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tranquility

Senior Member
I'll post one more time in the hope the OP will finally understand. There is little or no chance an attorney will take this on contingency. First, probate is closed. There would be a lot of work to try to get it open again. *YOU* don't seem to want to pay for that work. *YOU* just want to sit and have someone else do the work so you could get some money. Yet, *YOU* call professionals with training and experience liars because they would rather get paid for their work than take a chance on your story.

Second, you've listed no facts for anyone to help determine if there is any chance at all. You fail to recognize that facts get harder and harder to prove as time moves along. People die or forget, bodies need to be dug up both literally and figurativey and some want to move on with their lives and won't cooperate any more. Documents get destroyed and data bases purged. Just because something is true does not make it provably true. As time moves on, it gets more and more expensive to prove something. Another cost factor you want a trained and experienced professional (aka liar) to foot the bill for. All risk is his, you don't want to pay to find out what can be proven.

Third, where's the money you want? Let's face it, that's what you seek, money. Over time it tends to disburse and becomes mingled with other money in a legally tied-up sense. It gets harder and harder to collect, if a suit is warranted, as time passes. Legal entanglements and asset protections make it less and less likely anything can be collected when we're talking about years down the line. Out of who's contingent share of the judgment should this uncollectable amount come from? Yours or the liars? I know, I know, let's split the risk equally! The one who did all of the acutal work should reduce his pay to the same level of the client who merely sat at home and called every day, sometimes twice a day, to "motivate" the liar.

The only way I will pursue this case is if I can find a lawyer who is willing to take it on contingency basis, like an acident case, otherwise, the hell with all the lawyers.
The only way you'll pursue this case? What case? What are you going to do to "pursue" it other than find someone with the specialized knowledge and desire who can? Besides, a client who comes in with the attitude you show in your posts will have to find a very hungry liar to take the case. I don't think you'd get past the receptionist's pre-screeing at our office for fear of an unwarranted malpractice lawsuit for when you lose. And, if you did fool her, you'd still have to get past the intake person and he would have to convence the principal. That's just to keep track of all the money in the suit, paid up front and not under contingency, let alone how an attorney's office would handle it when the person wants free work.

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My goodness. For some reason I looked and found what "suit" the OPs talking about at:
https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=387027

He thinks there is something "fishy" about how his *uncle's* trust was handled five years ago! That's the case! He was so close to the uncle that he did not know the uncle had *died* for over four years, and then only by looking through a social security number data base. He's suspicious because a long lost "nephew" of a client who's estate was distributed in accordiance with the terms of the client's trust five years ago can't seem to get on the phone with the attorney-executor. That's real suspicious, for sure. I'd take that one on contingency, sight unseen. Unlike an accident that I know happened and where I have a client in front of me with obvious injuries, this would be payday-city!
 
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anteater

Senior Member
I'll post one more time in the hope the OP will finally understand. There is little or no chance an attorney will take this on contingency. First, probate is closed. There would be a lot of work to try to get it open again. *YOU* don't seem to want to pay for that work. *YOU* just want to sit and have someone else do the work so you could get some money. Yet, *YOU* call professionals with training and experience liars because they would rather get paid for their work than take a chance on your story.....

Info edit:
My goodness. For some reason I looked and found what "suit" the OPs talking about at:
https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=387027

He thinks there is something "fishy" about how his *uncle's* trust was handled five years ago! That's the case! He was so close to the uncle that he did not know the uncle had *died* for over four years, and then only by looking through a social security number data base. He's suspicious because a long lost "nephew" of a client who's estate was distributed in accordiance with the terms of the client's trust five years ago can't seem to get on the phone with the attorney-executor. That's real suspicious, for sure. I'd take that one on contingency, sight unseen. Unlike an accident that I know happened and where I have a client in front of me with obvious injuries, this would be payday-city!
Now, you might understand some of my snide responses.

Besides, IIRC, the beneficiary was a synagogue. If I were a lawyer, I wouldn't want to mess with Yahweh either!!!
 

tranquility

Senior Member
I wonder if it would be easy to pry loose a few hundred thousand a synagoge inherited five years ago though a trust? I wonder if they could find an attorney who would help them if someone came asking?

"Excuse me, but I just found out my beloved uncle died five years ago. I have nothing in writing and no witnesses saying he left me anything, but do you think you could give me all that money he gave you because, because, umm... well because he must have been crazy to give it to you in the first place?"

"Ah, no."

"I can take a check or cash if you prefer."

"If you don't leave now I'm calling the police."

"But things are very suspicious, no one is talking with me."

"We aren't going to be talking to you from now on either. In fact, as soon as you leave we're going to have one of our many members who are attorneys file a restraining order against you to make sure that if you try to talk with us in the future you will go to jail." (Sarcasm added, I think a restraining order would not be appropriate....yet.)
 

BlondiePB

Senior Member
Good one...

I wonder if it would be easy to pry loose a few hundred thousand a synagoge inherited five years ago though a trust? I wonder if they could find an attorney who would help them if someone came asking?

"Excuse me, but I just found out my beloved uncle died five years ago. I have nothing in writing and no witnesses saying he left me anything, but do you think you could give me all that money he gave you because, because, umm... well because he must have been crazy to give it to you in the first place?"

"Ah, no."

"I can take a check or cash if you prefer."

"If you don't leave now I'm calling the police."

"But things are very suspicious, no one is talking with me."

"We aren't going to be talking to you from now on either. In fact, as soon as you leave we're going to have one of our many members who are attorneys file a restraining order against you to make sure that if you try to talk with us in the future you will go to jail." (Sarcasm added, I think a restraining order would not be appropriate....yet.)
Too funny... :D
 

sweets53

Member
I guess you had to know my uncle and how crazy he was. I don't know what facts you want me to give you though? Myabe you could tell me. I have to be able to get his medical records from the SSA for April 16th 1997, the date the will was drafted, to prove he was a mental case and had no business drafting a will cin the first place. But you would rather criticize and disbelieve me. i guess you find that easier to do. Just like the lawyers who'd rather "relieve" me of 10k just to tell me later, I'm sorry but we need more money to continue with the case. All they or their paralegals would have to do is make a few calls. That's a lot of work according to you. If a lawyer thought it was worthy, he'd be willing to take it on contingency. I'm working my butt off, working with my Congressman to try and get these medical reports. But thanks anyway for your comments.
 

anteater

Senior Member
.... I'm working my butt off....
In other words, you've finished driving the folks at the Fairmark forum batty doing your tax return for you and now there is time on the public library PC to return here.

Lewis,
The Federal offers the disabled exemption which requires filing a Schedule R that is of no use to me since I don't have disability insurance. But the NJ return offers the extra disabled exemption that I can use to reduce taxable income. Can I use the extra disabled exemption on the NJ return while not taking it on the Federal return?
Why not get a real job and actually work your butt off instead of trying to get your mitts on your deceased uncle's dough? Planning to share it with your siblings if you actually succeed?

But thanks anyway for your comments
Anytime, sweetie.
 

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