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JGreen

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Setup for disaster?

What is the name of your state? MS
Ok this is gonna be a little long, but I'm in dire need of some advice.
I'm with my girlfriend of lil over 2 years. We have 2 sons and we rent a place. I work on the road so I'm not home much, and she decides to stay with her family while I"m gone.
In a way I think she is up to something but at the same time I do tend to overreact and am a DEEP thinker.
We cannot afford medical insurance and she gets medicaid and wic for both children. She has worked on and off as a cosmotolegist for the last 2 years. She just recently went back to work and put the kids in daycare. Being that she is new to the shop, her income so far is not even enough to pay for daycare so she is wanting to file for state help. (Yes I support them all, it's just tough right now) She was told in order to recieve help she has to recieve child support. She wants us to set it up in order to do so. I don't like this idea as I feel it is fraud. But my biggest concerns are what I might be setting myself up for if I agree to pay support through the state. She's also been pushing marriage for quite a while now, especially now.(Haven't had the money for that one either)
I feel like I"m walking into a trap. Whether it be getting screwed in child support or visitation or what not.
Even if she gets support, we'll still be living together. I'm afraid if I don't volunteer for support, 10 years down the road we could split and she could get me for back pay even though I support us. Even that my visitation rights would come into effect with all this.
On the other hand if I do volunteer, some odd years down the road she could split and still go to court and ask for backpay(say if I get a raise or something) and I'd be left to prove I paid the bills and supported them the entire time. Kinda like I'd pay support, the bills and everything(what the government doesn't help us out on) and then get screwed for more money dating back for the past so many years.
Am I making any sense here?
I feel the marriage could just be another part of the "plan" I've personally know family members and friends who have been screwed in a similar situation, but they're of no help.
Income tax**************..she wants to claim the kids and get lots of money back and me claim only myself and I"d be screwed with the IRS. She doesn't see it that way.

My boys are my life, I will do everything i can for them and always support them. My biggest concern is visitation. I will not "agree" on any type. I know the courts can and will set it. But I'm a good father and I believe I should see my boys anytime I want as long it's a mutual thing. I know we can do this mutually even if court says I can't see em but 2 days a week, but if the court said that, she'd hold me to it to be a bitty, I "think".
??????
I don't wanna trap myself into paying unfairly either. I really don't know what to do. I've discussed it with her and she says she's not up to anything and would never keep the kids from me. But what are words worth nowadays?
Please help.
 
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JGreen

Junior Member
How would I get a second job while traveling on the road? My work requires me to travel. I cannot make the same amount of money in that town, or any ONE town for that matter.
People like you that are worthless, don't accuse me of anything, unless you wanna meet and talk about it over "coffee".
Thank You but I actually held 3 yes THREE jobs in town, a full time and a part time, I was a salesman by day, worked for a funeral home in the afternoons and mowed lawns for extra cash ALL WEEKEND. So thanks for your benefit of the doubt. I sacrificed my time with the kids to support them and that's fine, but it STILL didn't pay the bills, that's why I'm back on the road. It's better money, and financial problems have steadily came our way.
Wouldn't you think SHE could get a job that payed more than $54 a week???? Maybe like a different profession like the one that was offered to her and she refused it? With her working doing what she loves and I'm doing what I hate and don't get to spend time with my kids, her employment is nothing more than a bill for ME.
And if it makes any difference I have another child by another woman in TX that I currently pay support to. Things didn't work out with her, so here I am supporting 2 families, no that child support does NOT only support that child. She refuses to work and lives off the government as well.
Why should these mothers not be required to work as well?????
And tell me the support enforcement is not biased to the mothers!! They automatically get all the reaps and benefits of a marriage and not having to work while the father is denied by the mother visitation and struggles to support his "new" family.
I don't accuse me of being lazy.
If you read my post correctly, you would've seen that I wasn't crazy about her doing this.
My boys are my life, why would i stay away from them**************...? What reason would I have?
You and people like you disgust me. Don't judge when you don't know all the facts, why don't you be considerate and ASK if I've tried getting a second job.
Playing games, ha!
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Getting married does NOT cost that much money. A marriage license is what -- $40? Good grief. What is the actual reason you dont' want to get married?
 

JGreen

Junior Member
Getting married does NOT cost that much money. A marriage license is what -- $40? Good grief. What is the actual reason you dont' want to get married?
she wants a nice pretty ring and a wedding, that's why she wants to marry. just getting a license is not gonna satisfy her. I don't want to marry until I"m able to give her that. What's the hurry to marry anyway? We're togehter regardless, it's just a piece of paper giving the judge more ability to make me pay alimony or to screw me over for whatever any woman might have up thier sleeve, or any man might have up thier sleeve for that matter.
And I tell you what $40 is alot of money when you live paycheck to paycheck and barely have enough to feed yourself for the week. So why spend the money in the first place, what is a marriage license so desperatly needed for????
Anyway this is all beside the point. I asked a question and you guys are going off in a different direction asking me questions like I did something wrong. Thought this was an advice forum not a judging forum.?
 

Perky

Senior Member
If you're so concerned about being ordered to pay back support in 10 years, then I would think that getting married would be a good way for you to prevent that.
 

JGreen

Junior Member
If you're so concerned about being ordered to pay back support in 10 years, then I would think that getting married would be a good way for you to prevent that.
Good point, thanks. I've thought of that was just unsure. I guess her pressuring it so much is what bothered me. I know women love the whole marriage thing and all and I understand that. I just feel she pushes it a little too far and i'm afraid of us marrying, her leaving and taking everything I have. I've seen too many people in the situation where the wife has left and well just like the country song says, she took the house, car, the kids and the dog. I'm only using that as a comparison.
Thanks again for your reply.
 

