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3UofMfans

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What is the name of your state? NC

First let me apologize if this does not break up into paragraphs. My laptop crashed and I am posting from a cell phone.

Background: Childrens dad and I separated in Sept of 2000. We had a separation agreement that was notorized and recorded but was not signed by a judge or court ordered in any way. Separation agreement stated we had joint physical custody. I was laid off from my job in February 2004. We did the 50/50 custody until March of 2005. We live in 2 different counties. Children (ages 13 in 2 weeks and 9 1/2) go to school in dad's district. In March 2005 I went to afterschool care to pick up children. The boys were not there. I called their dad frantic thinking they had been kidnapped or who knows what. He stated he had picked them up. He no longer wanted to do this 50/50 schedule because he thought it was affecting my oldest sons schooling (Oldest son has struggled since kindergarten. Had hearing loss, 2 sets of tubes, 6 years of speech therapy) Due to knowing my ex so well. I told him I would agree to his change on a short term basis with the agreement that if grades did not improve we would go back to 50/50. Sons grades did not improve. Also we had an agreement with school to put son in tutoring. In October of 2005 dad and his new wife decided they would put son in behavioral therapy (no behavior issues but new wifes dad was child psychologist) in lieu of therapy. Not only was I not consulted but our son continues to fail in school. My ex would not go back to our agreement so in January 2006 I filed for custody. I have a few questions as I have court in 5 days.

1) I was told by my first attorney (had to get a new attorney because dad rec'd a change of venue) that my separation agreement is not worth the paper it is written on because it was not court ordered. Will a judge really ignore this?

2) My ex has a temp order that he rec'd with the change of venue that has given him more time per week (judge ordered status quo based on what ex said but I have an email from him proving he lied about status quo) so now he has become this controlling dad who tries to limit my contact with the children. He says that it is his time with the kids and I should not call them nor see them at school because it is 'his custodial day'. He won't even let me schedule appointments for them and says he will 'try' to work with my schedule. He bullies me and has threatened to tell them that it is my fault if they miss out on fun things with him during my weekends. He is constantly trying to take away my time. His wife told my oldest that he needed to ask his dad before I could chaperone a school field trip...she didn't know I was on the phone with my son when she was having this conversation with him. How much weight does the judge give thiÅŸ(him trying to limit my communication and time with the kids)

3) Here is my biggest struggle in my case. My oldest really wants to go to school where I live. That is the main reason I filed to begin with. If he was doing well in school I would have never tried to change it. My son also wants to join my fire department (I am a volunteer ff) thru the boy scouts. He will be eligible to apply in August. I am also a paramedic. I work 24 hour shifts. I would be working either 1 or 2 days a week. My parents would be here when the kids get out of school. My parents would also stay the night. They would be available to assist with homework and would maintain the same structure at home as I will have on days I am off. I will have 3 or 4 days a week when I am not working and will be able to have my son go to tutoring. I have yet to find someone who works 24 hour shifts and has fought for custody. Will my son's poor grades and the fact that my parents will be here afterschool b enough to offset my shift work? My ex works a day job and is remarried and they make lots of money!!

4) I just found out this week that dad decided to save a few dollars on the family insurance and picked the cheapest policy available. My children are now basically uninsured because they have already maxed out the family coverage. Ex and his wife make about 180k a year and picked the worst policy possible to save money (the only reason I mention his wife is because she is also on this insurance policy) They go on many vacations and have a house cleaner. Will the judge look negatively at how he prioritizes? Oh and I have been asking for 3 years for an insurance card for the kids and still don't have one. I don't even know who his insuance is with. (He is really controlling!)

I am not trying to be a b&#ch. I just want to reverse the current temp order so I can help my son before he gets to high school. He is way behind on reading and writing. Not to mention he is extremely bad about keeping me informed of extracurricular events and such. He says he is 'forgetful' I have always kept him very informed and even invite him to our church for special events involving the children. How much is my shift work going to hurt my case? Does there need to be a change in circumstances when we have never had a court order except the temp order? Will it look bad that he filed false contempt charges against mèand then dismissed them the day before court? We are both good people overall. Sorry this was so long!!What is the name of your state?
 


LdiJ

Senior Member
YOU NEED AN ATTORNEY.

You don't need us...we can't realistically help you. You need an attorney. However yes, your original attorney didn't lie to you, your original agreement isn't worth the paper it was printed on....sorry.
 

3UofMfans

Member
I have an attorney. Both attorneys have said that it could go either way and that they have never had anyone file for custody who works shifts. I have posted on my firefighter/EMS forum and get the same thing...nobody who has done this. I know I am not the only paramedic to ever file. LOL I only work 9 days a month. I guess I was just hoping to hear someone say I have a good chance. I am just scared to death. I know if the judge does not rule in my favor that my oldest son will have the struggle of his life ahead of him and my ex will become more controlling than he is now. And to top it off my youngest is starting to have problems with grades. I just want to help them so bad but I can't.
 

3UofMfans

Member
One last question...

