offered some very helpful sites I will definately look into. However, I will be no longer be employed with the school district at the end of the year.

Thanks again for everyones input, again, report has been made.

 

[ksjane]

Umm, yes. It is the only thing that is really relevant.

Sorry, cant do all that fancy quoting, I do actually have another question. Not relevent now, but I am curious. How is the custody order the only thing that is relevant to whether or not a report should be filed for neglect?
TIA

 

[Ohiogal]

Sorry, cant do all that fancy quoting, I do actually have another question. Not relevent now, but I am curious. How is the custody order the only thing that is relevant to whether or not a report should be filed for neglect?
TIA

Because at that time you had not posted all the relevant information and going on what you had posted it was easy to believe you were a parent. And legal custody matters. But you decided to leave out EXTREMELY IMPORTANT info.

 

[mommyof4]

Sorry, cant do all that fancy quoting, I do actually have another question. Not relevent now, but I am curious. How is the custody order the only thing that is relevant to whether or not a report should be filed for neglect?
TIA

That is not why the question was asked. It was relevant as it pertained to the right or responsibility of the parents to consult with and work with each other as far as medical decisions go. It is not always appropriate for a child to be medicated. At the time, it was in question as to whether the parent had any right or standing to have any input in the medical decisions. As we had no idea who you were in the situation (and your continuing reluctance to answer that simple question) most were really trying to find out if you had any right to be involved in this situation to begin with.

I have to agree with the others as far as this thread being questionable. You seem to have a history of asking very vague questions. It would seem that if you are a mandated reporter, you would have reported this whether or not you were positive it was, in fact, legal neglect. You know...to be on the safe side, and all that.

 

[ksjane]

I asked the question because I did not know whether or not this particular situation pertained to neglect. Some said yes, some said no, clearly, I am not the only one who is confused about this. Neglect is very broad, is it not? What one may perceive to be neglect, another may not. As a parent myself, there are things that I think are neglectful that others do not, on the contrary, there are things that others think are neglectful, that I do not.
Not everyone is a mandated reporter, and not everyone who reports is directly and/or legally involved. They do not need to be. If I see someone physically abusing a child (yes, I agree this is a different situation) then you can believe I am going to report it, whether or not I am mandated to do so. If someone else witnesses the same thing, I certainly am not going to tell them they shouldn't report it because they have no right to be involved in the situation. I also think that if you are confused about a situation, you should seek advice and/or more information, before throwing in the towel.

 

[222242]

I don't even know if anyone is still posting, but if KS comes back I would like to know how old the child is - middle school? high school? Pre teens and teens are scatter brained and hormonally driven - just that lovely stage of development. Mine are 13 and 15 and "forget" to brush their hair.
If the kid is old enough maybe the ncp thought the kid was responsible for taking their own meds and the kid "forgot" to take them. If it is medication for bp and add does it have to be taken at the same time every day?

 

[LdiJ]

I don't even know if anyone is still posting, but if KS comes back I would like to know how old the child is - middle school? high school? Pre teens and teens are scatter brained and hormonally driven - just that lovely stage of development. Mine are 13 and 15 and "forget" to brush their hair.
If the kid is old enough maybe the ncp thought the kid was responsible for taking their own meds and the kid "forgot" to take them. If it is medication for bp and add does it have to be taken at the same time every day?

Earlier in the thread, she stated that the father refused to even buy the medication, because he doesn't believe that she needs it....when she clearly does, based on the disastrous drop in her grades and getting kicked off sports and cheerleading.