2Mistakes

Senior Member
Getting married does NOT cost that much money. A marriage license is what -- $40? Good grief. What is the actual reason you dont' want to get married?
$22. :rolleyes:

Hey OP, cry me a river.

I have full custody of my 3 children from a previous marriage, and only get $300 CS TOTAL for all 3 of them. My wife has full custody of her daughter from a previous marriage. So I have 4 children in my household full-time.

I also have a child in AL and a child in LA, who combined I pay $800 per CS for.

I have a job, my wife has a job. We get NO public assistance. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

So it can be done.
 

MrsK

Senior Member
she wants a nice pretty ring and a wedding, that's why she wants to marry. just getting a license is not gonna satisfy her. I don't want to marry until I"m able to give her that. What's the hurry to marry anyway? We're togehter regardless, it's just a piece of paper giving the judge more ability to make me pay alimony or to screw me over for whatever any woman might have up thier sleeve, or any man might have up thier sleeve for that matter.
And I tell you what $40 is alot of money when you live paycheck to paycheck and barely have enough to feed yourself for the week. So why spend the money in the first place, what is a marriage license so desperatly needed for????
Anyway this is all beside the point. I asked a question and you guys are going off in a different direction asking me questions like I did something wrong. Thought this was an advice forum not a judging forum.?
So if you feel that way about marriage, why even be with her?

I mean you put the cart before the horse with the kids and all, but...

Why is she good enough to screw & make babies with but not good enough for you to give her what she wants? And if its because YOU dont want it, I dont even see the point in dating. I would say its pretty normal for a woman to want to marry & have children with someone she loves...generally most people want that.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
she wants a nice pretty ring and a wedding, that's why she wants to marry. just getting a license is not gonna satisfy her. I don't want to marry until I"m able to give her that. What's the hurry to marry anyway? We're togehter regardless, it's just a piece of paper giving the judge more ability to make me pay alimony or to screw me over for whatever any woman might have up thier sleeve, or any man might have up thier sleeve for that matter.
And I tell you what $40 is alot of money when you live paycheck to paycheck and barely have enough to feed yourself for the week. So why spend the money in the first place, what is a marriage license so desperatly needed for????
Anyway this is all beside the point. I asked a question and you guys are going off in a different direction asking me questions like I did something wrong. Thought this was an advice forum not a judging forum.?
That is an excuse. A wedding has NOTHING to do with marriage. And if you are together regardless -- well I read the rest of this thread and see where you are talking about divorce and paying 10 years of back child support and whta not. Ummm, actually you dont' want to get married because she could lose benefits that help you out.
 

KAMIAKI1

Member
It seems to me there must not be a lot of trust in this relationship. That makes for a long road ahead.
If she wants to work, then she must find a job that pays more than it cost to put the kids indaycare. That is, if she decides not to use state assistance. You will not have a choice if she applies for state assistance. You will be forced to set up child support. Wouldn't the money be coming back to your household anyway? You pay them and they pay her. You two are together right? Then if you split up in the future, you've covered yourself from her going "back in time" and collecting any money from you.
I think you are freaking yourself out. You are not trusting her and that in it self will drive her away.
 
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noobdad

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how would she be able to get you for years of back cs? you've been together supporting them all this time. All she would be able to get (if she decided to go to court) is payments from when she goes to court until your kids are 18. amiright?
 

JGreen

Junior Member
It seems to me there must not be a lot of trust in this relationship. That makes for a long road ahead.
If she wants to work, then she must find a job that pays more than it cost to put the kids indaycare. That is, if she decides not to use state assistance. You will not have a choice if she applies for state assistance. You will be forced to set up child support. Wouldn't the money be coming back to your household anyway? You pay them and they pay her. You two are together right? Then if you split up in the future, you've covered yourself from her going "back in time" and collecting any money from you.
I think you are freaking yourself out. You are not trusting her and that in it self will drive her away.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for such a sensible, and "benefit of the doubt" answer.
You are correct in every way. Trust isn't there**************....she dosen't trust me, why no idea. I don't trust her as much anymore because of her loss of trust in me. She wants everything to do with what SHE can get and that's it. I don't wanna do the daycare assistance because it is fraud. I wanna be around to see my kids.
Thank you again.
 

JGreen

Junior Member
pre-nup

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how would she be able to get you for years of back cs? you've been together supporting them all this time. All she would be able to get (if she decided to go to court) is payments from when she goes to court until your kids are 18. amiright?
She can go to court right now, apply for CS, say I've never been around and being that she's checking the mail, she can trash MY notice of court for CS. Then automatic CS. Even if I fight it I have to prove that we lived together. I work on the road, and am hardly home. But I pay EVERY SINGLE BILL, even though they are in her name.(I was away for work when she got them hooked up) she has a card and I have one to the same account that my direct deposit. I have no PROOF I was living there or suppling the income other than the joint account and the few pieces of mail I"ve recieved there. Now she lost her card and I've been depositing money into HER account for bills, go figure.
 

JGreen

Junior Member
Well as of today we got into it about taxes. I will post a different thread and post a link in this one, in case any of you care to help me understand.
Thanks again for the sensible replies. I'm glad not everyone thinks I'm automatically a deadbeat dad like the "system" does.
 
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