I have read some advise the senior members have given to step parents about how their interference in parenting matters could hurt their spouse's case. I have court on Wednesday for my first hearing. My attorney and I are going to try approaching this strictly as to what is in the children's best interest and not 'bash' dad. I have had some problems with our boys step mom interfering with very important educational and medical issues. Is it best for me not to mention these? I don't want to come across as being the vindictive ex wife but I also don't want to leave pertinent information out. Lastly, is it best to answer to the judge or the attorney who asks the question?
 

Bloopy

Senior Member
Ask your lawyer to ask for a simple clause "leashing" Wifey.

Since she has no legal rights, it will be granted pretty much no questions asked. You won't need to sling any mud.

If Dad or she pitches a fit, well, they’ll be arguing your case.
 
Don't know if this helps, but I worked the midnight shift and received custody. My X worked swing. I scheduled so that dad had the kids part of the time that I was gone at night working. Saved a ton on babysitters (had to have one while working and then while sleeping.)

I would work the angle of exactly how many hours are parents gone when they work a traditional 40 hours week. Your working 9 days a month probably gives you more face time with the children.

Not sure how far y'all are, but you may want to offer dad the overnight time when you are scheduled to work.
 
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Bloopy

Senior Member
Don't know if this helps, but I worked the midnight shift and received custody. My X worked swing. I scheduled so that dad had the kids part of the time that I was gone at night working. Saved a ton on babysitters (had to have one while working and then while sleeping.)

I would work the angle of exactly how many hours are parents gone when they work a traditional 40 hours week. Your working 9 days a week probably gives you more face time with the children.

Not sure how far y'all are, but you may want to offer dad the overnight time when you are scheduled to work.
I hate saying this because I think you worked out the schedule that is "right" for you family. But for Child Support, it's the overnights that count.

Did Dad agree to it or did you fight for this arrangement?
 

3UofMfans

Member
Don't know if this helps, but I worked the midnight shift and received custody. My X worked swing. I scheduled so that dad had the kids part of the time that I was gone at night working. Saved a ton on babysitters (had to have one while working and then while sleeping.)

I would work the angle of exactly how many hours are parents gone when they work a traditional 40 hours week. Your working 9 days a week probably gives you more face time with the children.

Not sure how far y'all are, but you may want to offer dad the overnight time when you are scheduled to work.
I am a numbers cruncher...I did a sheet to show my attorney. Dad's actual 'awake' time with the kids would almost double and my time would decrease slightly. They would also have more family time and less time either alone or at after school care. It would really help our oldest son. Unfortunately we live about 45 miles apart and their dad is all about his convenience and his wallet. He won't even try to mediate this.
 
I hate saying this because I think you worked out the schedule that is "right" for you family. But for Child Support, it's the overnights that count.

Did Dad agree to it or did you fight for this arrangement?
we compromised. Worked out to the kids having a night sitter, at most, 3 nights per week unless we were both off the weekend. With a rotating shift, that only happened every couple months.

Point I'm making with the OP is that they need a workable parenting plan that works with a paramedic's shift. She has a backup of the parents who can stay with the children. Dad could be part of that plan.

The OP started with a 50/50 split; that is why dad could be a backup on the overnights.
 
I don't know anything about NC laws, but my husband and I are also paramedics. He was the non-custodial parent so as far as it hurting your chances for custody, I don't know, but when it comes to figuring out the weekend visitation, I can tell you we had a nice arrangement. ( We also worked 24 on 48 off)

If he worked Friday, he had Sat 7a- Sun 8p for visitation
If he worked Saturday, mom got that whole weekend.
If he worked Sunday, he has Fri after school to Sat 8p for visitation.

His 'kelly day' fell every 6 weeks on Friday, so he was allowed that full weekend.


I worked the 24 on 48 off shift for many years and am the custodial parent of my two girls from my first marraige, but my ex and I agree and have never been back to court, so that doesn't help you.

As far as his wife, you need to stop her interference now. I don't think you have to go in throwing mud, but I think your attorney should bring up your issues and ask the judge to 'put her in her place'.
 

ProSeDadinMD

Senior Member
.....Childrens dad and I separated in Sept of 2000. We had a separation agreement that was notorized and recorded but was not signed by a judge or court ordered in any way. Separation agreement stated we had joint physical custody..... .... In October of 2005 dad and his new wife decided ....
Are you even divorced?
 

Golfball

Member
YOU NEED AN ATTORNEY.

You don't need us...we can't realistically help you. You need an attorney. However yes, your original attorney didn't lie to you, your original agreement isn't worth the paper it was printed on....sorry.
In NC, it's more common than not to not incorporate separation agreements into divorce decrees.

That being said, if it wasn't drafted properly, it may not be very useful at all.
 

3UofMfans

Member
We are divorced. We did the separation agreement at the time of separation. We just chose not to have it a part of the divorce decree. I had no idea it would cause these problems.

New question for today. We had court yesterday. Dad's attorney made 2 specific allegations that in NO way can be proven because they are absolutely untrue. Will she have to provide evidence or can she just say anything during her opening statement?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
We are divorced. We did the separation agreement at the time of separation. We just chose not to have it a part of the divorce decree. I had no idea it would cause these problems.

New question for today. We had court yesterday. Dad's attorney made 2 specific allegations that in NO way can be proven because they are absolutely untrue. Will she have to provide evidence or can she just say anything during her opening statement?
She can say anything during her opening statement, however she will have to prove it during testimony.
 

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